Andicis Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Russell plays better with Martin to play off of. Russell's best performances came from playing with a fully fit and firing Chrissy Martin, and if all of a sudden next year Russell looks better it will be no coincidence. Russell has been getting a lot of flack recently, but does anyone know what is going on behind the scenes? Maybe there is a reason? I can't speculate, but Russell in the past has been one of the best wingers in the league, so why not keep with him and give him a chance to prove himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papahet Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 24 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said: 2015/16 stats didnt see any of them in the top 10, but oh look Johnny is there!! Freddie Sears created more goals in a piss poor Ipswich side, get a grip and calm it down fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papahet Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 1 hour ago, cannable said: Would they? They're all ball to feet, look to make something happen types of player. Thats not such a bad thing. We need players who want to create something, out of nothing. Ibe is the perfect example of a player who wanted to do something (exciting) with the football. The Reading and Watford goals he scored is the type of player we need out wide. Quick feet, Powerful and confident. Even when he was anonymous, you knew he would come up with something in the game. Russell's more about making runs, stretching teams and receiving the ball in the areas were he can either score or assist. Russell can't score nor assist at present In terms of actual productivity; Ibe, Jota, McGeady, Kightly and Marshall have never gotten anywhere near Russell's second best season for us. Ibe was 18 and looked a class above Russell before he was recalled. Jota hit double figures in his debut season in England, on course for doing it again this term - i'd take them both in a heartbeat. Knockaert's best ever Championship output before this season was 9 goals and 7 assists, which still isn't as good as Johnny's second best season with us....Blimey, He is arguably the best winger in the division and twice the player Johnny is or ever will be . He's shown enough in the past to warrant another half a season worth of patience, hopefully with a balanced attack. - Questionable. You can't stick with the same "failed" individuals for eternity. At what point do you think, "right, these aren't going to get us promotion lets change it?" Bryson and Russell are victims of their 13/14 form and folk still to this day believe they'll come good. One hasn't done much since his nice little 5 year contract and the other is soley judged on his effort, work rate or what he did in previous seasons. Those two won't get us out this division, the standard is alot higher since 13/14, 14/15. Aim higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Papahet said: 13/14 was Russell's second worst season for us. While Ibe was here Johnny outscored him by two goals and seven assists. You need runners at this level of football and in turn they need footballers to play off. Johnny's a runner. Sometimes you just have to look past performances and accept that for all their faults a player will still produce in the right conditions. Take Andre Gray, his finishing's inconsistent and his touch is **** but he still manages to bag for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 6 hours ago, Papahet said: It's just an excuse to cover up the fact he's had yet another poor season for us. Word for word he said pretty much the same last season (http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/derby-county-i-had-a-really-poor-season-admits-rams-forward-johnny-russell/story-29465435-detail/story.html). It's become boring hearing the same old from players, "lack of consistency", "need to improve" - Him and Bryson have come out with the same excuses for the past two years now. Very confused how a player coming out and effectively saying he has no excuses for the way he's been playing is being accused of covering up his performances with excuses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Russell gets in the team because he is better than lots of others, end of story really but some on here just want to see good players go just like Hendrick who we replaced with poorer in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papahet Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 11 minutes ago, cannable said: 13/14 was Russell's second worst season for us. While Ibe was here Johnny outscored him by two goals and seven assists. You need runners at this level of football and in turn they need footballers to play off. Johnny's a runner. Sometimes you just have to look past performances and accept that for all their faults a player will still produce in the right conditions. Take Andre Gray, his finishing's inconsistent and his touch is **** but he still manages to bag for fun. What's the point in being a runner if you can't do anything with a football? He very rarely produces. Whilst you have mentioned what he did in previous seasons, but not a word of all the games/minutes he's featured this season? hmmm. He's almost 27, he should be hitting the form of his life. He's gone backwards and it's happened since the 13/14 season. The assist chart from last season, sure there's Johnny Russell(!). Freddie Sears had more assist's last season than JR, does that mean He is more of a creative threat than Russell today? Means nowt to me. Doesn't mean they are top players, I'd personally have neither at DCFC His finishing is abysmal, his decision making? pffft. He's too predictable with a football and he's coming out with the same predictable material in the media. Someone bid's 3 million and we get Jota for free, it'll be a masterstroke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papahet Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 19 minutes ago, Duracell said: Very confused how a player coming out and effectively saying he has no excuses for the way he's been playing is being accused of covering up his performances with excuses... He's covering up being a bang average Championship player, who can't produce regularly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Just now, Papahet said: He's covering up being a bang average Championship player, who can't produce regularly "Player who says he isn't producing regularly is covering up he is not producing regularly by stating in clear and simple terms that he is not producing regularly." