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Exactly. They all seem completely fair questions (as does 'Have the accounts been filed?'). They all could be answered without 'prejudicing' any discussions with the EFL (whatever that is supposed to mean), or more to the point annoying the EFL. They are all things fans really, and not unreasonably, want to know. The club could quite easily have released notes from the meeting after thinking about their wording, and even running it by the EFL. I find it really hard to believe that the EFL have said 'Don't tell fans ANYTHING about ANY financial aspects of your operation or we will give you a harsher punishment than the facts of the case deserve'. That would be ridiculous, and probably illegal, and if they have said that then all football fans (and the government) should know. 

Think the letter is very reasonable.  They seem to have addressed the issue of representing "all" supporters. The questions asked are reasonable and it is politely worded.
I haven't heard the Radio Derby segment yet but it's a good attempt to try and get a response for me. 

At least the trust have taken their free time to voice concerns raised by the majority of supporters. Something which I can't commit to. They're perfectly fine ask questions of the board.

The letter reads well to me. I’m not sure why fans are getting their knickers in a twist about them ‘not representing me’. The letter asks a number of questions that have been raised in this forum. I doubt they’ll hear anything in response though, such is the clubs complete disregard to its fans.  

Exactly, and it is disappointing if journalists are simply repeating this and not challenging it. It's their job to try to get information out! The only thing that is 'ongoing' is the process of deciding punishment and surely we have no formal role in that (a club doesn't decide its own punishment). And 'the EFL doesn't want us to make them look bad while we informally negotiate an acceptable punishment' isn't an excuse for complete radio silence, either. If the EFL doesn't want the club to mention things that are in dispute, that's one thing. But that leaves plenty that they could say. 

The idea of losing the flow of information from the club if they speak out against the club in anyway would be a real concern if there was any flow of information at all. As it stands, there is actually virtually nothing to lose.

I'd like to add a touch of positivity about comms from the club.
 
I sent an email to the ticket office at 8am friday morning, Twenty minutes ago I got an email response to my ticketing query. 
 
Now admittedly it was an "Automated response" confirming that they had received my email....
 
and admittedly i did email the ticket office LAST friday. And its taken a week for them to process the automated response. 
 
Lets just hope i havent missed out on forest tickets.....

Exactly, and it is disappointing if journalists are simply repeating this and not challenging it. It's their job to try to get information out! The only thing that is 'ongoing' is the process of deciding punishment and surely we have no formal role in that (a club doesn't decide its own punishment). And 'the EFL doesn't want us to make them look bad while we informally negotiate an acceptable punishment' isn't an excuse for complete radio silence, either. If the EFL doesn't want the club to mention things that are in dispute, that's one thing. But that leaves plenty that they could say. 

seems an odd statement, I thought the DC stuff had ended.  It was now up to the club to present restated accounts and the EFL to decide on any penalty based on the standard points per breach?

1 Confirmation that they have met the sanction imposed by the IDC. IE Fine paid and revised accounts submitted
2 Whether a timescale for response from the EFL has been agreed, if so approx dates.
3 Are any steps being taken to resolve other current EFL sanctions ie HMRC and transfer instalments OR are these reliant on takeover completion.
 
Some reasonable and possible bits of info

Why on earth would they agree to 'make no further comment' if this includes, for example, not saying they have submitted the accounts once they have done so? Or telling fans why the non-payment of transfer fees has appeared on our charge sheet again? Or saying anything, however non-specific, about their commitment to paying money owed and protecting the long-term financial future of the club? Why not respond in kind to the anonymous briefings one assumes are coming from the EFL? Who agrees to something like that? It would be crazy. And what would it get us? Do we think the EFL will punish us harder if we tell fans what's going on with filing the accounts, or why we haven't paid the taxman? Why, if there's a positive story to tell? Harder than what exactly? This feels like it's going to a hearing anyway. Why would the EFL tell the owners 'You aren't allowed to say anything reassuring to fans about the club's finances', and why would the club agree? I could understand the EFL not wanting a war or words, and the club agreeing to this, even agreeing to run statements by the EFL.
But complete silence? At a time like this? It's just not plausible. 

Exactly. The idea that we might have agreed to say nothing on the matter - literally nothing, not even 'we can't say much about this while negotiations are ongoing but want to reassure fans that X, y, z' - is frankly absurd. They know how worried fans are. They aren't talking because they don't want to. You can hardly blame people for assuming this means the situation is pretty bad. The only alternatives are that the club has signed a ridiculous one-way gagging clause with a party with which it's in dispute; or the club doesn't care that fans are worried; or the club is just terrible at communicating. 
The fact is the only communication the club has done is a mandatory meeting, a fair time ago now, and whose participants were slapped with an NDA. At a time when the fans most need to hear from the owners, where are they?
 

Exactly. The idea that we might have agreed to say nothing on the matter - literally nothing, not even 'we can't say much about this while negotiations are ongoing but want to reassure fans that X, y, z' - is frankly absurd. They know how worried fans are. They aren't talking because they don't want to. You can hardly blame people for assuming this means the situation is pretty bad. The only alternatives are that the club has signed a ridiculous one-way gagging clause with a party with which it's in dispute; or the club doesn't care that fans are worried; or the club is just terrible at communicating. 
The fact is the only communication the club has done is a mandatory meeting, a fair time ago now, and whose participants were slapped with an NDA. At a time when the fans most need to hear from the owners, where are they?
 

Exactly. The idea that we might have agreed to say nothing on the matter - literally nothing, not even 'we can't say much about this while negotiations are ongoing but want to reassure fans that X, y, z' - is frankly absurd. They know how worried fans are. They aren't talking because they don't want to. You can hardly blame people for assuming this means the situation is pretty bad. The only alternatives are that the club has signed a ridiculous one-way gagging clause with a party with which it's in dispute; or the club doesn't care that fans are worried; or the club is just terrible at communicating. 
The fact is the only communication the club has done is a mandatory meeting, a fair time ago now, and whose participants were slapped with an NDA. At a time when the fans most need to hear from the owners, where are they?
 

I appreciate they might not be able to tell us everything but the issue is that they aren't saying anything. What process or agreement would stop them saying 'We have provided x and y and are confident that blah blah'? It's just terrible communications. 

All we have are assumptions.
Owing to the disgusting lack of communication from the football club.

Hopefully some of our younger players learn from watching him play. As someone said elsewhere, a player like Sibley is currently limited by the fact he needs space to look dangerous, and he doesn't get that at Championship level now he's a know quantity. Morrison on the other hand always seems to have time, he makes it with his positioning and first touch and then makes quick decisions about what to do next. It's a mark of real class and rare (maybe Will Hughes has something similar). Maybe it can be taught/learned, maybe not, but I'm glad he's around.

Underrated:  Jozwiak & Roos
Overrated :    Sibley & CKR

Lots of positives, but once again no win.
Things we need:
A stronger bench/squad
A bit of luck

Such a committed press. Attitude looks absolutely spot on (credit to Rooney as well as the players)

Lots of positives, but once again no win.
Things we need:
A stronger bench/squad
A bit of luck

Jozwiak having a great game here love him 
 

Such a committed press. Attitude looks absolutely spot on (credit to Rooney as well as the players)

Such a committed press. Attitude looks absolutely spot on (credit to Rooney as well as the players)

Such a committed press. Attitude looks absolutely spot on (credit to Rooney as well as the players)