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I welcome this, its not about you, its the people you potentially infect, the elderly and vulnerable including your relatives.  People are still laughing at masks and not trusting vaccines, that fine, you have a choice, but so does DCFC and they have a duty of care to their fans!!!  Just as you have a right not to be vaccinated or want to wear a mask, DCFCs has a right to refuse you entry! 
At least we are not at the point of compulsory vaccination like some countries in the EU.  You 'still' have a choice, life is full of choices, but, you need to accept your choices sometimes have consequences.  I've personally had 3 jabs and the flu jab, why to keep myself and my relative safe.
Its simple if you want entry get jabbed, if your not exempt and don't want to get jabbed, you have to accept the consequences of not being allowed in, its a choice....
An anti-vaxer and campaigner who attended lots of C19 anti-vaccination rallies who lived in Willington, is no longer with us, sadly, he endured a terrible fate on a ventilator which lasted for about 10 weeks and ultimately died. 
Lets all stay as safe ae we can, be it by taking the vaccination or by respecting the rules by not attending the game, we all have a choice!   

The point being those players should have been there as emergency backup in their positions. Sort of like the roles Wes Brown, O'Shea, etc had at Man Utd. Capable of filling in, but not good enoigh as a regular starter - as evidenced when they eventually moved on.
In 15/16, we had Pearce, Shotton and Buxton as 4th, 5th and 6th choice CBs, playing for a total of 261 minutes in the league. Rawson could easily have stepped in as 4th choice instead, and showed he was capable enough based on his loan out to Rotherham. Hanson didn't look out of place in the team yet hardly featured again in following seasons.
16/17, Blackman, Camara and Weimann 4th, 5th and 6th choice wingers played for less than a combined 1000 minutes. Those should have been given to Bennett (who only played for 23). Lowe was exceptional when he came into the side in 16/17, including a memorable man of the match display vs Wolves. But, he had Forsyth and Olsson on senior player wages so shived down the pecking order.
17/18, Shackell 0 minutes, Butterfield 157, Palmer 426 and Anya 302. Are you telling me Rawson, Hanson and Elsnik couldn't have played those roles and not been just as good? We owned Vydra, Martin, Jerome, Nugent and Bent plus Winnall on loan. We only needed 2 of them, with Jacobsen as backup.

Interesting that Morris seems to be calling for more regulations now, when he spent much of his tenure using loopholes to avoid many of the regulations that were already in place and indeed received a 9 point deduction for this. I have trouble believing he would have any more respect for any new authority and their rules than he did for the ones already in place. Tried to be too clever, it didn’t work, I’m sure we’d be in the same place no matter the regulatory body or the regulations themselves.
The other 12 points is solely down to him not wanting to play with the toys he bought anymore. 

But he hasn’t said that.  Some random journalist (who’s based in Paris according to LinkedIn) has written an entire article based on a nine word tweet.  And he spelt ‘precedent’ as ‘president’!!

It is a fair point.
Mel keeping the stadium has put a lot of people's backs up, but it could have been a clever move. Had that been part of the club, liquidation could have been the easier option, as the stadium gets sold off to pay debts.
The only saving grace at the minute is, liquidation doesn't really generate that much to pay everyone off, 15 million max for the players, in the event of liquidation we would probably get half that if lucky.
I suppose it is in everyone's interests the club keeps going and a payment plan set up.

Not well-versed in finance, but Derby have been in financial problems before (we seem twinned, I am always losing money to bet365). Perhaps we need to make an agreement with the HMRC to pay the entire sum in full, but that half of it is received at once & the remainder is paid in instalments (staggered) over a set/agreed time period between both parties, as well as an agreement in principle that more will be paid in the event of a successful sale of a player for a good fee, a particularly good cup run (you never know/wishful thinking) - just like loans can be repaid early.
This might offer prospective purchasers a bit more wiggle room. It is still a lot of money to find during a season but @Ravabeerbelly's posts were interesting & chastening reading*, but if we/the administrators show that we are committed to paying the debt in full (painful as that is), then they may begin to show a bit more flexibility regarding scheduling of repayments over a period of say, 4 years (5 at most if possible) with the proviso that the club doesn't want such an albatross hanging around its neck indefinitely either. In the meantime, any new incoming owner might actually attract others to join him or invest, just like we had the LoG, or GSE attempted to attract investors. This investment could see money reassigned elsewhere to paying debts/the HMRC.
The HMRC may be playing hard-ball if we are appearing to ask for a reduction in what is a test case. In the end, none of us want Derby to get liquidated and in a worse case scenario, a re-founded club would emerge, but if we are seen to be accepting of the full amount owed and simply asking for a bit of common-sense in terms of how it is paid, then perhaps they may be more accommodating.
Much mockery of our 11pts was made, but half of our PL revenue was assigned to pay off the long-standing debt of £53m+ rather than on signings. It was probably the only plus of that dreadful season & a sensible, if pragmatic decision. Perhaps this could be used as evidence to show that the club has made good on pay outstanding debts when in a financial position to do so.
* He was basically telling the lay-person like myself, or consoling our bitter disappointment at seeing our best players picked off in a January fire-sale with the fact that it is the club which is the going concern, along & its fan-base

