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Just a 'business meeting' that just happens to have wine and nibbles surely ?

Re the 'City' vs 'AFC' argument. If we were to be called Derby City then I reckon you'd quickly have commentators saying 'And City got back into it when..' or 'City fell behind when..' which would just be weird to get used to. Go with AFC and what happens is everyone just drops the AFC bit and would just say 'Derby'. IMHO of course...
Anyway, it's not over yet B4, chin up mate there's still people fighting to save our club. Some of us have been here before when all seemed hopeless and we managed to survive somehow so hopefully a way can be found with a bit of flexibility and pragmatism on all sides.
We're not looking to just wipe out the debt and storm back into the top flight waving two fingers at people, we're just trying to find a way that our club can continue to operate, hopefully no lower than League 1. Some kind of deal is going to have to be struck with HMRC if this is to happen though but as long as all parties are still talking there is always hope.
Re other teams fans, it looks to me that a certain vocal section of fans want blood but there are also many messages in amongst that even from Bristol City and Boro messageboards that can see that (as always) it is the fans that get the shi**y end of the stick and many (even most) just seem to want to see us take our medicine for a bit not cease to exist entirely.

Re the 'City' vs 'AFC' argument. If we were to be called Derby City then I reckon you'd quickly have commentators saying 'And City got back into it when..' or 'City fell behind when..' which would just be weird to get used to. Go with AFC and what happens is everyone just drops the AFC bit and would just say 'Derby'. IMHO of course...
Anyway, it's not over yet B4, chin up mate there's still people fighting to save our club. Some of us have been here before when all seemed hopeless and we managed to survive somehow so hopefully a way can be found with a bit of flexibility and pragmatism on all sides.
We're not looking to just wipe out the debt and storm back into the top flight waving two fingers at people, we're just trying to find a way that our club can continue to operate, hopefully no lower than League 1. Some kind of deal is going to have to be struck with HMRC if this is to happen though but as long as all parties are still talking there is always hope.
Re other teams fans, it looks to me that a certain vocal section of fans want blood but there are also many messages in amongst that even from Bristol City and Boro messageboards that can see that (as always) it is the fans that get the shi**y end of the stick and many (even most) just seem to want to see us take our medicine for a bit not cease to exist entirely.

Re the 'City' vs 'AFC' argument. If we were to be called Derby City then I reckon you'd quickly have commentators saying 'And City got back into it when..' or 'City fell behind when..' which would just be weird to get used to. Go with AFC and what happens is everyone just drops the AFC bit and would just say 'Derby'. IMHO of course...
Anyway, it's not over yet B4, chin up mate there's still people fighting to save our club. Some of us have been here before when all seemed hopeless and we managed to survive somehow so hopefully a way can be found with a bit of flexibility and pragmatism on all sides.
We're not looking to just wipe out the debt and storm back into the top flight waving two fingers at people, we're just trying to find a way that our club can continue to operate, hopefully no lower than League 1. Some kind of deal is going to have to be struck with HMRC if this is to happen though but as long as all parties are still talking there is always hope.
Re other teams fans, it looks to me that a certain vocal section of fans want blood but there are also many messages in amongst that even from Bristol City and Boro messageboards that can see that (as always) it is the fans that get the shi**y end of the stick and many (even most) just seem to want to see us take our medicine for a bit not cease to exist entirely.

Re the 'City' vs 'AFC' argument. If we were to be called Derby City then I reckon you'd quickly have commentators saying 'And City got back into it when..' or 'City fell behind when..' which would just be weird to get used to. Go with AFC and what happens is everyone just drops the AFC bit and would just say 'Derby'. IMHO of course...
Anyway, it's not over yet B4, chin up mate there's still people fighting to save our club. Some of us have been here before when all seemed hopeless and we managed to survive somehow so hopefully a way can be found with a bit of flexibility and pragmatism on all sides.
We're not looking to just wipe out the debt and storm back into the top flight waving two fingers at people, we're just trying to find a way that our club can continue to operate, hopefully no lower than League 1. Some kind of deal is going to have to be struck with HMRC if this is to happen though but as long as all parties are still talking there is always hope.
Re other teams fans, it looks to me that a certain vocal section of fans want blood but there are also many messages in amongst that even from Bristol City and Boro messageboards that can see that (as always) it is the fans that get the shi**y end of the stick and many (even most) just seem to want to see us take our medicine for a bit not cease to exist entirely.

