jimbo jones Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: Huddlestone should be able to do that - played at a higher level than Bradley for longer. Providing more affordable terms can be sorted (and he agrees to get all his teeth extracted), I would extend Johnsons' contract by a year. Bryson has been good for us since he arrived but because of how Lampard is trying to set up how we play, his effectiveness is nowhere near what it was when Martin was the hold-up striker so, sad though I'd be, let him go. Also frees up a place in the squad for one of the young guns. He could do. He could also be sold, which wouldn’t surprise me. To be fair, I’d rather keep Johnson myself, but it’s pretty clear Lampard likes Bryson, perhaps it’s a dressing room influence thing? I don’t know, we don’t see any of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 I'm more than happy for him to stay if the contract is right and would be very happy if he moved into the fitness side of coaching with us at the end of the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 hour ago, StivePesley said: Is it me or does it make no sense to offer him a new deal should we get promoted?? Is he a Premier League standard player (at this stage of his career)? For me this is the PERFECT time to offer him a contract. Say what you want about Bryson and Johnson, they have helped Derby achieve 6th place and could still help us get promoted. If we stay down and we retain the pair on reduced wages then great, if we go up and end up paying them both 15k a week to sit in the stands I bet Mel Morris would pay the money with a smile on his face. Plus clubs would snap our hands off to loan the pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Personally I’d rather put the money towards a Tom Baylis or Marcus Maddison. Someone younger who has the potential to improve both in football and financial terms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 I love the guy, but he may well become a reason to why Sibley or Bird aren't seeing as much game time as we should be providing them. It becomes easier to play experienced players over younger ones in situations. Shinnie signing makes sense. He's a different player to anything else we have. He's, by all accounts, a Eustace MK2. He's not someone we've signed because of his technical ability, rather his ability to win the ball and move play on. Bryson, I think, would be much better suited to a move back north. He's got enough in the tank, but at this point it's not what either of us need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 42 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: For me this is the PERFECT time to offer him a contract. Say what you want about Bryson and Johnson, they have helped Derby achieve 6th place and could still help us get promoted. If we stay down and we retain the pair on reduced wages then great, if we go up and end up paying them both 15k a week to sit in the stands I bet Mel Morris would pay the money with a smile on his face. Plus clubs would snap our hands off to loan the pair. 18 month contracts and sell them in January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Bob Gnarly said: Whilst these are true, 3/4 decent games from a player a season isn't the standard that we should be looking at. particularly if said matches come against opposition such as Bolton. Would rather us look elsewhere if im honest. I said 3/4 great games - He's been decent in every game he's played People seem to have this misunderstanding that Bryson is some kind of goalscoring superstar - He isn't - He's a hard working engine for the team - He's the guy who makes space for everyone else, always available for a pass, sweeps onto the ball if it bobbles clear of other people - He's a terrier for the team - I've said before he must be a joy to play with He plays well when the team plays well - But he's not a guy who's going to turn games for us on his own - Not every player can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 2 hours ago, StivePesley said: Is it me or does it make no sense to offer him a new deal should we get promoted?? Is he a Premier League standard player (at this stage of his career)? It's arguable whether or not he was Premier League standard in his best days. Surely we've just signed his replacement in Shinnie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Assuming the following aren't here next season, we have 73 starts and 7 sub apps to make up for Mount - 35 Huddlestone - 21 + 3 sub Wilson - 12 + 1 sub Ledley - 3 + 1 sub King - 2 + 2 sub Other CMs used this season: Bryson - 25 + 3 sub Johnson - 22 + 6 sub Holmes - 11 + up to 8 sub Evans - 6 + 3 sub Bird - 1 + 3 sub Shinnie replaces Huddlestone's contribution. Holmes to pick up Wilson's contribution. Evans and Bird to cover for the games played by Ledley, King and a lowered contribution from Bryson. That leaves us with 1 top signing to replace Mount as well as youths to step in for the rare game. That would give us something like Johnson - 15-25 apps Shinnie - 20-30 apps Evans - 15-20 apps Bird - 10-15 apps Bryson - 15-20 apps Holmes - 20-30 apps New - 30-40 apps Youth - 1-10 apps In summary, Bryson staying makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsFan10 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 3 hours ago, jimbo jones said: An old head to mentor Sibley to come through the first team? Sounds good to me if the wages aren’t to high. With England's best ever central midfielder