i-Ram Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 14 hours ago, Andicis said: Odd, unless there is other interest in him. Not odd if Wenger is saying (say) £5m take it all leave it, and Rowett only wants to pay (say) £2m. I should imagine that is more likely the scenario that Pat Murphy is referring to as to Arsenal not negotiating. If we are interested l suspect this is one that will go to the last few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just wondering if Toral is a player that we need at the minute, we have a pretty stacked squad as it is. Do we really need another player that is still a gamble at this level , never really nailed down a starting place wherever he has been and the price seems to keep going up and up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Willow Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 11 minutes ago, Mr Giggles said: Do we really need another player that is still a gamble at this level , never really nailed down a starting place wherever he has been and the price seems to keep going up and up. A gamble at this level, you're saying? He has played 70 matches, scoring 14 goals and assisting 6 goals in the Championship. He also won Birmingham City Supporter’s Player of the Season award, Player’s Player of the Season award and Young Player of the Season award during 2015/16 campaign. https://www.bcfc.com/news/articles/2016/jon-toral-nets-a-hat-trick-at-end-of-season-awards/ It's hardly a gamble, I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, lioncoeur said: A gamble at this level, you're saying? He has played 70 matches, scoring 14 goals and assisting 6 goals in the Championship. He also won Birmingham City Supporter’s Player of the Season award, Player’s Player of the Season award and Young Player of the Season award during 2015/16 campaign. https://www.bcfc.com/news/articles/2016/jon-toral-nets-a-hat-trick-at-end-of-season-awards/ It's hardly a gamble, I'd say. I see where you are coming from. But is this just another case of us getting a player in based on form from one season? Look where that got us with certain other signings. Not to mention any names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsPolls Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Would be surprised to see us go for Toral after Vydra's performance last night. They both play in that number 10 role very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, lioncoeur said: He also won Birmingham City Supporter’s Player of the Season award, Player’s Player of the Season award and Young Player of the Season award during 2015/16 campaign. If people argue Bryson isn't good anymore because he hasn't shown the 13/14 form then quoting a good season 2 years ago isn't evidence 5 minutes ago, Mr Giggles said: But is this just another case of us getting a player in based on form from one season? Look where that got us with certain other signings. Not to mention any names. Tom Lawrence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EulogyForEvolution Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, RamsPolls said: Would be surprised to see us go for Toral after Vydra's performance last night. They both play in that number 10 role very well. I think Toral would be a good option for us. He can also play deep and has been used on the wings in the past. A bit more ability on the ball and some flair would do this side some good. Rowett knows what he can do, so I'd back him to be a success if he wants him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papahet Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Wouldn't be against selling Bryson and Butterfield to make room for Toral and Damien Johnson. IMO better players amazed nobody is in for Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, EulogyForEvolution said: I think Toral would be a good option for us. He can also play deep and has been used on the wings in the past. A bit more ability on the ball and some flair would do this side some good. Rowett knows what he can do, so I'd back him to be a success if he wants him. Outrageous thing for a Derby fan to say. Wash your mouth out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Papahet said: Wouldn't be against selling Bryson and Butterfield to make room for Toral and Damien Johnson. IMO better players amazed nobody is in for Johnson Any chance you mean Preston's Daniel Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsPolls Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 14 minutes ago, Papahet said: Wouldn't be against selling Bryson and Butterfield to make room for Toral and Damien Johnson. IMO better players amazed nobody is in for Johnson Damien Johnson? The retired 38 year old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Willow Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, cheron85 said: If people argue Bryson isn't good anymore because he hasn't shown the 13/14 form then quoting a good season 2 years ago isn't evidence You've got a reason, but Jon Toral is only 22 years old and Craig Bryson is 30 years old. The year of the production and the mileage are the things you are looking at when buying a used car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, RamsPolls said: Damien Johnson? The retired 38 year old Seems like our sort of signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Willow Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 36 minutes ago, Mr Giggles said: But is this just another case of us getting a player in based on form from one season? He actually already performed for several seasons with various degrees of success by playing in different leagues at different levels in different positions at the pitch. It's something which should be regarded upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 33 minutes ago, lioncoeur said: You've got a reason, but Jon Toral is only 22 years old and Craig Bryson is 30 years old. The year of the production and the mileage are the things you are looking at when buying a used car. I'm pro-Toral BTW - Trained at Barcelona and Arsenal - Doesn't seem to be ready to step up into the Arsenal squad - Exactly the kind of player I've been advocating we go after Also can't be bothered to keep up the Bryson defence in yet another thead (He's barely had any game time!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollycutts1982 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, cheron85 said: I'm pro-Toral BTW - Trained at Barcelona and Arsenal - Doesn't seem to be ready to step up into the Arsenal squad - Exactly the kind of player I've been advocating we go after Also can't be bothered to keep up the Bryson defence in yet another thead (He's barely had any game time!!!) Bryson was unlucky last night as if we'd stick to the same formation he'd of been a shoe-in. Did well sat and last night when he came on. I don't know whether that says more about him or the performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, ollycutts1982 said: Bryson was unlucky last night as if we'd stick to the same formation he'd of been a shoe-in. Did well sat and last night when he came on. I don't know whether that says more about him or the performance. Did he? Didn't do anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, ollycutts1982 said: Bryson was unlucky last night as if we'd stick to the same formation he'd of been a shoe-in. Did well sat and last night when he came on. I don't know whether that says more about him or the performance. Bit of both I wouldn't play him in a 4-2-3-1 but he'd be first on the teamsheet in a 4-3-3 for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Think this thread is getting slightly off topic now Unless Toral is related to Bryson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waffle Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 The fact Pat Murphy suggested Derby have tried to negotiate indicates he's a player we could be interested in. Rowett obviously isn't set to one formation and would probably consider 2 up front ie Vydra and Nugent with someone (Toral) sat behind and Lawrence on the wing. Lawrence can also play this number ten role however I think he's going to be utilised on the left with the more defensive Forsyth behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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