I think this is a very valid point. There is so much expectation because he looks absolute quality but we need to be wary of over-relying on his return to fitness and effectiveness. We've watched quality players before who never really recovered. Hopefully he will be back and strolling around bossing things but we need to just be a careful that we are not expecting too much too soon.
He's had such a long time out that only part of the challenge will be getting his body right. He's a lot younger than me but as someone who has had a bad knee injury it does play on your mind and even when I was back up and running I was aware that I was playing it a bit safe with any sports or exercise that I was doing. My physio helped me rebuild the structures around my knee and address some of the mental side but getting past it was a battle in the head as much as it was on the physio table or the gym. I still have a nagging doubt when my left leg is at full extension. 
Clubs employ sports psychologists to work on these things with players with long-term injuries but it is still going to be down to the individual to a degree and how they react and how mentally strong they are. We just don't know what kind of Bielik will return at the moment. Of course, it would be massive for us if he is anywhere close to what we saw in that purple patch so fingers crossed for him.

I'm willing to bet he's quicker than the CBs we currently have in the first team ?

This. 
There also needs to be a future more generous add-ons format that better reflects the contribution made by the club that develops the player up to the age of 17, one that means payments are due from whatever club owns the player when they reach it, such that those rights can't be traded, they stay with the player. 

Wouldn't surprise me but we are well past a measured and reasonable grievance now. The man seems obsessed with the destruction of DCFC and given that we have now belatedly followed due process with the EFL and taken our punishment then his actions seem extremely vindictive given that there is no realistic prospect of him seeing that money because we are already on the brink of financial oblivion. Not sure where he is expecting another 45 quid to come from never mind 45 million.
It's hard to conclude that it is anything other than a deliberate attempt to to sabotage the potential rescue of the club from liquidation by delaying the conclusion of a potential sale of the club which would almost certainly kill DCFC as surely as actually winning the case. Currently Gibson and Boro seem to be attempting to drive another club out of business and it is one man's personal crusade.
There are several clubs that I can't stand but I'm a football fan and whatever the rivalries and grievances I would seriously hope that DCFC were never the cause of a football club ceasing to exist. Boro better hope that they never need a bit of understanding and slack from other clubs in order to continue to stay afloat.
To be fair, (and as someone else said earlier) apart from the some fanatics it seems that there is a subtle change of the mood music from fans of other clubs now that we have eventually fronted up and taken our penalties as agreed with the EFL and some grudging admiration for the spirit shown at the weekend. That is clearly not enough for some though but we've taken our medicine from the EFL and now we'd like to be able to turn our attention to hopefully ensuring the continued existence of the club that we all love. You'd hope that other football folk would have some empathy for that at least.

Wouldn't surprise me but we are well past a measured and reasonable grievance now. The man seems obsessed with the destruction of DCFC and given that we have now belatedly followed due process with the EFL and taken our punishment then his actions seem extremely vindictive given that there is no realistic prospect of him seeing that money because we are already on the brink of financial oblivion. Not sure where he is expecting another 45 quid to come from never mind 45 million.
It's hard to conclude that it is anything other than a deliberate attempt to to sabotage the potential rescue of the club from liquidation by delaying the conclusion of a potential sale of the club which would almost certainly kill DCFC as surely as actually winning the case. Currently Gibson and Boro seem to be attempting to drive another club out of business and it is one man's personal crusade.
There are several clubs that I can't stand but I'm a football fan and whatever the rivalries and grievances I would seriously hope that DCFC were never the cause of a football club ceasing to exist. Boro better hope that they never need a bit of understanding and slack from other clubs in order to continue to stay afloat.
To be fair, (and as someone else said earlier) apart from the some fanatics it seems that there is a subtle change of the mood music from fans of other clubs now that we have eventually fronted up and taken our penalties as agreed with the EFL and some grudging admiration for the spirit shown at the weekend. That is clearly not enough for some though but we've taken our medicine from the EFL and now we'd like to be able to turn our attention to hopefully ensuring the continued existence of the club that we all love. You'd hope that other football folk would have some empathy for that at least.

