Normanton Lad

All sensible parents must know by now that our government has been lying to them all their lives. If you don't expect them to tell the truth why would you trust our government or their agents (teachers) to be able to tell your children what is right and wrong.
It is up to the parents to pass on moral standards and the traditions you want your children to keep.  If the schools are brainwashing your children with nonsense you need to teach your children about cults and deprogramme them.
If you accept all this nonsense yourself then there is no hope for you or your children.

All sensible parents must know by now that our government has been lying to them all their lives. If you don't expect them to tell the truth why would you trust our government or their agents (teachers) to be able to tell your children what is right and wrong.
It is up to the parents to pass on moral standards and the traditions you want your children to keep.  If the schools are brainwashing your children with nonsense you need to teach your children about cults and deprogramme them.
If you accept all this nonsense yourself then there is no hope for you or your children.

All sensible parents must know by now that our government has been lying to them all their lives. If you don't expect them to tell the truth why would you trust our government or their agents (teachers) to be able to tell your children what is right and wrong.
It is up to the parents to pass on moral standards and the traditions you want your children to keep.  If the schools are brainwashing your children with nonsense you need to teach your children about cults and deprogramme them.
If you accept all this nonsense yourself then there is no hope for you or your children.

You must have missed the Finn Harps game.

You must have missed the Finn Harps game.

You must have missed the Finn Harps game.

Get Rid. Southgate is not a winner. You can tell is a weak man. When you compare him with people like Brian Clough, Dave Mckay and Alex Ferguson you can see he is not a leader. I'd bring back Big Sam.

The emotional response of the average UK reader to that article would be that migrant workers in Qatar are treated intolerably by cruel rich Arabs. 
The critical reader might draw different conclusions because they start from a position of assuming that most of the “news” they get from mainstream media is propaganda. The British are among the most trusting people in the world and consequently they are very easy to brainwash.
The propaganda in this article starts with the photo. Why was it taken behind a fence? The answer is that it was to give the impression that these migrant workers are being held in a prison camp. Was there barbed wire on top of the fence? We don’t know because the top of the fence is not shown. If it was topped with barbed wire then the photographer would have shown it. That would be too good an opportunity to miss. However, just not showing the top of the fence will trick some into thinking it was a barbed wire topped fence. In other words, the migrants couldn’t escape. What do the harsh lights, shadows and high barracks-like buildings remind you of? A prison. Perhaps even a German Second World War prison camp. This is not just a random photo of migrant workers playing football. It is an attempt to deceive you.
When I was a young man I lived in a worker's camp at a massive construction site. Nearly all the men there were migrants from Ireland. We had no five-a-side football pitch for the simple reason that after a long day digging or pouring concrete you only had the energy to lie on your bed or go out to nearest pub and get pissed. If these migrants in Qatar were being worked to exhaustion they would not have the energy for football.
When you read the article the propaganda starts with the pseudonyms. The most unhappy worker is called Moses! I thought they were building football stadiums not pyramids, but you get the message – slaves being held by cruel Arabs. I know that the ancient Egyptians were not Arabs and that there is no mention of the pyramids in the Bible, but propaganda works on emotions and beliefs rather than facts.
Moses makes the point even clearer for the slower readers when he says “What we are seeing here is modern slavery”. It sounds a bit like conditions in the UK where there are many people being held as slaves by their fellow migrants. The difference is that Moses can go home if he is not happy but most of the slaves here are illegal immigrants and things are not so simple.
Some workers are not paid the minimum wage set by the Qatar government. Who is cheating them out of this money? It looks like the same old story. Migrants are cheating fellow migrants. Most of the migrants living in illegal hovels in the UK have migrant landlords. It is the same with sweatshops. They are employed by migrants on less than the minimum wage in unsafe conditions. If the Qatar is to blame for this then so is our government.
"Issac"- another Biblical migrant – who is a black African says the Qataris call him "Kachara" which the Guardian translates as rubbish. Kachara is a Hindi word. Why would they shout at him in Hindi rather than Arabic? It seems a bit strange, but Issac might be right. He also complains about Asian workers not mixing with the Africans. Perhaps it was the Asian migrants who were insulting him and not the Qataris. Maybe it suited the author better to blame the Qataris rather than other migrants.
There is so much to say about this and all the other nonsense we are fed by liars but life short and I doubt if anyone is interested in my opinions. Nearly everything I once believed I now regard as false so unless I've become usually wise in my old age my opinions are probably just as unreliable as the next man's.
 

