DerbyPride Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I've only seen a passing mention on this on the Hendrick thread so thought it deserved its own thread. I've never before seen a sending off like Baird's from last night and I'm on the fence about whether it should have stood or not. If the ref thinks both fouls are bookable offences then that's all well and good, but as Michael O'Neill said, Baird wouldn't have made the second tackle if he knew he was on a booking. A strange one that I'm surprised hasn't come up before.The video of the incident(s) can be seen here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I've only seen a passing mention on this on the Hendrick thread so thought it deserved its own thread. I've never before seen a sending off like Baird's from last night and I'm on the fence about whether it should have stood or not. If the ref thinks both fouls are bookable offences then that's all well and good, but as Michael O'Neill said, Baird wouldn't have made the second tackle if he knew he was on a booking. A strange one that I'm surprised hasn't come up before.The video of the incident(s) can be seen here.Hard to see what happens with the first incident, the second was a very poor tackle. If he first was how it looks from a distance, then he can have no complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 To me he lost his head, not want we want to see from our club captain - total indiscipline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 He deserved it. It wasn't the "same incident" at all.He's had a kick at the back of someone up one end of the pitch, then as the ball has broken he's chased someone down at the other end and cleaned him out.The ref was clearly playing on until the game had stopped to book him for the first one, and then he makes the second challenge. It's immaterial what Baird knew or didn't in terms of the first card. Anyway, if he was smart he would have realised he was going to be booked for that first challenge anyway once the ball had gone out of play, so wouldn't have made the second.He's made two separate challenges on two different players on different parts of the pitch. Both were yellows.To be honest he could have received a straight red for the second challenge alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 It's a sending off. It's a bizarre situation, but the ref made the right call.The first tackle is just him doing his job as a midfield enforcer. The Hungarian player is trying to be cute by obstructing Baird off the ball, so Baird gives him a Cloughesque knee up the jacksy. He's unlucky that he's been spotted because the ref's back was turned, so I'm guessing he had one of assistants in his ear telling him what happened.The second tackle is stupid and he's lost his head. Sometimes defensive midfielders need to take a booking in those situations in order to stop the play and allow team mates to get back into defensive positions, but look at how many defenders there are between the Hungarian and the goal. There's no need to make the challenge.Both are obvious yellows and the rules allow you to be booked twice in the same section of play. If Baird didn't know that it's his own fault. Just think about it logically, if you could only hand out one yellow during the same section of play then any time advantage was played after a bad foul the offending player would have a free license to foul again and again until play was stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Moment of madness. Honestly I wouldn't start him on Saturday. Needs a break. First our fans being arses to him and now lashing out here. He's boiling and needs to be brought back down to room temperature before he is back on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorksopRam Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Great refereeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I've only seen a passing mention on this on the Hendrick thread so thought it deserved its own thread. I've never before seen a sending off like Baird's from last night and I'm on the fence about whether it should have stood or not. If the ref thinks both fouls are bookable offences then that's all well and good, but as Michael O'Neill said, Baird wouldn't have made the second tackle if he knew he was on a booking. A strange one that I'm surprised hasn't come up before.The video of the incident(s) can be seen here.He shouldn't have made that second tackle regardless of whether he thought he was going to be booked for the first one or not. Does the manager really think he took that into consideration? He's talking out of his arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 but as Michael O'Neill said, Baird wouldn't have made the second tackle if he knew he was on a booking.I buy this...He shouldn't have made that second tackle regardless of whether he thought he was going to be booked for the first one or not. I think you give his intelligence too much credit! Most footballers aren't smart enough to work that through... The adrenaline was rushing and it might even be the case of pumping MORE after 'getting away with' a kick further up the pitch and then legging it back...Dunno but that's my read on it... Deserved the red... But can appreciate WHY it happened... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Good lad, Bucko!Oh wait, it was Baird?! Unbelievable. Strip him of the captaincy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 If anything, the first one seems worse. He has a push at the fellow then seems to go at his back. All off the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North East Ram Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I remember Mark Wright sprinting 50 yards to smash a Norwich player in the face (Trevor Putney?); he was sent off and never got the crap Baird (not even a Derby game) or Keogh gets.Yes, Wright was a great captain and player but some fans are constantly looking for a boo boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Interesting situation. I've often wondered what the rules are on it. I'm on the side of saying he should have gone, but was unlucky that the first one got picked up. It's perfectly sensible to point out he may well have not made the second challenge if he knew the first one got noticed but I don't think the referee could have made any other decision. But it was a rash tackle, that's all. I don't know on what grounds people are saying he lost his head and needs taking out the side. It's no big deal. John Eustace did the same against Ipswich and he's a cult hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Second one was a straight red, no attempt to play the ball and was not just stopping the striker in his tracks, he set out to hurt him.The latest player to crumble under the stress of being DCFC captain?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 The ref should have made the point clear that he was playing on and going to book him after the first incident. Its a flaw in the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I remember Mark Wright sprinting 50 yards to smash a Norwich player in the face (Trevor Putney?); he was sent off and never got the crap Baird (not even a Derby game) or Keogh gets.Yes, Wright was a great captain and player but some fans are constantly looking for a boo boy. If you remember the incident then I am sure you will remember that The Tin Man was being assaulted by a few Norwich players and Ooh Mark Wright came to even things up, Putney deserved what he got.Baird on the other hand aimed a cowardly kick at an opponent running full force, the sort of cheap shot that can cause a serious injury to a fellow professional.Not going to hold it against Baird but it was very poor from supposed captain material to lose his head like that at such an important moment for his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 That was 2 red cards. You can only think that someone has 'done' him earlier and he's steaming about it. Not an excuse just trying to explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozza Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 and i thought Joey Barton was a thug ..what the hell possessed him ? .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 It happens, just glad it didn't happen at Derby. No doubt this will be used as a stick to beat him with though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JW- Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 That's just moronic.Especially for someone with 70 odd caps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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