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerryDaly Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 This guy won't be here next season .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 22 minutes ago, Papahet said: What's the point in being a runner if you can't do anything with a football? Balance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 51 minutes ago, Papahet said: What's the point in being a runner if you can't do anything with a football? He very rarely produces. Whilst you have mentioned what he did in previous seasons, but not a word of all the games/minutes he's featured this season? hmmm. He's almost 27, he should be hitting the form of his life. He's gone backwards and it's happened since the 13/14 season. The assist chart from last season, sure there's Johnny Russell(!). Freddie Sears had more assist's last season than JR, does that mean He is more of a creative threat than Russell today? Means nowt to me. Doesn't mean they are top players, I'd personally have neither at DCFC His finishing is abysmal, his decision making? pffft. He's too predictable with a football and he's coming out with the same predictable material in the media. Someone bid's 3 million and we get Jota for free, it'll be a masterstroke looks like GR disagrees with you from what hes quoted as saying in todays dderby telegrap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Ram Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Papahet said: *read Papahet's post on page 13* You posted a video of a Jordan Ibe goal away at Reading in 14/15 then stated below that that Russell can't assist, when Russell had an absolutely sublime assist that day. 1:17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Ram Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Why do we always have to drag a Derby player to bits one player does not make a team there is eleven player's one the pitch if he scored a hat trick tonight some posters would still say he was rubbish personally I think he is a good footballer I'm not interested in stats he covers a lot more ground than a lot of players in a Derby shirt BUT FOOTBALL IS A TEAM EFFORT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papahet Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 7 hours ago, Duracell said: "Player who says he isn't producing regularly is covering up he is not producing regularly by stating in clear and simple terms that he is not producing regularly." ""A couple of things have happened and I've let them affect me far longer than they should have." That's an excuse right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papahet Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 7 hours ago, TommyPowel said: looks like GR disagrees with you from what hes quoted as saying in todays dderby telegrap Good for him. He probably hasn't been watching Johnny Russell's performances for the past two and a half years though. 7 hours ago, cannable said: Balance The new excuse for 2017, "balance" 5 hours ago, Leicester Ram said: *read Papahet's post on page 13* You posted a video of a Jordan Ibe goal away at Reading in 14/15 then stated below that that Russell can't assist, when Russell had an absolutely sublime assist that day. 1:17 Easily pleased aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 6 hours ago, Leicester Ram said: *read Papahet's post on page 13* You posted a video of a Jordan Ibe goal away at Reading in 14/15 then stated below that that Russell can't assist, when Russell had an absolutely sublime assist that day. 1:17 Yeah but what he did 2 years ago doesn't matter only this season.... *checks Ibe's stats, 0 goals 0 assists* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 30 minutes ago, Papahet said: Good for him. He probably hasn't been watching Johnny Russell's performances for the past two and a half years though. The new excuse for 2017, "balance" Easily pleased aren't you? Have you been watching Jordon Ibe this season? This is what his manager thinks. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jan/08/bournemouth-eddie-howe-jordon-ibe-fa-cup-millwall-third-round Eddie Howe has admitted Bournemouth’s record signing Jordon Ibe has been “a disappointment” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papahet Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, rynny said: Yeah but what he did 2 years ago doesn't matter only this season.... *checks Ibe's stats, 0 goals 0 assists* You say two years like it was yesterday, the quality within the league (out wide) since those two years has improved immensely. Jota, Judge, Dallas, Mcgready, Knockeart, Richie, Costa, Hernandez, Cairney... You don't have to check Ibe's stat's. He's struggled since joining Bournemouth for a ridiculous sum, but also in a much better league and at a much younger age than Russell i'd probably expect that. Ibe was 18 when he came in, he came straight into the side and looked a cut above the likes of Russell, Coutts and looked a better prospect than the current England international, Jesse Lingard. Not going off assists or goals scored, he was generally a better player with speed, strength, trickier and the ability to come inside and get a shot on goal, something Russell struggles to do. 18 years old ffs. Ibe and Ince out wide would've been the dream scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 37 minutes ago, Papahet said: You don't have to check Ibe's stat's. He's struggled since joining Bournemouth for a ridiculous sum, but also in a much better league and at a much younger age than Russell i'd probably expect that. So he's done nowt?! Well if we signed him for goodness knows how much you'd expect GR to turn his form around? If he could do that then he can do it with Russell too for less money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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