Ambitious Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Both are very capable of Premier League football, without a doubt. Odubajo is a serious talent. I don't understand Curtains' argument about him being more of an out-and-out goalscorer than Martin and Bent. Sure, you could argue the Martin case, but he's far, far, far less proven than Darren Bent and if he's to have 1/3rd of his career then he will have done bloody good for himself.Bent is the 22nd highest goalscorer in Premier League history, and is just one goal away from 200 in all competitions. He also scored just 6 Championship goals less than Gray last season, despite playing in 30 fewer games. Martin also scored more than him last season, despite his injury problems, so there is also an argument that is also wrong.Gray is a fantastic player, don't get me wrong, but he wouldn't improve what we already have. We can only put a certain amount of bodies on the pitch and his presence would knock someone equally as capable IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Sure, you could argue the Martin case, Martin also scored more than him last season, despite his injury problems, so there is also an argument that is also wrong.As made clear in my previous posts I also think Martin and Bent are better...However I think actually Martin IS a better goalscorer than Gray and has better stats over not just one... but 2 champs seasons... compare Gray last season to either of Martin's full seasons for us and Martin looks better...I think we get distracted by the fact that Martin has so much MORE to his game than goals... He's NOT JUST a goalscorer... however if all he did was score goals he'd STILL be an impressive goalscorer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustylee Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I would rather we were after Odubajo than Gray if Brentford are considering selling the pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I would rather we were after Odubajo than Gray if Brentford are considering selling the pair.Best right-back in the division for me, and he's still got age on his side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamLad1884 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Ian Abrahams (@broadcastmoose) saying that brentford want more than £10 mill for Gray, they can jog on at that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColchesterRam Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Ian Abrahams (@broadcastmoose) saying that brentford want more than £10 mill for Gray, they can jog on at that price. That is ridiculous if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 That is ridiculous if true.if someone came in for Martin, what would your value be ? I would think as he is vital to our set up, and we done need to sell, we would be in the same ball park figure.Brentford obviously don't want to sell, so it's up to the buyer to either meet the price or go elsewhere.....nice to see a little club not being bullied into selling :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 if someone came in for Martin, what would your value be ? I would think as he is vital to our set up, and we done need to sell, we would be in the same ball park figure.Brentford obviously don't want to sell, so it's up to the buyer to either meet the price or go elsewhere.....nice to see a little club not being bullied into selling :-)Supposedly Swansea inquired about Martin and we told them £10m. No actual evidence of that of course. To Brentford, losing Gray might sentence them to mid-table mediocrity, so that's worth £10m to them and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robglosta Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Moose knows. 10m is utterly laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satty atwal Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Hull have agreed the 3.5m odubajo deal but are holding out because they want 9m double deal inc gray. A prem league club though has matched the odubajo release clause. I think 6m would get gray but no way is he worth that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColchesterRam Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 if someone came in for Martin, what would your value be ? I would think as he is vital to our set up, and we done need to sell, we would be in the same ball park figure.Brentford obviously don't want to sell, so it's up to the buyer to either meet the price or go elsewhere.....nice to see a little club not being bullied into selling :-)Totally agree Leeds Ram, fair play to Brentford. If it means asking for a higher price to improve club finances then good on them but would you agree that their valuation of a player, who's had one good season in the championship, a bit high? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Who decides how much a player is worth .It's an agreement between the selling club and the buying club .Its called market forces. Gray has his price and it depends on club needs I'd say. Players tend to go for more in January when clubs are more desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Totally agree Leeds Ram, fair play to Brentford. If it means asking for a higher price to improve club finances then good on them but would you agree that their valuation of a player, who's had one good season in the championship, a bit high? If I held the purse strings at Derby, then I would agree with you, that it appears to be over inflated to say the least.I haven't seen enough of him to comment on his playing ability, but comparing to other players that are proven if the premier league, that go for less, it's a high figure to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernRam Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I'd take Odubajo for £3.5m and then loan a player up top and maybe in CDM if necessary (might not be if Baird then becomes another DM)! Easy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I have seen him play at Luton when they were non league. I suppose this only has limited value as a reference, but what he has that is different from Bent and Martin is pace. He is strong and really quick. That makes him a great championship striker but as others have said he doesn't really improve on what we have. Bent is a goal scorer par excellence A Wiley fox who lacks a little pace simply because of his age. Martin is strong and clever. Both can finish well, if either of them had a turn of speed they would be dynamite ( as Bent was in his pomp ) IF Grey could develop the rest of his game to go with his speed and willingness to have a pop then he would be an 8 million pound player but can he do that .. 8 million is what mid table prem teams pay for a striker... The key indicator is are any mid table prem teams chasing Grey ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsall_Ram Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Odubajo to Hull is confirmed. £3.5m.Gray deal is stalling and will stay with Brentford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 If Brentford have accepted £3.5m for Odubajo, then Hull were trying to get Gray for £5.5m..Clearly Hull want more. I don't think we'd be in for him at this stage, neither do I think we should be, especially if that price isn't good enough.I think we're far more likely to be getting a loan in to cover any striker injuries - but that won't happen until clubs have confirmed their 25-man squads, which is usually September time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Andre Gray scored again today to get Brentford right back in it as they came back from 2 down against Ipswich to grab a draw late on. Get him signed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Andre Gray scored again today to get Brentford right back in it as they came back from 2 down against Ipswich to grab a draw late on. Get him signed up. And never play him? Let it go, he'd cost too much to probably not even make the bench. We could do with another striker but not for that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColchesterRam Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Certain sources on social media are reporting that Hull City are close to obtaining the services of Andre Grey. It's also being reported that they are willing to match the 9 mill price tag asked by Brentford too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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