Sexydadbod Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Just now, Bris Vegas said: I think City have shown, against Spurs especially, how they can also cut you to ribbons if you press and commit too many men forward. The pace in which they can attack can leave you so exposed at the back. I agree in that Walker, Sterling, Mangala and even Aguero can be forced into giving the ball away cheaply, but do you risk abondoning defensive shape in order to hunt those players in packs of two or three? Otamendi looks really comfortable on the ball, and his game has reached a whole new level under Guardiola. To hurt City you ideally need a midfielder who can drop balls in behind Walker/Delph for fast forward players to latch onto. Get quicker players one on one with the centre-backs to try and stretch them on the counter. I've not seen many teams really try and play this way. Going with a lone forward who lacks pace is playing right into City's hands. Shaktar are the only team this season who have exploited City's lack of pace in the side and it worked for them in the end. Whilst Napoli's approach was to go head to head against them and for the majority of both ties worked, their best success game when they utilised Insigne and Callejon by keeping them very wide to stretch the centre back as you said. Liverpool were pressing Man City really hard at the etihad and were giving them a good game before Mane's red card ruined the game for me(although it was the right decision). Despite Liverpool's perceived poor defence, they have one of the best home defensive records in the league. Klopp won't be pragmatic like other managers in the league and won't be scared. It should be a good game because it could be any score for either side. Arsenal also did well against Man City earlier this season and Wenger tends to do allright against Guardiola sides at home. Arsenal are a funny team but if they're on their game, they could beat City. They will need to flood the midfield area though and give Ozil a free role in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Bris Vegas said: I think City have shown, against Spurs especially, how they can also cut you to ribbons if you press and commit too many men forward. The pace in which they can attack can leave you so exposed at the back. I agree in that Walker, Sterling, Mangala and even Aguero can be forced into giving the ball away cheaply, but do you risk abondoning defensive shape in order to hunt those players in packs of two or three? Otamendi looks really comfortable on the ball, and his game has reached a whole new level under Guardiola. To hurt City you ideally need a midfielder who can drop balls in behind Walker/Delph for fast forward players to latch onto. Get quicker players one on one with the centre-backs to try and stretch them on the counter. I've not seen many teams really try and play this way. Going with a lone forward who lacks pace is playing right into City's hands. Sounds like Derby are the only team who could hurt City with Hudds hitting Weimann and Vydra breaking from deep with pace and purpose. No doubt we’ll find out in later rounds of the Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 On 12/27/2017 at 17:19, McLovin said: Shaktar are the only team this season who have exploited City's lack of pace in the side and it worked for them in the end. Whilst Napoli's approach was to go head to head against them and for the majority of both ties worked, their best success game when they utilised Insigne and Callejon by keeping them very wide to stretch the centre back as you said. Liverpool were pressing Man City really hard at the etihad and were giving them a good game before Mane's red card ruined the game for me(although it was the right decision). Despite Liverpool's perceived poor defence, they have one of the best home defensive records in the league. Klopp won't be pragmatic like other managers in the league and won't be scared. It should be a good game because it could be any score for either side. Arsenal also did well against Man City earlier this season and Wenger tends to do allright against Guardiola sides at home. Arsenal are a funny team but if they're on their game, they could beat City. They will need to flood the midfield area though and give Ozil a free role in the game. Let’s get this right. Shaktar best a not full strength city team that had already qualified as group winners...and City beat Napoli home and away..... Everyone says how amazing Liverpool are going forward....have you seen that City have got 15 more goals than them already.!? as for losing at Arsenal....did you see the Liverpool game.!??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 first real sign of a wobble. One rubbish penalty away from a surprising, but deserved defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, Moist One said: first real sign of a wobble. One rubbish penalty away from a surprising, but deserved defeat. Palace didn’t deserve to win. The penalty was their only shot on target in the whole game. A draw was fair. I think for City, the injuries to KDB and Jesus will be of more concern while Leroy Sane’s form has dipped. They’ve missed David Silva too. Could be that their upcoming game against Watford sees them miss their two most influential players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted December 31, 2017 Author Share Posted December 31, 2017 Great result for City. An afternoon stroll for them really. Ederson had nothing to do until stoppage time when he produced the save of the decade. 17 games away from immortality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 33 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Palace didn’t deserve to win. The penalty was their only shot on target in the whole game. AND? How many shots did Man City have? If Palace had won, nobody would've said they didn't deserve it. They affected Man City's performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWC1983 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I was listening to a podcast called the Stand hosted by Eamon Dunphy. He had Paul Kimmage, ex cyclist now journalist, talking about team Sky / Lance Armstrong / Wiggins / Frome and doping in cycling. At the end of the podcast they discussed how rugby and in particular football authorities do not have the rigerous testing or the will for testing that cycling has. Straight away Kimmage pointed towards Pep twice testing positive in Brescia while playing, and under his managerial stint in Manchester there has been 3 instances of City being found guilty of breaking the doping rules. He said that although theyve been fined a total of £50k, its not enough for clubs to take an anti doping stance seriously. He's astounded that the football journalists havnt brought up the subject at press conferences, but understands that certain football clubs wield a lot of power. In Athletics and cycling if someone shows vastly superior performances from one season to the next there's automatically a degree of suspicion. In football it's regarded as brilliant coaching..... Interesting stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Moist One said: AND? How many shots did Man City have? If Palace had won, nobody would've said they didn't deserve it. They affected Man City's performance. By the same token, if City had won nobody would have said they wouldn’t have deserved it. They had more shots, more chances created and worked the opposition goalkeepe more. Palace did a great job, being the underdog, in restricting City but I don’t know