as manager surely we don't need Bryson for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsFan10 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 If we stay down then it may be sensible to keep him around for numbers, but if we want to be improving the squad this seems like a step sideways rather than forward. IF we go up then it really would be a waste of time, but a waste of time we could comfortably afford. Love the man to bits but surely its an area we should seek to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valleyram Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 bottom line is lampard rates him , and played in the same area of the pitch so that should be good enough reason for him to stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said: Assuming the following aren't here next season, we have 73 starts and 7 sub apps to make up for Mount - 35 Huddlestone - 21 + 3 sub Wilson - 12 + 1 sub Ledley - 3 + 1 sub King - 2 + 2 sub Other CMs used this season: Bryson - 25 + 3 sub Johnson - 22 + 6 sub Holmes - 11 + up to 8 sub Evans - 6 + 3 sub Bird - 1 + 3 sub Shinnie replaces Huddlestone's contribution. Holmes to pick up Wilson's contribution. Evans and Bird to cover for the games played by Ledley, King and a lowered contribution from Bryson. That leaves us with 1 top signing to replace Mount as well as youths to step in for the rare game. That would give us something like Johnson - 15-25 apps Shinnie - 20-30 apps Evans - 15-20 apps Bird - 10-15 apps Bryson - 15-20 apps Holmes - 20-30 apps New - 30-40 apps Youth - 1-10 apps In summary, Bryson staying makes sense It would except Huddlestone had a year extra on his deal triggered recently so for the time being he needs to be moved to the "staying" pile as he has another 12 months with us. If Huddlestone and Bryson both stay, it would be hard to see them offering Johnson a new deal, even though in my opinion he has been the most effective of the three and has played a crucial part in the run in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, VulcanRam said: It would except Huddlestone had a year extra on his deal triggered recently so for the time being he needs to be moved to the "staying" pile as he has another 12 months with us. If Huddlestone and Bryson both stay, it would be hard to see them offering Johnson a new deal, even though in my opinion he has been the most effective of the three and has played a crucial part in the run in. I believe we're looking to offload Huddlestone in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo jones Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 58 minutes ago, RamsFan10 said: With England's best ever central midfielder as manager surely we don't need Bryson for that reason. The relationship between player and player and player and manager are not the same. I’m sure Frank has a lot on his plate and will need a bit of help in areas such as this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Interesting if true. I had assumed he would probably let go with Shinnie coming in. Bryson’s been a good player for us and I’d have no problem with him staying on (on a lower wage) to fill in as a squad player next season. The problem comes if we were promoted, he wouldn’t be getting many games in the Prem we could afford to carry him, but would he prefer to be playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 You need a few patriarchs to show the sprogs the ropes. would have been an ideal mentor for Junior Bryson (below) but we might be too late to the party now Junior is being linked with liverpool, everton, spurs and the mighty Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, RamNut said: You need a few patriarchs to show the sprogs the ropes. would have been an ideal mentor for Junior Bryson (below) but we might be too late to the party now Junior is being linked with liverpool, everton, spurs and the mighty Leeds. Out of interest, have you watched Bayliss play? I've watched him three times this season (over 90 minutes) and wasn't massively impressed on any occasion. Thomas looked a level above him on each occasion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 23 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said: Out of interest, have you watched Bayliss play? I've watched him three times this season (over 90 minutes) and wasn't massively impressed on any occasion. Thomas looked a level above him on each occasion! Yeah, I’ve watched a few games and thought the same. Coventry fans certainly aren’t as high on him this season as they were last either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 4 hours ago, VulcanRam said: It would except Huddlestone had a year extra on his deal triggered recently so for the time being he needs to be moved to the "staying" pile as he has another 12 months with us. If Huddlestone and Bryson both stay, it would be hard to see them offering Johnson a new deal, even though in my opinion he has been the most effective of the three and has played a crucial part in the run in. All three have contributed in their various levels and in terms of Bryson and Johnson they would both get a decent contract elsewhere but they are also sensible enough to know it will never be as good as at Derby and if the manager wants them so be it but they have been on extremely good money and the offer to them would be sensible money that we could afford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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