kevinhectoring
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8 minutes ago, Charlotte Ram said:
It is inevitable this will be settled in the courts, the EFL are being driven on by a few idiotic chairmen and Mel is not noted for backing down.
There will be no takeover as the EFL have driven the price of the club down to less than zero, Mel should hang on and tough it out if his health permits it.
If you’re predicting that we will end up in court with Wycombe and the EFl, then I sincerely hope you’re wrong. It would be madness. And I would be amazed if we had any success against either
Mel still suffers from the delusion that if you believe you are in the right, then you will win in court. He should have learned his lesson by now
your point about the impact of the proceedings on the price of the club is spot on. I fear some of the chairmen have intentionally cajoled the EFl into a course of action that will hit Mel hard in the wallet
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17 minutes ago, Charlotte Ram said:
To use a term fairly common in my organisation, the EFL and Wycombe need to lawyer up, as I anticipate the EFL will get an injunction stopping them relegating us should they press the nuclear option and Wycombe need to stop slandering the club in the press and the media, I would go for Wycombe first and issue a cease and desist notification prior to action.
Nick De Marco must be rubbing his hands at all the work he is going to get.
looking at the damage that legal proceedings (EFl, Keogh) has caused us, it would seem more sensible to lawyer down
we’re beginning to look like the guy who’s drunk in the corner of the pub at closing time and is just determined to fight someone.
The majority of fans on here want a takeover to happen soon. That is what we need. Lawyering up is not going to help with that.
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4 minutes ago, Eatonram said:
TBH even if the accounts were within P And S limits I think I would wait till the very last minute.
I think you have a point. The club may want to avoid releasing compliant P&S returns before the LAP hears the appeal on sanctions. Because if the LAP knows there is no sanction except for the 100k (because the returns are compliant), then they are more likely to get stuck in with heftier penalties
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1 hour ago, Carnero said:
In 2 days?
Get a grip.
We have had many months to update them and the revised accounts must now exist. Maybe we’re holding on to them because we don’t want EFL to rush through another charge before next season
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8 hours ago, Nuwtfly said:
"Rooney has told friends he may walk if the Rams are dropped down.
The ex-England captain has two years left on his £90,000-a-week contract...
...SunSport also understands Rooney, 35, has concerns that the project of leading cash-strapped Rams in League One would not be the best fit for his fledgling dugout career."
Shouldn’t read too much into it I guess but interesting to note what he has not said. He has not said he’ll go if the embargo is not lifted by _____. Or if the t/o is not done soon. Or if we suffer a points deduction
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3 hours ago, S8TY said:
but the fact its only a 100k fine says a lot and then to put out two sets of fixtures is nothing short of laughable!!
Sort of agree with you about the fixtures but it’s done for Wycombe (whose owner is a US lawyer).
The fine is a great result but I think it comes from the panel (the DC) who initially supported us. If the EFL do appeal the sanction, we’re back in front of the LAP who thought we deceived the EFl and thought that the EFl was unfairly criticised by the DC. So there’s an odds on chance the sanction gets worse. And we’re stuck with the decision of the LAP.
If as reported the new owners are talking to the EFL, then the best result for us is for them to do a deal to persuade the EFL not to appeal. But Wycombe (supported by others) will probably be able to force the EFL to appeal, and to do it quickly.
So there’s a fair chance the fine gets bigger or becomes a points deduction. But not a points deduction for 20/21 I would say, even though the dual fixture list obviously increases the chance of that happening.
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35 minutes ago, Charlotte Ram said:
The statement from the club is not combative and is certainly not lunacy, if anything it is factual and restrained.
'EFL has chosen to be selective about the Decision and present it in a form which omit key dates and details, which the Club has provided by way of clarity above.'
This doesn't pass the giggle test if you go back and look at the statement the club issued after losing the appeal. Talk about selective...
Combative may not be the word. Childish petulance may be a better description. Percy's article about the 'bitter feud' is driven by the club's response to the EFL statement. It is not what we want, because it will just perpetuate the attacks on us, it will guarantee that the EFL seeks the maximum penalty
The on going fighting with the EFL is damaging the club, we can all see that. Why are people talking about suing them ?
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33 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:
I thought that was a good pre-emptive strike. No use letting the EFL dock points and then try and appeal them, we need to stop the EFLs idea that docking points retrospectively is ever an option (for any team tbh).
They will have told Wycombe that they will ask for this in their appeal. So they will. But it’s the decision of the panel not the EFl and they won’t get it.
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13 minutes ago, Spanish said:
I will say it again, the EFL are driven by the whole of the clubs they represent. Know thy enemy, we have put too many noses out of joint and there are a few queuing up now
Yes. And still we are issuing combative club statements ! Lunacy
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19 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:
that the EFL signed off our accounts (with knowledge of what we'd done ffs)
Is there evidence to support this? It appears a lot on here but I can’t remember reading it anywhere else.