Wouldn't surprise me but we are well past a measured and reasonable grievance now. The man seems obsessed with the destruction of DCFC and given that we have now belatedly followed due process with the EFL and taken our punishment then his actions seem extremely vindictive given that there is no realistic prospect of him seeing that money because we are already on the brink of financial oblivion. Not sure where he is expecting another 45 quid to come from never mind 45 million.
It's hard to conclude that it is anything other than a deliberate attempt to to sabotage the potential rescue of the club from liquidation by delaying the conclusion of a potential sale of the club which would almost certainly kill DCFC as surely as actually winning the case. Currently Gibson and Boro seem to be attempting to drive another club out of business and it is one man's personal crusade.
There are several clubs that I can't stand but I'm a football fan and whatever the rivalries and grievances I would seriously hope that DCFC were never the cause of a football club ceasing to exist. Boro better hope that they never need a bit of understanding and slack from other clubs in order to continue to stay afloat.
To be fair, (and as someone else said earlier) apart from the some fanatics it seems that there is a subtle change of the mood music from fans of other clubs now that we have eventually fronted up and taken our penalties as agreed with the EFL and some grudging admiration for the spirit shown at the weekend. That is clearly not enough for some though but we've taken our medicine from the EFL and now we'd like to be able to turn our attention to hopefully ensuring the continued existence of the club that we all love. You'd hope that other football folk would have some empathy for that at least.

Wouldn't surprise me but we are well past a measured and reasonable grievance now. The man seems obsessed with the destruction of DCFC and given that we have now belatedly followed due process with the EFL and taken our punishment then his actions seem extremely vindictive given that there is no realistic prospect of him seeing that money because we are already on the brink of financial oblivion. Not sure where he is expecting another 45 quid to come from never mind 45 million.
It's hard to conclude that it is anything other than a deliberate attempt to to sabotage the potential rescue of the club from liquidation by delaying the conclusion of a potential sale of the club which would almost certainly kill DCFC as surely as actually winning the case. Currently Gibson and Boro seem to be attempting to drive another club out of business and it is one man's personal crusade.
There are several clubs that I can't stand but I'm a football fan and whatever the rivalries and grievances I would seriously hope that DCFC were never the cause of a football club ceasing to exist. Boro better hope that they never need a bit of understanding and slack from other clubs in order to continue to stay afloat.
To be fair, (and as someone else said earlier) apart from the some fanatics it seems that there is a subtle change of the mood music from fans of other clubs now that we have eventually fronted up and taken our penalties as agreed with the EFL and some grudging admiration for the spirit shown at the weekend. That is clearly not enough for some though but we've taken our medicine from the EFL and now we'd like to be able to turn our attention to hopefully ensuring the continued existence of the club that we all love. You'd hope that other football folk would have some empathy for that at least.

Wouldn't surprise me but we are well past a measured and reasonable grievance now. The man seems obsessed with the destruction of DCFC and given that we have now belatedly followed due process with the EFL and taken our punishment then his actions seem extremely vindictive given that there is no realistic prospect of him seeing that money because we are already on the brink of financial oblivion. Not sure where he is expecting another 45 quid to come from never mind 45 million.
It's hard to conclude that it is anything other than a deliberate attempt to to sabotage the potential rescue of the club from liquidation by delaying the conclusion of a potential sale of the club which would almost certainly kill DCFC as surely as actually winning the case. Currently Gibson and Boro seem to be attempting to drive another club out of business and it is one man's personal crusade.
There are several clubs that I can't stand but I'm a football fan and whatever the rivalries and grievances I would seriously hope that DCFC were never the cause of a football club ceasing to exist. Boro better hope that they never need a bit of understanding and slack from other clubs in order to continue to stay afloat.
To be fair, (and as someone else said earlier) apart from the some fanatics it seems that there is a subtle change of the mood music from fans of other clubs now that we have eventually fronted up and taken our penalties as agreed with the EFL and some grudging admiration for the spirit shown at the weekend. That is clearly not enough for some though but we've taken our medicine from the EFL and now we'd like to be able to turn our attention to hopefully ensuring the continued existence of the club that we all love. You'd hope that other football folk would have some empathy for that at least.