Who are we to lecture other countries about human rights when we don’t take them seriously ourselves?
Human rights are supposed to protect us against oppressive governments, but in the UK human rights laws are being used by the government to oppress us. For example, we are supposed to have "freedom of speech" under various Human Rights Acts but the small print in these Acts is that if you offend anyone by using language deemed “insulting” then you are open to a visit from the police. What one person sees as "insulting" might be seen as fair comment by another. There are so many "sensitive" people in the UK that you might as well keep your gob shut and forget about free speech. There is no such thing in the UK.
Usually, I don’t post about politics because my views on many topics seem to be different from the majority view. It is just not worth upsetting anyone. 
Human rights claims are usually just attempts to get an advantage for one group at the cost of another. Universal rights is a meaningless phrase because what person sees as a right can conflict with what another sees as a right. People often have incompatible desires. 

The emotional response of the average UK reader to that article would be that migrant workers in Qatar are treated intolerably by cruel rich Arabs. 
The critical reader might draw different conclusions because they start from a position of assuming that most of the “news” they get from mainstream media is propaganda. The British are among the most trusting people in the world and consequently they are very easy to brainwash.
The propaganda in this article starts with the photo. Why was it taken behind a fence? The answer is that it was to give the impression that these migrant workers are being held in a prison camp. Was there barbed wire on top of the fence? We don’t know because the top of the fence is not shown. If it was topped with barbed wire then the photographer would have shown it. That would be too good an opportunity to miss. However, just not showing the top of the fence will trick some into thinking it was a barbed wire topped fence. In other words, the migrants couldn’t escape. What do the harsh lights, shadows and high barracks-like buildings remind you of? A prison. Perhaps even a German Second World War prison camp. This is not just a random photo of migrant workers playing football. It is an attempt to deceive you.
When I was a young man I lived in a worker's camp at a massive construction site. Nearly all the men there were migrants from Ireland. We had no five-a-side football pitch for the simple reason that after a long day digging or pouring concrete you only had the energy to lie on your bed or go out to nearest pub and get pissed. If these migrants in Qatar were being worked to exhaustion they would not have the energy for football.
When you read the article the propaganda starts with the pseudonyms. The most unhappy worker is called Moses! I thought they were building football stadiums not pyramids, but you get the message – slaves being held by cruel Arabs. I know that the ancient Egyptians were not Arabs and that there is no mention of the pyramids in the Bible, but propaganda works on emotions and beliefs rather than facts.
Moses makes the point even clearer for the slower readers when he says “What we are seeing here is modern slavery”. It sounds a bit like conditions in the UK where there are many people being held as slaves by their fellow migrants. The difference is that Moses can go home if he is not happy but most of the slaves here are illegal immigrants and things are not so simple.
Some workers are not paid the minimum wage set by the Qatar government. Who is cheating them out of this money? It looks like the same old story. Migrants are cheating fellow migrants. Most of the migrants living in illegal hovels in the UK have migrant landlords. It is the same with sweatshops. They are employed by migrants on less than the minimum wage in unsafe conditions. If the Qatar is to blame for this then so is our government.
"Issac"- another Biblical migrant – who is a black African says the Qataris call him "Kachara" which the Guardian translates as rubbish. Kachara is a Hindi word. Why would they shout at him in Hindi rather than Arabic? It seems a bit strange, but Issac might be right. He also complains about Asian workers not mixing with the Africans. Perhaps it was the Asian migrants who were insulting him and not the Qataris. Maybe it suited the author better to blame the Qataris rather than other migrants.
There is so much to say about this and all the other nonsense we are fed by liars but life short and I doubt if anyone is interested in my opinions. Nearly everything I once believed I now regard as false so unless I've become usually wise in my old age my opinions are probably just as unreliable as the next man's.
 

Aaahh, moderators help! This person is disagreeing with me!
There really is no justice in the world is there? All you wanted was to force a change in the laws of a sovereign nation 1000s of miles away from your own country. Do you work for the US Department of State?
I'm no fan of Qatar's laws. I don't like how Islam treats women or homosexuals. Vast swathes of the world disagree with me. I'm not arrogant enough to assume that I should have moral authority over billions of people.