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22 minutes ago, Stuniverse said:
So the BIG question here is will the restated accounts for 2016, 2017 and 2018 comply with or breach FRS102?
I dont think that is the question just now. That one comes later.
As @JfRhas said, the interchangeable fixture list is needed because the EFl will presumably appeal the sanction decision and ask for a points deduction. That could happen within a month. The failure to comply with P&S because of the amortisation ruling cannot lead to a points deduction last season, because we’ve not yet even been formally accused of that.
I don’t think the LAP will order a points deduction for last season for the reasons @Ghost of Cloughhas explained. But we could get a double points deduction next season, one for the amortisation charges if the EFL appeal of the sanction is upheld; and another one if the restated accounts fail the test.
We have to hope and pray that new owners swoop in and persuade the EFl not to appeal. And that our restated accounts are above the P&S bar.
if they don’t, it will be interesting to see what Rooney says and does
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8 minutes ago, Reggie Greenwood said:
Portugal out as things stand p
Go Hungary ! It’s more dramatic than the last day of the championship
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1 hour ago, JoetheRam said:
India v New Zealand has been a cracker.
Disastrous result for cricket tho. This match was intended to increase interest in test cricket in India. Indian supporters will all have turned off as the Indian wickets started to tumble. Match should probably have been played in India
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9 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:
Nope. Who do you mean, name names.
‘Wayne Rooney is all the proof you need that great players rarely make great managers’
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3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:
Which football community?! Most of the media believe he's been sold a pig in a poke. All the take-over nonsense is there for all to see. They see he kept us up.
The football community who assessed his team selection, strategy, game management and substitutions.
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21 hours ago, LeedsCityRam said:
If Rooney walks.
Even though I don't want him at the club, the fact he is still here indicates things are progressing on the takeover front & that the news on the penalty (the severity of which I'm certain the club will be aware of) isn't as bad as first feared.
Rooney is an unashamed careerist & there's no way he would stay if a) there were no funds to bring in players/was going to lose players and/or b) a substantial penalty incoming. Too much potential damage to his brand and ambition & he's already got a ready made narrative of 'keeping us up'. His media pals will do their duty talking up his stint & protesting we're an impossible job.
Don’t think Rooney is in a strong position. The football community thinks that so far he’ s struggling as a manager - so where is he going to walk to ? And I don’t think punditry is likely to be his thing
But if he does turn it around next season, he’ll be feeling good about Derby, and many of the fans who are now against him will give him a second go. So I’m not sure he’ll be out the door at the first opportunity
all quite dependent on the long awaited new owners of course and their relationship with him.
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8 hours ago, SFox1993 said:
Because thats going to help ....?
Yeah you got it, it’s going to help. It’s going to help because the EFl has a massive amount of discretion in the way they manage the league. And they won’t ever exercise it in favour of clubs who keep trying to poke them in the eye.
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2 hours ago, Alpha said:
We’re proving people wrong - Bale
Are you kidding? People have been more up your arse than any other team. Fair play Scotland have put in 2 performances above the expectations but Wales? Drew with Switzerland, beat Turkey and lost to Italy... who you proving wrong?
Perhaps he’s trying to motivate his team
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15 hours ago, maxjam said:
Yeah, he's a couple of shots back that could cost him tonight.
Looking like an interesting final round though, lots of players in contention ?
Just wish Rory’s putting was better. He needs a miracle now
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1 hour ago, B4ev6is said:
Well you all know what I think I think we should protest against efl and let them know we are backing our club and help Derby county fight them.
I hope our new owners will have the sense to kiss and make up with the EFL. Fighting your regulator is a mug’s game
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10 hours ago, Rample said:
He was trending on Twitter, was hoping something more relevant to us.
Turns out he feels qualified to pick the England team. Personally I think he's way off the mark with Foden comments - what does he know about effective wingers.
Well he doesn’t need the money the Times paid him for this (if he got anything at all). After a season that left most observers doubting his talents as a manager, there’s a fair chance he wrote this to boost his credentials as a tactician.
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2 hours ago, Rammy03 said:
Jozwiak assist for Poland goal
He got that one from Nathan Byrne
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46 minutes ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said:
Really thougt England were going to stuff the jocks. On paper onLy Robertson could get in the England side. But for sheer determination no England player could get into the jocks side. They were up for it and that can make a big difference in this game
A Derby is a great leveller
EFL Verdict
in Derby County Forum
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Most of the clubs are against us on this.
I don’t think we’ll get a ‘retrospective’ penalty but it’s the Tribunal not the EFl that decides that.
Why don’t we sue Villa ??!! Where would we all be if club a could sue club b for breach of the rules ? Come on