G STAR RAM

58 minutes ago, sage said:

I'm not criticising Warne. I'm just suggesting that talk of a shoestring budget is nonsense. 

Also you said we couldn't pay fees. That is wrong. We couldnt pay million pound fees but we could pay fees. We eventually did pay fees.

I'm not criticising Warne. I'm just correcting 2 factual errors. 

No you're not.

You have zero evidence to back up your wage bill claim. 

If you do please post it up and I will gladly apologise.

14 hours ago, Nuwtfly said:

Oh come on, we wasn’t able to pay a fee for any players! You can’t tell me we were the big spenders

Nor can he tell you we had the highest wage budget. He is stating things for which the facts are not available yet seems to be trying to pass them off as fact.

2 hours ago, Henrycav81 said:

Didn’t Stephen warnock say something about it being toxic

No idea to be honest 

4 hours ago, Nuwtfly said:

If you ever get the opportunity to chat to someone who was around the team at the time, ask them what sort of “leader” Keogh was during Nigel Pearson’s time at the club.

Well you obviously have, so why not tell us who it was and what was said?

6 hours ago, angieram said:

The telling thing for me is when one of the current players said that apart from a one-night Christmas party, that the trip to Vegas is the first time the players have really socialised together all season because they have all been focused on getting promotion.

That certainly wasn't the case in the Keogh era, and it certainly was him at the centre of some of the in-season does, leading the singing and  sounding absolutely the worse for wear. 

(Some of the WAGS are a bit indiscreet when it comes to sharing things on their insta pages.)

You can think what you want, @G STAR RAM, but I know what I've seen and also heard.

Not disputing anything that you've seen or heard but don't there again I don't see anything that you have described there that would make it sound like a toxic environment. 

If I worked in a toxic environment I certainly wouldn't be socialising with my colleagues outside of work?

3 hours ago, angieram said:

Confirmed from those who are/were in and around players pre and post-match at that time, there was a definite in-crowd, with a cruel streak towards those who didn't "fit".

Most thought it was Keogh's way, or the highway. 

Improvement in team morale and togetherness was apparent after he left, although some of this grew out of the tough times we found ourselves in by then. 

Time may have clouded my judgement but I seem to remember the 13/14 team, of which Keogh was captain, as being one of the most tight knit groups we had in a while.

Maybe it was the mercenaries brought in by our cheque waving Chairman that caused the toxicity rather than Keogh?

Just an alternative suggestion.

3 hours ago, sage said:

I'm aware of one player who left around 2017 who described the place as 'toxic'

Which player was it? Surely 7 years down the line, naming them won't be an issue?

Nope, it's not even the most exciting league in this country.

Obviously, it has the best quality players but from what I see of it, it really is as dull as dishwater, especially since the introduction of VAR.

6 hours ago, Crewton said:

I think the Keogh clique closed ranks and he couldn't integrate or settle. He did a good job with a small team in La Liga for several seasons, so he wasn't dreadful in Spain.

Never seen him play in Spain so can't comment, plus I imagine the game in Spain is quite different to The Championship. 

Nick Blackman was good at Reading, doesn't change the fact he was awful he!

4 minutes ago, richinspain said:

He is more or less. He's originally from the town where I live. I've chatted with him via WhatsApp quite often when he first signed for us. I've only actually met him once, just before the relegation season and we were desperate for players. He said that he had spoken to McClarren about going back if needed, but was told that we weren't allowed to sign him. I don't know if that was true or if he had been fobbed off. Whatever people think of him as a player, and I honestly don't think that he was as bad as some make out (I remember him being selected as MOTM on here a couple of times), but he is a very down to earth person who I think had a lot of bad luck with us. It would have helped if he had remembered his insoles mind.

From memory he had 1 half decent game.

May have been reasons behind it but he was completely and utterly dreadful.

To be fair to Osman he didn't say at which end 😂

9 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

What did Clattenburg expect from this role. I don't know anyone who thinks a club employing an ex ref to help them would end well.

The Greek does this kind of stuff with Olympiakos and thinks he can rig the game over here.

TBF, he;s just been fined 28,000 euros for abusing a ref over there so he probably thought it would be better to employ some fecker else to do it over here.

 

Money. 