“I just want to say one word to you : plastics.”
Just joking. That was a good film and it astonished me to think that I since that film came out I’ve had a long working life and I’ve been retired nearly 20 years. You are living in a totally different world to the one I worked in. When I started firms would almost be begging for you to work for them. Anyone from my school who wanted an apprenticeship could easily get one. Those boys usually ended up as self-employed plumbers, electricians, gas engineers, etc. The ones who got office jobs often ended up as some kind of manager and they retired at 50 on a nice pension. Now job loyalty and security are long gone. It is every man for himself.
Not long ago I decided to spy on some of the young people I used to work with. These were people around your age. The more successful of them had reinvented themselves as “Project Managers”. Before they had been junior managers or IT workers but they got the Prince 2 qualification and a bit of experience running small projects and then they all seemed to find work as consultant project managers in big organisations like local government and the NHS. I could see from the Linkedin site that they usually moved on to another contract after a couple of years. I don’t know if this is normal practice or whether they didn’t want to stay long enough to be "found out".
That’s one option for you. Just say that you’ve been doing project management in education for about 10 years. I’m sure you could dress up whatever you’ve been doing as various projects.

Get Rid. Southgate is not a winner. You can tell is a weak man. When you compare him with people like Brian Clough, Dave Mckay and Alex Ferguson you can see he is not a leader. I'd bring back Big Sam.

Get Rid. Southgate is not a winner. You can tell is a weak man. When you compare him with people like Brian Clough, Dave Mckay and Alex Ferguson you can see he is not a leader. I'd bring back Big Sam.

Get Rid. Southgate is not a winner. You can tell is a weak man. When you compare him with people like Brian Clough, Dave Mckay and Alex Ferguson you can see he is not a leader. I'd bring back Big Sam.

They were laughing.
If diversity is such a good thing why can't we respect the cultural norms of Qatar. If everyone has the same laws and cultural norms then that's not diversity. Religion is very important to people in that part of the world and gay sex is prohibited by their religion. Why should the West try to force their cultural norms on the rest of the world.
Re. the loss of lives, as far as I know only three people died building the stadiums. In the early 1970s I worked on a construction site in the UK where more than three people died on site over about three or four years and that didn't even make the national papers. Many migrant workers have died building other things in Qatar but the death rate for migrant workers in Qatar is lower than that in their own countries. Most people brought up in the Third World have not had access to medical care as children and they are not as healthy as people in First World countries. A lot of migrant deaths in Qatar can be attributed to general ill health. A doctor who had done research in Central Africa told me that the average person there has so many parasites that it is amazing that they have the strength to do any work at all.
 
 

It seems so anachronistic for Jimmy Hagan to have been at the Baseball Ground in charge of Benfica. He had been at Derby County so long ago that he would have chatted to Steve Bloomer when Bloomer was the groundsman. I doubt if he had any fondness for the Rams. He had been allowed to go to Sheffield United even though Derby must have realised how good he was. He went on to have a great 20 year career for the Blades. It was a bit like when Man United let Giles go to Leeds.  Sometimes managers get rid of players against the long-term interest of their clubs. It is often a case of a personality clash.

I don’t think Brian Clough put many people on a pedestal but I’m sure he would have respected Hagan. He performed wonders at Peterborough. His time at West Brom wasn’t as successful. In fact, his players went on strike in January of 1964 because he wouldn’t let his players wear tracksuit bottoms during training. Those of us of pension age will remember how cold it was that winter. When Hagan drove his car into a canal some of these players jumped in to rescue him. The others probably thought "Let him drown".

Below in the Youtube link at 5:57 you can see the canal he drove his car into. It was next to West Brom’s old training ground. The clip is from a documentary from about 1962 called “The Saturday Men”. It was supposed to be about the life of an average footballer but many of those players were far from average – e.g. Bobby Robson, Don Howe, Jock Wallace, etc.
It’s fascinating to see how much industry there was at that time. The background in the clip seems to be full of factory chimneys. This has got nothing to do with Jimmy Hagan but I find it hard to understand how we were so poor then when we were manufacturing so much. Today when we make nothing the situation seems reversed.
 