This isn't to say that the hyopthetical other manager is guaranteed to fare any better, but...
Would another manager play Jason Knight at left wing, nullifying any attacking threat he may possess? Would another manager keep choosing a right hand sifde of Byrne & Ebosele when they're clearly not suited to playing together? Would another manager take a Polish international winger, give him a defensive / covering role in the team before discarding him because of defensive lapses, never actually allowing him to play in the role he was signed for?
Would a different manager have managed Sibley in a way that he seems so frustrated every time he appears (out of position) that he now looks like an also-ran in our U23s? Would another manager be so worried about a CM picking up too many bookings that he plays 3 CMs who possess practically zero goal threat?
Would another manager fight to bring in a 3rd CB as cover but hardly ever sub him on even when we need to hold onto a point (or 3)? 
These aren't decisions dictated by our 'situation', they're managerial choices. We don't have loads of options, we don't always have good options, but we do have options!
Again, we have no way of knowing for sure what would have happened had different choices been made but it doesn't mean that what he does do is beyond question.
I'd just hate for us to get to this point next season in League One and still see most of the same or similar issues keep popping up and costing us points, having buried my head in the sand for 2 years and put any and all shortcomings down to 'the situation'.
It may make it seem like I'm being unnecessarily harsh on Rooney, but I don't mean it that way. I just can't compartmentalise and lock away my doubts like some other seem to be able to.
Ideally it will be totally different next season, the lessons Rooney should be learning from this season (and last, even though some don't seem to want to acknowledge it) may all come together and he leads us back to The Championship with relative ease.

Yes, it seems there's lots of conjecture based on very little evidence.

I believe he is legally prevented from doing so. When placing your company into liquidation, you hand over all control to the administrators- and the club is not your business any longer. As a result, I can’t see any way that Mel Morris could pay HMRC now and them accept that as settlement of the debt. For instance, if any of us called up HMRC today and offered to pay £10 towards Derby’s debt, I don’t think they could accept it (not that I’m about to try and test that!). Now Mel Morris has walked away from the club, he’s treated no differently to us in that regard.
The same goes for all the other creditors- we can’t clear the debts on behalf of Mel or the club. But the St Johns Ambulance fundraiser was outstanding, a touch of class from the fans.
Also, the basis for placing a business in administration is that you can’t pay your debts. So if Mel paid off his debts a couple of months after filing for administration, I suspect that Companies House/HMRC/other creditors/the fraud police (?!) might have some questions about that!
Finally, if Mel had cleared all or part of the HMRC debt before administration, surely we would have failed P&S by an eye-watering amount. To spend c.£28m without corresponding income makes it impossible to limit losses to £13m per year on average.
I am not defending Mel, really I’m not. He should have run this club much smarter, and he sanctioned costs that we’re unsustainable-putting us where we are now. I’m just pointing out that this is a web he spun over a matter of 5 or 6 years, and there’s no easy unravelling of the mess he made.
And there is no excuse for not clearing the St John Ambulance debt and some other amounts owed to local businesses before he left. What damage would £50k or so have done to the DCFC balance sheet? Nothing, relatively speaking. But it might have been crucial income for the charities and local businesses who now stand to receive very little.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens if Kitchener and his agent don’t get preferred bidder status

Exactly this, which is why I would have liked a middle option.
I feel like Rooney needs to be braver, but so do his players. 
Off the field, he has been a star. 