10 hours ago, BOB BIGGS said:

Blimey, memories for sure. I travelled down from Northumberland for that one. Haven’t been back since😎

To Northumberland?

How are you going to explain that one to the wife?

Doubt you'll get away with saying you popped out to get some milk.

8 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

You take things to literally.  

You've just called Gibson a pube headed p**** and wished nothing but misfortune.  So if it was shown that his transfer of losses to his haulage company was in breach of regs and he went to court and lost, you'd like the slate wiped clean, no points deduction and we just crack on. 

I don't want to see non footballing related matters affecting where teams finish in the league.

I might make an exception for Gibson and Couhig.

It's just another thing ruining football.

In my first 35 years of watching football I think I can remember one incident of a points deduction where it didn't relate to on the field matters (Swindon).

These days it's 4 or 5 a season. 

Look at the situation with Everton and Forest. 4 games left and not knowing if there will be more points deducted. Absolutely ridiculous.

It's about time the game went back to how it used to be, a game where the fans at matches were the ones that counted.

The ultimate aim should be to strive to be in the Premier League, right now I can't think of anywhere I'd less rather be.

1 hour ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

if you can have both , why not.

Because I want football sorted on football pitches, not in board rooms and courts.

1 hour ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Our old pal Gibson's had a Q&A and said that he hopes that Forest and Sheffield Utd  come down because they have financial challenges according to their supporters.  Oh dear FFP complaint incoming.

 

 

Hate to say it and it makes me feel sick, I'd back Forest over that pub headed p****.

I wish nothing but misfortune on him and his club.

Given that the average tenure of an EFL manager is about 18 months, I thought Clowes was mad giving Warne a 4 year contract to start, although I guess that is what it took to entice him away from Rotherham, think he would be even madder to extend his contract now given that we are moving up a level.

I've not listened to Radio Derby probably for 25 years.

I've seen criticism of Ed Dawes here.

That footage tells me he is one of us though. 

3 minutes ago, trappatoni said:

Fact is up until a certain point this season - possibly Stevenage away but I've not checked  -  we were under performing and if we'd finished 6th or 7th I suspect Warne would have been on his way.   

Yes those that argued he would pull it round have been proved right but most pro Warne fans weren't saying we were still in the hunt for automatic they were making excuses about budget, sanctions, time etc etc.   They have been proved wrong too.

   

Excuses or pointing out facts?

I think most were pointing out that we had also been very lucky with injuries and when we got a settled team out things would improve...they have been proved right.

1 hour ago, Ewe Ram said:

I have a thought (yep, rare), Warne has his critics who say his football is dire and hard to watch. 
Peterborough played attractive football, but they’re not second. 

Hey? I thought they were promoted in January, along with Oxford in September and Barnsley/Bolton in February.

Not been looking at the league table, so assumed yesterday was a celebration of staying up with so many teams being better than us!

1 minute ago, sage said:

Maybe they realise now isn't the time and don't want to get jumped on.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

More bullying. Well done.

 

Bullying? 😂

Did you call it the same when many were piling in on Mr Warne?

32 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said:

Sorry, I've come into this conversation late. Are we talking about Brit Vegas again?

In fairness, I bet MM knew more than Maxwell.

Or Chris Kirchner.

 

In Bris' defence, he had been saying for a while that Derby would get promoted this season.

What a way to get your first correct prediction in 14 years on the forum!

Well done to everyone who stuck by Paul Warne.

Especially, well done and thank you to David Clowes who held his nerve when it probably could have been easy to give in to the noisy minority.

The records we have broken this season will remain for a long time and days like yesterday don't come around too often.

Warne has more than earned his shot at Championship football next season.

37 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

I assume that's looking towards PP, with Town Centre behind the photographer?

Just trying to get my bearings for a drive past.  I don't go down that way very often. 

🍻

 

EDIT:
Just checked Google Maps.  Looks like it's heading to PP from town, but set back away from the road (3rd bridge support?).
Might have to wait until we're out on our bikes for a proper good look at it.  (And at least that'll give me a photo opportunity).  😁👍

 

Oops, I meant the picture is facing away from Pride Park. Ignore me...most people do 

2 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

I assume that's looking towards PP, with Town Centre behind the photographer?

Just trying to get my bearings for a drive past.  I don't go down that way very often. 

🍻

No, it faces away from Pride Park