This is the story about the strike :
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/gallery/baggies-refused-wear-shorts-343350
This is about Hagan’s crash :
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/black-country-bugle/20180815/281861529341413
 

It seems so anachronistic for Jimmy Hagan to have been at the Baseball Ground in charge of Benfica. He had been at Derby County so long ago that he would have chatted to Steve Bloomer when Bloomer was the groundsman. I doubt if he had any fondness for the Rams. He had been allowed to go to Sheffield United even though Derby must have realised how good he was. He went on to have a great 20 year career for the Blades. It was a bit like when Man United let Giles go to Leeds.  Sometimes managers get rid of players against the long-term interest of their clubs. It is often a case of a personality clash.

I don’t think Brian Clough put many people on a pedestal but I’m sure he would have respected Hagan. He performed wonders at Peterborough. His time at West Brom wasn’t as successful. In fact, his players went on strike in January of 1964 because he wouldn’t let his players wear tracksuit bottoms during training. Those of us of pension age will remember how cold it was that winter. When Hagan drove his car into a canal some of these players jumped in to rescue him. The others probably thought "Let him drown".

Below in the Youtube link at 5:57 you can see the canal he drove his car into. It was next to West Brom’s old training ground. The clip is from a documentary from about 1962 called “The Saturday Men”. It was supposed to be about the life of an average footballer but many of those players were far from average – e.g. Bobby Robson, Don Howe, Jock Wallace, etc.
It’s fascinating to see how much industry there was at that time. The background in the clip seems to be full of factory chimneys. This has got nothing to do with Jimmy Hagan but I find it hard to understand how we were so poor then when we were manufacturing so much. Today when we make nothing the situation seems reversed.
 

This is the story about the strike :
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/gallery/baggies-refused-wear-shorts-343350
This is about Hagan’s crash :
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/black-country-bugle/20180815/281861529341413
 

It seems so anachronistic for Jimmy Hagan to have been at the Baseball Ground in charge of Benfica. He had been at Derby County so long ago that he would have chatted to Steve Bloomer when Bloomer was the groundsman. I doubt if he had any fondness for the Rams. He had been allowed to go to Sheffield United even though Derby must have realised how good he was. He went on to have a great 20 year career for the Blades. It was a bit like when Man United let Giles go to Leeds.  Sometimes managers get rid of players against the long-term interest of their clubs. It is often a case of a personality clash.

I don’t think Brian Clough put many people on a pedestal but I’m sure he would have respected Hagan. He performed wonders at Peterborough. His time at West Brom wasn’t as successful. In fact, his players went on strike in January of 1964 because he wouldn’t let his players wear tracksuit bottoms during training. Those of us of pension age will remember how cold it was that winter. When Hagan drove his car into a canal some of these players jumped in to rescue him. The others probably thought "Let him drown".

Below in the Youtube link at 5:57 you can see the canal he drove his car into. It was next to West Brom’s old training ground. The clip is from a documentary from about 1962 called “The Saturday Men”. It was supposed to be about the life of an average footballer but many of those players were far from average – e.g. Bobby Robson, Don Howe, Jock Wallace, etc.
It’s fascinating to see how much industry there was at that time. The background in the clip seems to be full of factory chimneys. This has got nothing to do with Jimmy Hagan but I find it hard to understand how we were so poor then when we were manufacturing so much. Today when we make nothing the situation seems reversed.
 

This is the story about the strike :
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/gallery/baggies-refused-wear-shorts-343350
This is about Hagan’s crash :
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/black-country-bugle/20180815/281861529341413
 

It seems so anachronistic for Jimmy Hagan to have been at the Baseball Ground in charge of Benfica. He had been at Derby County so long ago that he would have chatted to Steve Bloomer when Bloomer was the groundsman. I doubt if he had any fondness for the Rams. He had been allowed to go to Sheffield United even though Derby must have realised how good he was. He went on to have a great 20 year career for the Blades. It was a bit like when Man United let Giles go to Leeds.  Sometimes managers get rid of players against the long-term interest of their clubs. It is often a case of a personality clash.

I don’t think Brian Clough put many people on a pedestal but I’m sure he would have respected Hagan. He performed wonders at Peterborough. His time at West Brom wasn’t as successful. In fact, his players went on strike in January of 1964 because he wouldn’t let his players wear tracksuit bottoms during training. Those of us of pension age will remember how cold it was that winter. When Hagan drove his car into a canal some of these players jumped in to rescue him. The others probably thought "Let him drown".