how that means you deserve to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 1 hour ago, CWC1983 said: I was listening to a podcast called the Stand hosted by Eamon Dunphy. He had Paul Kimmage, ex cyclist now journalist, talking about team Sky / Lance Armstrong / Wiggins / Frome and doping in cycling. At the end of the podcast they discussed how rugby and in particular football authorities do not have the rigerous testing or the will for testing that cycling has. Straight away Kimmage pointed towards Pep twice testing positive in Brescia while playing, and under his managerial stint in Manchester there has been 3 instances of City being found guilty of breaking the doping rules. He said that although theyve been fined a total of £50k, its not enough for clubs to take an anti doping stance seriously. He's astounded that the football journalists havnt brought up the subject at press conferences, but understands that certain football clubs wield a lot of power. In Athletics and cycling if someone shows vastly superior performances from one season to the next there's automatically a degree of suspicion. In football it's regarded as brilliant coaching..... Interesting stuff Cleared of all charges in 2007 on appeal, and again in 2009 after the case was re-opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWC1983 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 16 minutes ago, needles said: Cleared of all charges in 2007 on appeal, and again in 2009 after the case was re-opened. They cleared him because they couldn't retest the samples, not because he proved his readings were false or due to natural occurrence. The WADA chief said the chances the tests were incorrect were 1 in 10,000. Similar failed tests happened to Barcelona players around the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Just now, CWC1983 said: They cleared him because they couldn't retest the samples, not because he proved his readings were false or due to natural occurrence. The WADA chief said the chances the tests were incorrect were 1 in 10,000. Similar failed tests happened to Barcelona players around the time. Interesting then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 On 31.12.2017 at 18:42, CWC1983 said: They cleared him because they couldn't retest the samples, not because he proved his readings were false or due to natural occurrence. The WADA chief said the chances the tests were incorrect were 1 in 10,000. Similar failed tests happened to Barcelona players around the time. And just imagine why Olympics ban Russians from the games and FIFA is bringing the game to their backyard... Must have something to do with their peaceful fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 On 31/12/2017 at 15:08, CWC1983 said: I was listening to a podcast called the Stand hosted by Eamon Dunphy. He had Paul Kimmage, ex cyclist now journalist, talking about team Sky / Lance Armstrong / Wiggins / Frome and doping in cycling. At the end of the podcast they discussed how rugby and in particular football authorities do not have the rigerous testing or the will for testing that cycling has. Straight away Kimmage pointed towards Pep twice testing positive in Brescia while playing, and under his managerial stint in Manchester there has been 3 instances of City being found guilty of breaking the doping rules. He said that although theyve been fined a total of £50k, its not enough for clubs to take an anti doping stance seriously. He's astounded that the football journalists havnt brought up the subject at press conferences, but understands that certain football clubs wield a lot of power. In Athletics and cycling if someone shows vastly superior performances from one season to the next there's automatically a degree of suspicion. In football it's regarded as brilliant coaching..... Interesting stuff I really wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a widespread thing in football. One player gets tested randomly from each team a game don’t they? I’ve seen a pair of professional footballers with their jaws swinging whilst they were out injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Man City deserve huge respect for their Alexis Sanchez stance. They’re refusing to overpay for a player who in six months is out of contract, they’re refusing his agent’s request of £10million and they’re refusing to agree to his astronomical wage demands which would make him their top earner. Man Utd on the other hand are seemingly set to agree on all terms. Desperate or what! Sanchez also deserves criticism. Why leave Arsenal for United? Wait six months and lower your wage demands and you get your preferred move to City. The fact he’s basically set to join United can only be for financial reasons. Like he actually needs more! Sanchez joining United will also restrict Rashford more. It’s a terrible deal for football all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I'm sorry Bris but putting Man City and "refusing to overpay" in the same sentence is just a tiny, little, minuscule bit ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Man City deserve huge respect for their Alexis Sanchez stance. They’re refusing to overpay for a player who in six months is out of contract, they’re refusing his agent’s request of £10million and they’re refusing to agree to his astronomical wage demands which would make him their top earner. Man Utd on the other hand are seemingly set to agree on all terms. Desperate or what! Sanchez also deserves criticism. Why leave Arsenal for United? Wait six months and lower your wage demands and you get your preferred move to City. The fact he’s basically set to join United can only be for financial reasons. Like he actually needs more! Sanchez joining United will also restrict Rashford more. It’s a terrible deal for football all round. Or maybe after spending £225m in the summer they realise they need to reign their spending in a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Bris Vegas said: Man City deserve huge respect for their Alexis Sanchez stance. They’re refusing to overpay for a player who in six months is out of contract, they’re refusing his agent’s request of £10million and they’re refusing to agree to his astronomical wage demands which would make him their top earner. Man Utd on the other hand are seemingly set to agree on all terms. Desperate or what! Sanchez also deserves criticism. Why leave Arsenal for United? Wait six months and lower your wage demands and you get your preferred move to City. The fact he’s basically set to join United can only be for financial reasons. Like he actually needs more! Sanchez joining United will also restrict Rashford more. It’s a terrible deal for football all round. 4 But it is understood that, if an agreement can be reached with Arsenal, the deal will be a straight player swap and will not include United paying a transfer fee for Sanchez. Mkhitaryan has fallen out of favour at Old Trafford, starting only one Premier League game in over two months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Andicis Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Bris Vegas said: Sanchez joining United will also restrict Rashford more. It’s a terrible deal for football all round. Has Rashford actually been getting any better recently? I think he has been stagnating, he was woeful vs Derby, and from the games I've watched Man Utd in this year, he hasn't overly impressed me. A touch overrated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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