The EFL have been all over us like a rash for the recent financial stuff (understandable to a point given how the club has been run) but totally missing in action so far with the latest revelations of Boro's attempt to sue us which if successful would surely be the death of the club and even if it just stalls a potential sale for a significant would be much the same outcome. Lets be clear, this legal action if successful is an existential threat to the future of DCFC.
We are seemingly guilty of using an amortisation method which while legal was (eventually) not deemed acceptable as it was not what others were doing. We then inevitably failed FFP as presumably it was used to keep within that. Punishment though ? Points deductions and relegation have left us battered and bruised but surely potentially ceasing to exist as a club is spectacularly over the top. There seems to be some confusion and lack of understanding from Boro fans about our reaction to this too - most Derby fans are looking to just grudgingly accept this and move on. We will be relegated and suffer financial consequences that will be with us for years. Job done, well done Boro, you win.
The EFL talk about drawing a line under things with the punishment which, catastrophic as it is (pretty much guaranteed relegation with this points deduction and threadbare squad stripped of remaining assets in Jan..), most fans have taken this on the chin and just want to try and move on from but Gibson and Boro are trying to prevent that from happening. If the EFL do nothing to try to head off/apply pressure against this business of one EFL club suing another then they will have by inaction have directly contributed to the demise of one of their own members. For any gloating fans of other clubs, just put yourself in the place of a fellow football fan. Another club is trying to wipe your club out of existence. How would you feel ? Regardless of the rights and wrongs actions of departed owners, it is always the fans who have to pick up the pieces afterwards with whatever is left of their club in whatever division they find themselves.

The EFL have been all over us like a rash for the recent financial stuff (understandable to a point given how the club has been run) but totally missing in action so far with the latest revelations of Boro's attempt to sue us which if successful would surely be the death of the club and even if it just stalls a potential sale for a significant would be much the same outcome. Lets be clear, this legal action if successful is an existential threat to the future of DCFC.
We are seemingly guilty of using an amortisation method which while legal was (eventually) not deemed acceptable as it was not what others were doing. We then inevitably failed FFP as presumably it was used to keep within that. Punishment though ? Points deductions and relegation have left us battered and bruised but surely potentially ceasing to exist as a club is spectacularly over the top. There seems to be some confusion and lack of understanding from Boro fans about our reaction to this too - most Derby fans are looking to just grudgingly accept this and move on. We will be relegated and suffer financial consequences that will be with us for years. Job done, well done Boro, you win.
The EFL talk about drawing a line under things with the punishment which, catastrophic as it is (pretty much guaranteed relegation with this points deduction and threadbare squad stripped of remaining assets in Jan..), most fans have taken this on the chin and just want to try and move on from but Gibson and Boro are trying to prevent that from happening. If the EFL do nothing to try to head off/apply pressure against this business of one EFL club suing another then they will have by inaction have directly contributed to the demise of one of their own members. For any gloating fans of other clubs, just put yourself in the place of a fellow football fan. Another club is trying to wipe your club out of existence. How would you feel ? Regardless of the rights and wrongs actions of departed owners, it is always the fans who have to pick up the pieces afterwards with whatever is left of their club in whatever division they find themselves.

The EFL have been all over us like a rash for the recent financial stuff (understandable to a point given how the club has been run) but totally missing in action so far with the latest revelations of Boro's attempt to sue us which if successful would surely be the death of the club and even if it just stalls a potential sale for a significant would be much the same outcome. Lets be clear, this legal action if successful is an existential threat to the future of DCFC.
We are seemingly guilty of using an amortisation method which while legal was (eventually) not deemed acceptable as it was not what others were doing. We then inevitably failed FFP as presumably it was used to keep within that. Punishment though ? Points deductions and relegation have left us battered and bruised but surely potentially ceasing to exist as a club is spectacularly over the top. There seems to be some confusion and lack of understanding from Boro fans about our reaction to this too - most Derby fans are looking to just grudgingly accept this and move on. We will be relegated and suffer financial consequences that will be with us for years. Job done, well done Boro, you win.
The EFL talk about drawing a line under things with the punishment which, catastrophic as it is (pretty much guaranteed relegation with this points deduction and threadbare squad stripped of remaining assets in Jan..), most fans have taken this on the chin and just want to try and move on from but Gibson and Boro are trying to prevent that from happening. If the EFL do nothing to try to head off/apply pressure against this business of one EFL club suing another then they will have by inaction have directly contributed to the demise of one of their own members. For any gloating fans of other clubs, just put yourself in the place of a fellow football fan. Another club is trying to wipe your club out of existence. How would you feel ? Regardless of the rights and wrongs actions of departed owners, it is always the fans who have to pick up the pieces afterwards with whatever is left of their club in whatever division they find themselves.

