Bris Vegas Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 3 hours ago, StringerBell said: Lampard and Gerrard were both clearly better players at the time than, say, Carrick and Barry. So it was probably a good thing England spent the best part of a decade trying to shoehorn them into the same team I guess? We only play one striker who lacks pace. It is imperative that Chris Martin is supported by the midfield. Hendrick and Bryson are the best at providing him with it. So there will always be a perfectly sane argument that one or the other should start. Don't get me wrong, I agree that balance is key. But I think BJ, Thorne and Butterfield is our best three at present, especially as the latter has goals in his game. I think Hendrick is overrated due to the fact he is a Derby product. If we had bought him for the amount we paid for BJ or JB and he put in the performances he normally does, he'd be branded a waste of money. I think he is a very good squad player. He'll never become a Premier League player though, sorry he just won't. I think his biggest problem is he doens't excell in any type of midfield area. He's not a goal scoring midfielder like Bryson, he not a good link-up player like Hughes and he's certainly not a good defensive midfielder like Thorne. He's average at everything, and we have a better midfielders in each of the important roles of a three-man midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 47 minutes ago, sage said: I notice Lees came off after 38 minutes and Hunt came off after 45 minutes. That could be another away game against a team minus 2 regular defenders. Lees injured tonight and think there's no CB available for Sunday game. There are also few more injuries for them likes of Bannan Forestieri Matias Turner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamLad1884 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 5 minutes ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: Lees injured tonight and think there's no CB available for Sunday game. There are also few more injuries for them likes of Bannan Forestieri Matias Turner Looked like they moved their full backs into the middle earlier, and played with wingers as wingbacks, could be an inspired attacking move if they line up the same against up on sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverurie Ram Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 54 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said: Hope we score one like your local team did...... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/scotland/34974756 Up the Loco's..... Choo Choo! I hope we don't score one like that, no need for greed, the greedy so and so should have passed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 My whole point in getting out of the Carling and FA Cups as soon as possible to avoid injuries. If Clement announced that his shadow eleven were playing and the entrance fee reduced it would be ideal. If we get a home game against a lower league club then £10 and £5 will give a big crowd an interesting day out. FA Cup - worst scenario is a long term injury to a key player.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorksopRam Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 57 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Don't get me wrong, I agree that balance is key. But I think BJ, Thorne and Butterfield is our best three at present, especially as the latter has goals in his game. I think Hendrick is overrated due to the fact he is a Derby product. If we had bought him for the amount we paid for BJ or JB and he put in the performances he normally does, he'd be branded a waste of money. I think he is a very good squad player. He'll never become a Premier League player though, sorry he just won't. I think his biggest problem is he doens't excell in any type of midfield area. He's not a goal scoring midfielder like Bryson, he not a good link-up player like Hughes and he's certainly not a good defensive midfielder like Thorne. He's average at everything, and we have a better midfielders in each of the important roles of a three-man midfield. I agree with this. I find Hendrick quite akin to how Paul Green was in many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeadlySaul Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Apparently their main defender Kieran Lee left the stadium wearing a protective boot tonight against Stoke and Loovens had to go off injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorksopRam Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 4 minutes ago, TheDeadlySaul said: Apparently their main defender Kieran Lee left the stadium wearing a protective boot tonight against Stoke and Loovens had to go off injured. He's their centre mid. You're on about Tom Lees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 15 minutes ago, TheDeadlySaul said: Apparently their main defender Kieran Lee left the stadium wearing a protective boot tonight against Stoke and Loovens had to go off injured. Thought he did some of those s? You sure it was a protective boot he was wearing and not something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 1 hour ago, Bris Vegas said: Don't get me wrong, I agree that balance is key. But I think BJ, Thorne and Butterfield is our best three at present, especially as the latter has goals in his game. I think Hendrick is overrated due to the fact he is a Derby product. If we had bought him for the amount we paid for BJ or JB and he put in the performances he normally does, he'd be branded a waste of money. I think he is a very good squad player. He'll never become a Premier League player though, sorry he just won't. I think his biggest problem is he doens't excell in any type of midfield area. He's not a goal scoring midfielder like Bryson, he not a good link-up player like Hughes and he's certainly not a good defensive midfielder like Thorne. He's average at everything, and we have a better midfielders in each of the important roles of a three-man midfield. Well i tend to agree but i'm not going to give you a "like" as its a bit too negative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 2 hours ago, Bris Vegas said: Don't get me wrong, I agree that balance is key. But I think BJ, Thorne and Butterfield is our best three at present, especially as the latter has goals in his game. I think Hendrick is overrated due to the fact he is a Derby product. If we had bought him for the amount we paid for BJ or JB and he put in the performances he normally does, he'd be branded a waste of money. I think he is a very good squad player. He'll never become a Premier League player though, sorry he just won't. I think his biggest problem is he doens't excell in any type of midfield area. He's not a goal scoring midfielder like Bryson, he not a good link-up player like Hughes and he's certainly not a good defensive midfielder like Thorne. He's average at everything, and we have a better midfielders in each of the important roles of a three-man midfield. I know