Below in the Youtube link at 5:57 you can see the canal he drove his car into. It was next to West Brom’s old training ground. The clip is from a documentary from about 1962 called “The Saturday Men”. It was supposed to be about the life of an average footballer but many of those players were far from average – e.g. Bobby Robson, Don Howe, Jock Wallace, etc.
It’s fascinating to see how much industry there was at that time. The background in the clip seems to be full of factory chimneys. This has got nothing to do with Jimmy Hagan but I find it hard to understand how we were so poor then when we were manufacturing so much. Today when we make nothing the situation seems reversed.
 

This is the story about the strike :
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/gallery/baggies-refused-wear-shorts-343350
This is about Hagan’s crash :
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/black-country-bugle/20180815/281861529341413
 

It seems so anachronistic for Jimmy Hagan to have been at the Baseball Ground in charge of Benfica. He had been at Derby County so long ago that he would have chatted to Steve Bloomer when Bloomer was the groundsman. I doubt if he had any fondness for the Rams. He had been allowed to go to Sheffield United even though Derby must have realised how good he was. He went on to have a great 20 year career for the Blades. It was a bit like when Man United let Giles go to Leeds.  Sometimes managers get rid of players against the long-term interest of their clubs. It is often a case of a personality clash.

I don’t think Brian Clough put many people on a pedestal but I’m sure he would have respected Hagan. He performed wonders at Peterborough. His time at West Brom wasn’t as successful. In fact, his players went on strike in January of 1964 because he wouldn’t let his players wear tracksuit bottoms during training. Those of us of pension age will remember how cold it was that winter. When Hagan drove his car into a canal some of these players jumped in to rescue him. The others probably thought "Let him drown".

Below in the Youtube link at 5:57 you can see the canal he drove his car into. It was next to West Brom’s old training ground. The clip is from a documentary from about 1962 called “The Saturday Men”. It was supposed to be about the life of an average footballer but many of those players were far from average – e.g. Bobby Robson, Don Howe, Jock Wallace, etc.
It’s fascinating to see how much industry there was at that time. The background in the clip seems to be full of factory chimneys. This has got nothing to do with Jimmy Hagan but I find it hard to understand how we were so poor then when we were manufacturing so much. Today when we make nothing the situation seems reversed.
 

This is the story about the strike :
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/gallery/baggies-refused-wear-shorts-343350
This is about Hagan’s crash :
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/black-country-bugle/20180815/281861529341413
 

European Cup 1st Round 2nd leg – Wednesday 27th September 1972 & Zeljeznicar v Derby in Sarajevo, Yugoslavia
The Rams had won the first leg at the Baseball Ground 2-0 but had to defend that lead in front of 50,000 in the Kosevo Stadium in Sarajevo. Despite being welcomed onto the pitch with rockets from the crowd, Derby silenced the home support with 2 early goals from Hinton & O’Hare to put the tie beyond Zeljeznicar’s reach & book their place in the next round. Match report below;

 
 

Programme for the match from the Kosevo Stadium – for those of you who wondered what Derby County was in Bosnian, its ‘Derbi Kaunti’. You’re welcome ?

 
Full round up of results from the rest of the 1st round matches – all the big guns got through including Juventus, who beat Marseille comfortably despite trailing from the first leg. There was also something of a furore in Greece where the referee called a penalty shoot out victory for CSKA Sofia one penalty too early, necessitating a replayed match which Panathinaikos lost anyway;

 
The draw for the Second Round saw the introduction of reigning back to back European Champions Ajax to the competition. Even more exciting was Derby being drawn against Benfica – the 1961 & 1962 European Champions (runners up in 1963, 1965 & 1968), with the legendary Eusebio still in their ranks. First leg was to be played at the Baseball Ground on 25th October;

 

Following our first title in 1971-72, this season marks the 50th anniversary of Derby’s European Cup debut & the start of 4 very eventful European campaigns up to the end of 1976. Like the 1971-72 season scrapbook last season, I’ll be looking to mark each game 50 years on with match reports, TV footage (if available) & as much info and memorabilia as I can glean. Of course, nothing will beat having been at the games themselves so recollections & memories are most welcome.
To set the scene, Derby’s qualification for the European (Champions) Cup was at a time when only the league winners (and the European Cup holders) qualified for the tournament. At that stage, only one English club had even reached the final, let alone won it – that being Manchester Utd in 1968 under Sir Matt Busby. Therefore Derby were bidding to become only the second English club to be crowned Champions of Europe – no small challenge considering our European debut had been delayed following disqualification from the 1970-71 Fairs Cup for ‘financial irregularities’.
50 years ago today then, we began our 1972-73 European Cup campaign against the Yugoslav champions FK Zeljeznicar at the Baseball Ground. Zeljeznicar were based in Sarajevo in what we now know as Bosnia & like Derby they had also won their maiden title the season before, beating the challenge of illustrious names such as Red Star Belgrade, Dynamo Zagreb, Partizan Belgrade & Hadjuk Split.
Here are the beaming first XI of Zeljeznicar with their suitably austere Communist-era title trophy;

