G STAR RAM Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 5 minutes ago, Warren Hobhead said: It never happened. The Shackell and Pearson fallout did, weeks ago, but no group of players went to Mel regards Pearson. Martin and Pearson clashed from very early on but the majority if not all of the current group were playing for Pearson despite reservations about the formation and tactics, something that the players, with Pearson and Powell discussed together the day after Blackburn, at Moor Farm. It was decided then that 4-4-2 would be scrapped. That's where my knowledge ends. No idea what Pearson and Mel got up to afterwards but it seems clear from so many different voices that an argument occurred and their relationship soured. The players have put in two improved showings since and I hope things can finally get back to being about football. Playing devils advocate, not sure you can have knowledge that it didn't happen. The players could have gone without the knowledge of their team mates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilsonram12 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 IF it's true I'd of thought ince and shackell would be first in line i can't see it being true and its idle paper talk again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 MM admitted that he can't get the players to like the manager, so it's obviously true that it happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 5 minutes ago, philmycock said: MM admitted that he can't get the players to like the manager, so it's obviously true that it happened A bit wary of the spin tbh, this is the same MM who told the media that Clement was sacked for not playing 'the Derby way..' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 8 minutes ago, philmycock said: MM admitted that he can't get the players to like the manager, so it's obviously true that it happened I wonder if Mel liked him either?! Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 1 minute ago, europia said: A bit wary of the spin tbh, this is the same MM who told the media that Clement was sacked for not playing 'the Derby way..' did you ever consider Mel was protecting Paul Clement's integrity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: did you ever consider Mel was protecting Paul Clement's integrity? I have often thought that. I think the lack of information around Pearson leaving also is just be sure each party keeps as much integrity as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 13 minutes ago, europia said: A bit wary of the spin tbh, this is the same MM who told the media that Clement was sacked for not playing 'the Derby way..' Yes, I always took it that the 'Derby Way' was a euphemism created by MM for Clement demise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 10 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: did you ever consider Mel was protecting Paul Clement's integrity? Yes, it's a fair point that you make. I wasn't necessarily criticising Mel for it, just observing that things are spun in a way to suit ones perspective and circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 11 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: did you ever consider Mel was protecting Paul Clement's integrity? Maybe, but I doubt it. Clement's brother wouldn't keep character assassinating Mel on his Twitter if that was the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, McLovin said: Maybe, but I doubt it. Clement's brother wouldn't keep character assassinating Mel on his Twitter if that was the case just cos he's protecting him doesn't mean he couldn't still feel hard done by! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 7 minutes ago, McLovin said: Maybe, but I doubt it. Clement's brother wouldn't keep character assassinating Mel on his Twitter if that was the case Really? Mel could easily put his perspective far more than he did/does. No matter how Mel behaves over the issue, its clear Clement (or his bother) still feels very wronged by it. I just mean the two things arent mutually exclusive, not that one or the other isnt true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Who actually cares? If it has helped bring a squad of players together then why are we trying to pick over it? feels like theres a few people a bit too interested in conspiracy theorys in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 17 hours ago, PodgeyRam said: I would like to thank them. No more do I have to put up with Pearson's sneering arrogant face when he thinks the question he's answering is beneath him. They did the right thing. If you think your boss is being abusive then you take it up with human resources or his boss. It's standard procedure. Plus, they have short careers and they wouldn't want them to be put back a couple of years by a manager who can't tell his arse from his elbow. I would be curious though to see exactly who they were though. I think Keogh would've definitely been there, either as one of the aggrieved or in his capacity as captain. Not sure about the others though. Exactly Podgey. It was pretty obvious to me from the very start that Mr Pearson has some issues and that his man-management techniques are at best, dated and rather rustic. I'm a tad surprised that he was seen by the interview panel as being the right man for the job but that says more about the weakness of the interview as a selection process. I think if 7 of your team do go to your chief officer and make some observations about you, you quite clearly, as a manager, are sailing close to the wind of what is unacceptable. Yet many supposed supporters are moaning about "player power" and "bottlers". It doesn't matter who the 7 players were...they did exactly the right thing. It was perfectly obvious that NP was on the road to total failure, that he didn't have the players behind him, the players were unclear about the task he was setting, and his communication "tone" was probably "drowning" out the message in his words. If any of the managers in my organisation behaved like NP, they too would have been put into disciplinary procedures without any doubt. I don't know the detailed facts, but it should all be patently clear just from observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 14 minutes ago, Ellafella said: If any of the managers in my organisation behaved like NP, they too would have been put into disciplinary procedures without any doubt. I don't know the detailed facts, but it should all be patently clear just from observation. What wrong did he do to make you say 'would have been put into disciplinary procedures without any doubt' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 50 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: did you ever consider Mel was protecting Paul Clement's integrity? I knew you lot were told something unsavoury* at breakfast. *(awaits breakfast-based puns) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 8 hours ago, GboroRam said: Rudolph is always the last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Just checked the forecast no rain dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 2 hours ago, europia said: What wrong did he do to make you say 'would have been put into disciplinary procedures without any doubt' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Le Mesmer Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 20 hours ago, r_wilcockson said: Sick of hearing this to be honest. People willing to believe what is written in a newspaper (and the Sun and Mirror at that) and have a grudge on players based on nothing but gossip and rumour. Me too. Whatever happened is done now. Just move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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