I think he's making it hard for us to win by playing too defensively,  look at the Bournemouth game and today, try playing tooo much keep ball in the 1st half of both and we invite the opposition into our half and let them know we pose no threat, this leads to increased risk of errors and I'm not with the 'we have no options' brigade.
We played 5 defenders today and 5 midfielders where only 1 is a real attacking threat, and in those,we play players out of position. Knight on the left? He looks limited but more comfortable on the right because of his energy and it's his natural foot. 
The comments about Jozwiak and Sibley being poor this season,  how many times have they been played in their best position 'with' the correct support around them?
Pick the best player available in the position they play, and if that means Plange up front because Stretton is injured and CKR isn't fully fit then so be it, if he wants Festy in the team and wants the width to come from the full backs, play a 5 so the midfielders can play midfield instead of pseudo full backs and keep getting caught out of position! 
I feel he's too stubborn on a system which we don't have the right players available,  his set up needs two quick ball playing CH's and lightning quick strong FB's, 2 Bieliks available for midfield and a world beater up top as they never have any support.
I honestly believe we are better than the results,  trust the kids, play them in the right position and tell them to pass the bloody ball forwards instead of incessantly back!
 

This thread reminds of me and my dad having a very similar discussion in 1984.  We decided no-one.   Non-league football for me.  How it should be - honest football, no razzmatazz and played at 3:00 on a Saturday or 7:45 on a Tuesday/Wednesday.

Already do. Now that’s what I call football. Players who play for the love of the game with welcoming people, reasonably priced food and drinks and we see a lot more wins than at PP. 

What the Quantuma guy actually said was "later this month". It's 3rd December. 

For me it's a show of support for a fellow football fan, no matter how young he was. 
No doubt he would have gone on to attend football games had things been different.
You are right, we clap a lot of people, hold minutes silences for many, give symbolic gestures for political movements, it does get a bit much...but
I can't think of anyone who needs a round of applause, or a show of some sort of love as an innocent 5 year old boy who genuinely thought no one loved him.
Forget football, I'd watch my club go to the wall if it brought him back.

Have just seen on Twitter that Birmingham City and Millwall are to remember Arthur in the 6th minute of tomorrow's game, a tribute which is being followed by a number of other clubs fans.
Would be touching if we as a group of supporters could do the same thing, the reports of his case would make a grown man break down in tears.
RIP Arthur

They got their objective which was to have all the possible points deductions applied this season, and quickly, to allow a sale of business (not sale of the players!).
According to the Admins, EFL were dragging their heels and there was the possibility of some points deductions next season. Which could have meant 2 consecutive relegations, or failure to sell the business on.
Remember the Administrators ONLY objective is to maximise how much debt can be paid off to creditors. Seems to me like they succeeded in that aim. 

I can't fathom out if Chris Kirchner sitting next to Wayne Rooney's agent to watch the game is particularly healthy or not? It might be a good thing having a club owner and a manager joined at the hip, it might not. 
I still think Rooney is a somewhat unknown quantity as a manager. He has never played with a full deck. His hands have always been tied behind his back. However, there is absolutely no questioning his knowledge of football. He has lived and breathed it every single day since he was a child. Performed at the very highest level. There is no questioning his ability to motivate our players to perform. I think when he is given an even keel, his tactical nous will mature. There is no questioning his commitment to this club. 
Consider where our league position would be without the points deductions? Not too bad given all the circumstances. 
Please don't think of me as his biggest fan. I don't think of him as saving us from the drop last season. I actually think he almost took us down. This season is different, sadly there are possibly some inevitabilities and I always believe a manager should be given time. 
 

They hired McClaren, almost got promoted, didn't nearly go bust.

Honestly, when you read how some react to their articles, is it any wonder that clickbait trumps old-fashioned reporting of the facts? Suggest we just give Mr Kirschner a warm welcome and roar the lads to victory as I very much doubt the guy would bother flying in for the game if his interest was waning.

I could re-write that article saying CK is coming over to further demonstrate his commitment to buying the club and to see what he can do to help speed up the process. Nothing factual would have changed but it wouldn't get so much reaction.
As for him being shocked by what we owe, he had paid his money and would have known the financial situation weeks ago. The only person who is "shocked" (mock outrage) is the "journalist" (hack) who wrote the story. 

But he didnt sell the club did he Pete? He ran up significant losses, fell out with the EFL, put our club on the line, ducked over a number of small businesses, and left us with most likely third division football for (at least) a season. 

There are a lot of fans who are not turning up who might wish to be ‘busting a gut’ too. However, COVID has not been fair to the old - and we do have I would suggest a quite old fan demographic - nor has it been kind to many in terms of income. I think it’s a bit crass to call out fans who in the past have done their bit, but for now have good reason for not being able to attend.

This is his 9th season with us. He's lost 2 of those seasons through serious injuries and yet has fought back to be a generally reliable squad member. If anyone has given this club value over the years, he has. 
Our support has been outstanding this season, but some of our fans, sadly, are still brainless twits.