The EFL have been all over us like a rash for the recent financial stuff (understandable to a point given how the club has been run) but totally missing in action so far with the latest revelations of Boro's attempt to sue us which if successful would surely be the death of the club and even if it just stalls a potential sale for a significant would be much the same outcome. Lets be clear, this legal action if successful is an existential threat to the future of DCFC.
We are seemingly guilty of using an amortisation method which while legal was (eventually) not deemed acceptable as it was not what others were doing. We then inevitably failed FFP as presumably it was used to keep within that. Punishment though ? Points deductions and relegation have left us battered and bruised but surely potentially ceasing to exist as a club is spectacularly over the top. There seems to be some confusion and lack of understanding from Boro fans about our reaction to this too - most Derby fans are looking to just grudgingly accept this and move on. We will be relegated and suffer financial consequences that will be with us for years. Job done, well done Boro, you win.
The EFL talk about drawing a line under things with the punishment which, catastrophic as it is (pretty much guaranteed relegation with this points deduction and threadbare squad stripped of remaining assets in Jan..), most fans have taken this on the chin and just want to try and move on from but Gibson and Boro are trying to prevent that from happening. If the EFL do nothing to try to head off/apply pressure against this business of one EFL club suing another then they will have by inaction have directly contributed to the demise of one of their own members. For any gloating fans of other clubs, just put yourself in the place of a fellow football fan. Another club is trying to wipe your club out of existence. How would you feel ? Regardless of the rights and wrongs actions of departed owners, it is always the fans who have to pick up the pieces afterwards with whatever is left of their club in whatever division they find themselves.

The EFL have been all over us like a rash for the recent financial stuff (understandable to a point given how the club has been run) but totally missing in action so far with the latest revelations of Boro's attempt to sue us which if successful would surely be the death of the club and even if it just stalls a potential sale for a significant would be much the same outcome. Lets be clear, this legal action if successful is an existential threat to the future of DCFC.
We are seemingly guilty of using an amortisation method which while legal was (eventually) not deemed acceptable as it was not what others were doing. We then inevitably failed FFP as presumably it was used to keep within that. Punishment though ? Points deductions and relegation have left us battered and bruised but surely potentially ceasing to exist as a club is spectacularly over the top. There seems to be some confusion and lack of understanding from Boro fans about our reaction to this too - most Derby fans are looking to just grudgingly accept this and move on. We will be relegated and suffer financial consequences that will be with us for years. Job done, well done Boro, you win.
The EFL talk about drawing a line under things with the punishment which, catastrophic as it is (pretty much guaranteed relegation with this points deduction and threadbare squad stripped of remaining assets in Jan..), most fans have taken this on the chin and just want to try and move on from but Gibson and Boro are trying to prevent that from happening. If the EFL do nothing to try to head off/apply pressure against this business of one EFL club suing another then they will have by inaction have directly contributed to the demise of one of their own members. For any gloating fans of other clubs, just put yourself in the place of a fellow football fan. Another club is trying to wipe your club out of existence. How would you feel ? Regardless of the rights and wrongs actions of departed owners, it is always the fans who have to pick up the pieces afterwards with whatever is left of their club in whatever division they find themselves.

The EFL have been all over us like a rash for the recent financial stuff (understandable to a point given how the club has been run) but totally missing in action so far with the latest revelations of Boro's attempt to sue us which if successful would surely be the death of the club and even if it just stalls a potential sale for a significant would be much the same outcome. Lets be clear, this legal action if successful is an existential threat to the future of DCFC.
We are seemingly guilty of using an amortisation method which while legal was (eventually) not deemed acceptable as it was not what others were doing. We then inevitably failed FFP as presumably it was used to keep within that. Punishment though ? Points deductions and relegation have left us battered and bruised but surely potentially ceasing to exist as a club is spectacularly over the top. There seems to be some confusion and lack of understanding from Boro fans about our reaction to this too - most Derby fans are looking to just grudgingly accept this and move on. We will be relegated and suffer financial consequences that will be with us for years. Job done, well done Boro, you win.
The EFL talk about drawing a line under things with the punishment which, catastrophic as it is (pretty much guaranteed relegation with this points deduction and threadbare squad stripped of remaining assets in Jan..), most fans have taken this on the chin and just want to try and move on from but Gibson and Boro are trying to prevent that from happening. If the EFL do nothing to try to head off/apply pressure against this business of one EFL club suing another then they will have by inaction have directly contributed to the demise of one of their own members. For any gloating fans of other clubs, just put yourself in the place of a fellow football fan. Another club is trying to wipe your club out of existence. How would you feel ? Regardless of the rights and wrongs actions of departed owners, it is always the fans who have to pick up the pieces afterwards with whatever is left of their club in whatever division they find themselves.

