Wolfie Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Do they? Why? I think @Van Wolfie has explained it better above. It doesn't seem credible that having a two tier EU is a specific aim. More likely that the attempts to harmonise the weaker and stronger economies throughout the Eurozone have failed miserably and exacerbated the gap between two tiers. One of the EUs stated aims is to level the economic playing field across member states. Suggesting the opposite is true is just conspiracy theory It is, and why IMO a move to introduce different "speeds" would be too much for some of the poorer countries to stomach. Macron's a big fan though.... https://www.euractiv.com/section/future-eu/news/in-belgium-macron-pleads-for-two-or-three-speed-europe-treaty-change/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Do they? Why? I think @Van Wolfie has explained it better above. It doesn't seem credible that having a two tier EU is a specific aim. More likely that the attempts to harmonise the weaker and stronger economies throughout the Eurozone have failed miserably and exacerbated the gap between two tiers. One of the EUs stated aims is to level the economic playing field across member states. Suggesting the opposite is true is just conspiracy theory I'd have thought someone who wants to remain would be aware of this common knowledge. Honestly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Don't think it collapsed overnight. Maybe it'll go today. Must be due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 36 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said: It is, and why IMO a move to introduce different "speeds" would be too much for some of the poorer countries to stomach. Macron's a big fan though.... https://www.euractiv.com/section/future-eu/news/in-belgium-macron-pleads-for-two-or-three-speed-europe-treaty-change/ Ah OK - I thought when he said "EU Leaders" he meant Tusk, Juncker, Sassoli etc If he meant the leaders of the EU member states then that's fair enough. But also irrelevant - as we know, the individual member states have absolutely no control over what the EU does. They are just helpless puppets at the mercy of the unelected bureaucratic EU institution right? That's why we're leaving right? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ram for All Seasons Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 59 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said: It is, and why IMO a move to introduce different "speeds" would be too much for some of the poorer countries to stomach. Macron's a big fan though.... https://www.euractiv.com/section/future-eu/news/in-belgium-macron-pleads-for-two-or-three-speed-europe-treaty-change/ Traditionally, states have made their economies more competitive by devaluing their currencies to make their goods more attractive. Countries such as Greece, Italy and Spain have been unable to compete against German industry because they all share the same currency. The only way to become more competitive is to cut costs and lower social standards, as we have seen in Greece especially, hence the idea of "different speeds". The Tories have announced their intention to make Britain more competitive by making it into a low-tax, low-regulation sweatshop by abolishing quality standards for goods, taking away workers’ rights, and introducing even more austerity measures. The paradox is that, if Britain crashes out of its current free trade deal with the EU, the EU can protect its internal economy after Brexit simply by increasing tariffs or putting up other barriers to trade with Britain. All that poverty and suffering will have been in vain. The advantage of Brexit for people like Rees-Mogg is that they can stash their gains from their Irish (EU) hedge funds in British-controlled tax havens, which will no longer be subject to EU directives, in order to dodge making their contributions to building schools and hospitals, etc. Who needs schools when you've got Eton College? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I get that the Parliamentary suspension hearing is important but why on earth are BBC covering it live?. Most boring thing ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 hours ago, McRamFan said: Yes there is, let Eire become one united country. Remove the Unionists, that where exported over there in the first place, and give the land back to the people that where originally disposed (polite word for murdered). Yep, quite right and let's make sure that the same happens to Australia, South Africa, and USA as well. Not quite sure where you propose to remove (repatriate) people to though.A certain Austrian bloke had a similar approachto yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ram for All Seasons Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said: I get that the Parliamentary suspension hearing is important but why on earth are BBC covering it live?. Most boring thing ever. That's probably what the Germans said when the Reichstag was suspended in 1933 You could watch ITV instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 42 minutes ago, A Ram for All Seasons said: That's probably what the Germans said when the Reichstag was suspended in 1933 You could watch ITV instead. Goring set fire to the Reichstag, to stop any opposition to his party. Maybe Rees-Mogg or Govs could do the same to Parliament, so Johnson can achieve his aim of delivering a hard brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Uptherams said: I think you've proven my point with low effort on my part ? We’re at cross purposes then as you proved my point about how the balance has shifted to the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 53 minutes ago, A Ram for All Seasons said: That's probably what the Germans said when the Reichstag was suspended in 1933 Not sure they had 24hr BBC News channel then. 53 minutes ago, A Ram for All Seasons said: You could watch ITV instead. Are you calling me common? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteHorseRam Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 17 hours ago, GboroRam said: The entire EU budget is not even 1/10th of German's national budget / public spending. The UK's contribution to the EU budget would not even make up 0.03% of Germany's budget. Holy Moly … if the Germans figure out how rich they actually are, and start buying panzers and dive bombers again, we could well be in pooh strasse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said: We’re at cross purposes then as you proved my point about how the balance has shifted to the right. Depends what time frame you're looking at. From the 90s to fairly recently, the Labour party in the UK has shifted further left definitely. Between the 50s and the 90s, the Labour Party moved radically towards the centre-right ground (and out-conservative'd the conservatives occasionally). I think the left have partially reclaimed the left and centre ground given up by Blairites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Journalism and the Sun rag, it can't be called a newspaper, parted ways many years ago. What they printed on their front page today, shows the depth they will sink to. Instead of telling their readers the real issues of the day. Like how our Prime Minister refused to attend a press conference with the PM of Luxembourg, for fear of being shown up as a fraud and liar regarding how the leave negotiations are going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ram for All Seasons Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, WhiteHorseRam said: Holy Moly … if the Germans figure out how rich they actually are, and start buying panzers and dive bombers again, we could well be in pooh strasse. They didn't get rich by buying panzers and dive bombers. They got rich by making them and selling them to other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 35 minutes ago, 1of4 said: Journalism and the Sun rag, it can't be called a newspaper, parted ways many years ago. What they printed on their front page today, shows the depth they will sink to. Instead of telling their readers the real issues of the day. Like how our Prime Minister refused to attend a press conference with the PM of Luxembourg, for fear of being shown up as a fraud and liar regarding how the leave negotiations are going. Haven't seen it and the website is blocked (as softcore porn, honestly) at work. You'll have to tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Van Wolfie said: I get that the Parliamentary suspension hearing is important but why on earth are BBC covering it live?. Most boring thing ever. 4.4m hits today on the supreme court web stream, compared with 20,000 per month normally. It's captured some imaginations. Or the Russian bots are hitting it as an attempted DDOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, GboroRam said: 4.4m hits today on the supreme court web stream, compared with 20,000 per month normally. 20,000 hits in a normal month still sounds a heck of a lot for something so inherently boring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Haven't seen it and the website is blocked (as softcore porn, honestly) at work. You'll have to tell me. Me neither but I assume it's this Ben Stokes thing? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49726913 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, GboroRam said: 4.4m hits today on the supreme court web stream, compared with 20,000 per month normally. It's captured some imaginations. Or the Russian bots are hitting it as an attempted DDOS. 2 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: 20,000 hits in a normal month still sounds a heck of a lot for something so inherently boring! I wonder how many of those 4.4m lasted longer than 5 minutes actually watching the dry procedural drone though?. Or did they think "Bugger me this is dull, I'm off outside for a smoke in the sunshine" as I did. I'll wait for the highlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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