 
Onto the game - despite the pretty physical opponent, Derby were able to secure a 2-0 advantage going into the second leg in Yugoslavia - goals coming from Roy McFarland & Archie Gemmill either side of half time. Match report below;

 

 
John O’Hare closely marked by two Zeljeznicar defenders during the match;

 
Programme from the match to mark the occasion;

 
Full round up of results elsewhere in Round 1 – second legs due to be played two weeks later on 27th September;

So following on from Sir Alan Hinton sending me over his treasured signed and worn White Hummel boots to restore and share things then moved on a step further, Alans two younger brothers Roy and Brian came over to visit me, they brought some more of his books over from the publisher who is based near to where they live, as you can see from the photo there is no mistaking them for any other than Hintons, they were great company and full of stories of their older brother who was obviously their hero growing up before he was famous.
I have known Alan a long time maybe twenty years since he first came over to my mum and dads house with John O'hare for a cup of tea and we have always stayed in contact and i have always been over to see him whenever he comes to the UK which is most years so he knows what i am about and my ethics and what i try to do in putting together the history of teh club mainly through the shirts but also many other items of intrest that i rarely post.
I am not some sad old anorak i am a normal fella with a beautiful wife and a great son 12 year old son and a dad who i treasure and include him with what i do as it was him who started me on Derby County from birth so he can now endure the obsession as its his fault, i have built up an acquaintance and in some cases a friendship with many of the ex Derby County players especially those form the 70s and 80s for the obvious reasons that the team from 1968 to 1976 was legendary and the team from 1982 to 1990 was the one that i grew up with in my teen years and went on that fantastic journey with them, i am a genuine person and my collection is built upon trust that i wont use it for financial gain.
So back to Alan, himself and the family want me to put many of Alans Derby County related items into my collection, these will be shared with the DCFC family through events with the Rams Heritage Trust that many of you know i am one of the founding trustees with Jamie, Paul & Joe, we all have the clubs intrest at heart and our aim is to work closely with the new owner and to try and find a way of a display area being set up within Pride Park and maybe attach it to the ground tour, very much in the way that Arsenal have done it so well, made it all about the history of the club not just trophies. i will of course share items online as always, mainly through my twitter feed @phillowe1 as that way people can follow it who want to see it and it doesn't bore those who don't wish to see it.
I have built up a a good reputation online with many other football historians and collectors and work closely with Andy Ellis & Jason Shardlow on the book that we did and is updated each year with new content based on the shirt collection and the colours of the rams from 1884, i also speak with and spent time with Peter Seddon who endorsed the Racecourse Shirt collection of the first five shirts worn by Derby County, he actually is one of the 12 members of the collection.
There are some great items so i will post them over the next few days and hopefully this will become one of those posts that you can come back to each time you see it appear on the time line as new content will have been added.
Finally how great it is that we have our club back, for one moment a few weeks back i thought that we had reached the end game !
massive respect to David Clowes who really is just one of us ! 
Up the rams !!
 
 

I spend a lot of time on all the dna sites on behalf of several people. I find it interesting but it is not for everyone. If you are happy with who you think your parents and your relatives are then maybe it is best not to open Pandora's Box.
If you are just interested in the health side of your dna then once you've got your raw data from the genealogy/dna site then you can upload it to other sites to get a report about possible problems with your dna for free or for very little money. I think it is important to know if you a carrier of a bad gene. One of my relatives was a carrier of a very rare bad gene and by bad luck his partner was also a carrier. The outcome for their child was not good.
Although Ancestry Dna has the biggest database it is not as useful as 23andme or Myheritage because Ancestry Dna does not have a chromosome browser. If you are interested in genealogy you often need to know which chromosomes have the dna segments you share with your relatives in order to find common ancestors.