Obviously it’s not going to happen, but you could imagine if it did?
One football club putting another out of existence over a hypothetical situation constructed in their own heads. The future would be anarchy with clubs suing others for finishing above them for various reasons.
The EFL should stamp it out immediately and actually grow a pair to tell Gibson no for once. He’s like a child and if you keep telling a child yes, they’ll keep asking for more.
The EFL really need to make moves to get football back to being played on the pitch. More and more these days it’s played in disciplinary hearings or the offices of highly-paid solicitors, and people are falling out of love with it because of that.

This would be a whole can of worms for the entire of the football structure. How can you possibly unravel every historical perceived injustice in a fair manner? Lots of clubs have breached rules and regs and have no impact or consequence, possibly for as little as playing an ineligible player in a single game.
It simply isn't fair to stop at Derby so to do it properly you'd have to put football on hold and go back through every potential case because delaying it just adds more 'injustice' and potential revenue to add to the law suit. If a team broke a rule in any way then every subsequent season every other team in that division will claim that they were there under false pretences and could potentially claim based on lost points lost to that team. What then? Re-draw a table from 10 years ago and relegate and/or fine a club for 10 years increased TV money ?
Not sure whether he thinks he'll actually win this or whether he is just trying to cause irreparable damage to DCFC's chances of surviving it's current woes by introducing more uncertainty in DCFC's future and potential buyer pulls out The outcome is much the same, the end of DCFC. If he somehow succeeds then I hope he and the Boro can sleep at night having forced another club out of existence over a 'what might have been'. If any club successfully makes these sorts of claims stick then it is game over for any club who is guilty. There is literally no point in suing a Championship club for 45 million anyway, they'll just go bust.
It is madness of the highest order but the EFL have tacitly encouraged this. There is just no logical stopping point until you have rounded up every past grievance and sent a significant number of clubs under. Whoever is starting these actions needs to take a long hard look at themselves and at the consequences if it worked.

This would be a whole can of worms for the entire of the football structure. How can you possibly unravel every historical perceived injustice in a fair manner? Lots of clubs have breached rules and regs and have no impact or consequence, possibly for as little as playing an ineligible player in a single game.
It simply isn't fair to stop at Derby so to do it properly you'd have to put football on hold and go back through every potential case because delaying it just adds more 'injustice' and potential revenue to add to the law suit. If a team broke a rule in any way then every subsequent season every other team in that division will claim that they were there under false pretences and could potentially claim based on lost points lost to that team. What then? Re-draw a table from 10 years ago and relegate and/or fine a club for 10 years increased TV money ?
Not sure whether he thinks he'll actually win this or whether he is just trying to cause irreparable damage to DCFC's chances of surviving it's current woes by introducing more uncertainty in DCFC's future and potential buyer pulls out The outcome is much the same, the end of DCFC. If he somehow succeeds then I hope he and the Boro can sleep at night having forced another club out of existence over a 'what might have been'. If any club successfully makes these sorts of claims stick then it is game over for any club who is guilty. There is literally no point in suing a Championship club for 45 million anyway, they'll just go bust.
It is madness of the highest order but the EFL have tacitly encouraged this. There is just no logical stopping point until you have rounded up every past grievance and sent a significant number of clubs under. Whoever is starting these actions needs to take a long hard look at themselves and at the consequences if it worked.

Granted my understand of all things football finance wise is limited, but on a pretty basic level although multiple potential buyers would suit the Administrators, if Kirchner isn't trying to outbid anyone and doesn't have to pay any more than the minimum that he needs to then that might be no bad thing in terms of keeping something in reserve to help the rebuild ?

Granted my understand of all things football finance wise is limited, but on a pretty basic level although multiple potential buyers would suit the Administrators, if Kirchner isn't trying to outbid anyone and doesn't have to pay any more than the minimum that he needs to then that might be no bad thing in terms of keeping something in reserve to help the rebuild ?

Yep, there is a disproportionate amount of wages tied up in 3 players, 2 of which have struggled to deliver much on the pitch and the other who was quality but has spent the majority of time injured. I'm sure we can find options that can give us far better bang for our buck plus perhaps trade in on one or two that we'd rather not lose plus find a cheaper option than CKR. Lord knows Clough had his issues and limitations but he showed that you can assemble a competent team on a tight budget if you know where to look.