Hendrick has got his detractors. Personally I think he slightly gets a hard time. I've shifted my expectations that he'd become the type of player to dominate a midfield, spraying passes about here there and everywhere. Yet 'Hendrick was anonymous', 'Hendrick couldn't impose himself on the game' are things frequently said about him when in all honesty there are two other centre midfielders whose primary job it is to do that. I'm not saying he can't improve or that he should be hiding from the ball, but his primary strength in our team is to basically use his stamina and pace to be an extra body in midfield when the situation fits and then get up front to become the second striker when attacking. I've also heard people say he's peaked. Most players don't peak until their mid to late 20's so I'm not sure why people think that unless they're clairvoyants. I know he hasn't scored the goals like Bryson did in 13/14 but I think Hendrick is having a fine season so far for and he's playing with confidence which I don't think has always been the case. And I know what you're saying about him being an academy product making people blinded to his ability but you could just as easily say the same about some of our other midfielders because of the money spent on them. I like all our midfielders. I just think that the formation and system is more important than playing your 'star players' - as we learned during England's so called golden generation. Every team needs a water carrier. I'm not saying Butterfield and Johnson can't play together, but it's not really how I'd like to see us play. For me it's Thorne at DM. Then one of Butterfield/Johnson/Hughes when he's back. Then one of Hendrick or Bryson. I think that's the best balance. But if Clement goes with Johnson and Butterfield again I hope they'll do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramesses Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I think this season Hendrick is showing he has the potential to turn into a quality AM player - both for us and for his country. My hope is that he’s someone who requires only a little more time for his natural skill and ability to finally (and consistently) catch up with the awkwardness of his physical development. Of course, he should never (ever) be allowed to play DM if we want to avoid skid marks on the bed linen…or win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAT Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just one other point on Hendrick's performance against Hull as a few have mentioned his lack of contribution. Did anyone take note of how many runs he made off the ball to the wings, specifically the right wing. He drew players off Butterfield and also offered support to Ince who quite often has one man too many on him. His hold up play in this area was brilliant. It's worth another watch if you're in any doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkleyowl Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 9 hours ago, TheDeadlySaul said: Apparently their main defender Kieran Lee left the stadium wearing a protective boot tonight against Stoke and Loovens had to go off injured. Kieran Lee is centre midfield and did leave in a Space boot, Tom Lees left on crutches. 10 hours ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: Lees injured tonight and think there's no CB available for Sunday game. There are also few more injuries for them likes of Bannan Forestieri Matias Turner Forestieri was cup tied not injured, both Turner and Bannan likely to play Sunday. That said I expect to lose, you're in good form and we have a few injuries, not forgetting your recent good record at Hillsborough stretching back to that bloody 5-2 in 1997. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 15 minutes ago, walkleyowl said: Kieran Lee is centre midfield and did leave in a Space boot, Tom Lees left on crutches. Forestieri was cup tied not injured, both Turner and Bannan likely to play Sunday. That said I expect to lose, you're in good form and we have a few injuries, not forgetting your recent good record at Hillsborough stretching back to that bloody 5-2 in 1997. Like I always say, I hope you have your strongest side available. We have a couple of long term injuries as well in Will Hughes & our left back Craig Forsyth but that is part of football. Bring it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I think that Sheff Wed are a very good Club and have a promising side that may challenge seriously for promotion next year. You may catch the play offs this season. You have a good manager and a great set of away fans.We need to win the game, draws are not good enough. If any team gets six points clear it is rock hard to get the points back. We need to win the next two to stay where we are in the league. It is a much harder league this year than last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave126 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I can't believe some of you are actually suggesting Hendrick should start instead of Johnson, Johnson has been consistently one of the best players on the pitch since we signed him, Hendrick has been average this season and will continue to be average because that's all he is, I think its great we can have a player like Hendrick on the bench, but I dont think he should start any time soon unless we have some injuries or someone has a serious dip in form. If Hendrick was lining up in an oppositions team, would we fear him? No. Would we fear Bradley Johnson, Butterfield or Thorne?? YES!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 13 minutes ago, dave126 said: I can't believe some of you are actually suggesting Hendrick should start instead of Johnson, Johnson has been consistently one of the best players on the pitch since we signed him, Hendrick has been average this season and will continue to be average because that's all he is, I think its great we can have a player like Hendrick on the bench, but I dont think he should start any time soon unless we have some injuries or someone has a serious dip in form. If Hendrick was lining up in an oppositions team, would we fear him? No. Would we fear Bradley Johnson, Butterfield or Thorne?? YES!! I wouldn't fear Butterfield, Thorne would have him in his pocket all game. I bet Butters gets really frustrated in training games if he's not on GT's team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave126 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 25 minutes ago, SaintRam said: I wouldn't fear Butterfield, Thorne would have him in his pocket all game. I bet Butters gets really frustrated in training games if he's not on GT's team Agreed!! How about Thorne and Butterfield in the oppositions team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just now, dave126 said: Agreed!! How about Thorne and Butterfield in the oppositions team? That Thorne fella's got a dodgy knee, just send Johnson into clatter him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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