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9 hours ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Austin, Grosicki and Robson-Kanu could all do a job for us. Wages might be an issue but given all three are free agents, that would be offset by the lack of fees being paid. I do sometimes wonder when I hear 'this player is not good enough' and 'that guy ain't either' that I must have been watching a different team to some on here.

They just feel like very uninspiring signings. 

32 minutes ago, Eatonram said:

Here is what I don’t get. The financial jeopardy at the club has not just appeared in the last few weeks or months. We have to assume Mel has always been aware of the financial position. And yet conscious decisions have been made in the last 9 months to sign Jozwiak and to sack Coccu and to incur the costs of extra loans in January. Surely if we were genuinely on a financial precipice you would stop spending and therefore making it worse? So perhaps naively I believe the situation is surviveable. Of course I may be wrong. 

You see the relief of Stephen Pearce and Mel at full time against Sheffield Wednesday and you think well the club must still be in a salvageable position. If we were ducked anyway, why was there that reaction last week? Maybe I am wrong but at this point I think the media are putting out vague statements without truly knowing what is going on. 

Mel needs to fall on his sword. Look at what you have done to this wonderful football club.

Third time lucky?

3 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Nyland was their most used GK?

He got injured halfway through the season

If we're looking for a goalkeeper how about getting Jed Steer from Aston villa. Solid, reliable keeper and crucial to them in their promotion season

3 minutes ago, TomSaint said:

I’d go for Barry bannan , windass and ikpeazu out of the teams relegated. I know theres some decent free agents about 

If you sign too many relegated players, that's where you'll end up.

31 minutes ago, Pearl Ram said:

Mate, they’ve got a couple of threads dedicated to us and if I went into detail about this Mr P’s obsession with us you’d think I was exaggerating. Take a look for yourself. 

https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/198743-the-championship-ffp-thread-merged/page/78/#comments

Wow is he alright?

"New charges eh?? That would be fantastic, I've not found the piece, but new charges would be excellent." 

Why is he so bothered

11 hours ago, Oldben said:

Looking at league one players Derby should consider signing ...

Goalkeepers: George Long (hull) or Craig MacGillivray (portsmouth), Chris maxwell (blackpool)

Defenders: de wijs (hull), Tendayi Darikwa (wigan)

Midfield: George Honeyman (hull), Jorge  Grant (lincoln), Marcus Harness (portsmouth), Aiden McGeady (Sunderland), 

Strikers: Clarke-Harris (Peterborough), Wyke (Sunderland), 

Yates (Blackpool)

Honestly none of those would improve the team. Sign League one players that's where you end up. We need to be smarter and more creative with our recruitment

17 minutes ago, Will Hughes Hair said:

So for that reason Clucas and Barkley wouldn’t be on my shopping list.

I know he can't get a game at Chelsea but I don't think Ross Barkley will want to drop down to the championship ?

50 minutes ago, Jourdan said:

But it wasn’t always close. At the end of February, we were 9 points clear of Rotherham and 10 points clear of Wednesday. It’s down to 2 and 3 points respectively now.

But Rotherham and Wednesday haven’t produced incredible form. Wednesday have picked up 12 points in 13 games since. Rotherham have picked up 12 points in 14 games.

For us, it has been a capitulation of the highest order and any signs of optimism from Rooney’s early tenure have vanished faster than a burger from my plate. 

Now that I do agree with.

15 minutes ago, Andicis said:

Why do people keep repeating this falsehood? Cocu had Martin, a finished Tom Huddlestone and Rooney himself (who was a waste of space) compared to Rooney who had Bielik playing for at least part of the season, and all of the loanees he brought in January as well as Colin Kazim-Richards. Cocu had no better squad than Rooney, that's a complete myth. 

Second half of the season cocu had:

Hamer, Roos, Bogle, Wisdom, Clarke, Davies, Evans, Lowe, Malone, Forsyth, Buchanan, Bird, Shinnie, Rooney, Huddlestone, Knight, Holmes, Sibley, Lawrence, Whittaker, Jozefzoon, Waghorn, Marriott, Martin

Second half of the season Rooney has:

Marshall, Roos, Byrne, Wisdom, Clarke, Edmundson, Mengi, Forsyth, Buchanan, Bird, Baningime, Shinnie, Knight, Sibley, Lawrence, Roberts, Waghorn, Jozwiak, CKR, Gregory

I know which squad I'd rather have. Cocu also had Keogh, Bielik, Dowell, Paterson and Bennett for the first half of the season and was still well in the bottom half. Rooney has a very inexperienced squad. He doesn't have the leaders that Cocu had, he doesn't have the options, he just doesn't have as good a squad. 

2 minutes ago, Andicis said:

In what way ''didn't he anticipate it being like this''

When he joined the club initially he thought he was going to help push us on to promotion. I don't think he expected the club to be in such a mess 12 months on. 

3 minutes ago, Andicis said:

in fact he was one of the reasons Cocu got fired with his dreadful performances, so let's not use that excuse for him.

No excuses for that. Awful performances from him at the start of the season. Clearly wasn't fit, it was time to hang up the boots.

4 minutes ago, Andicis said:

Cocu got these players 10th. Without Bielik. If Cocu who ''failed with this group'' can do that, why can't Rooney? 

Rooney hasn't had a full season. Cocu was awful in the first half of his first season. We were well in the bottom half. You cannot understimate the impact Rooney had when he joined the club. The second half of the season we flew up the league. So it's not 'cocu got these players 10th' he didn't turn water into wine. We just managed to put in better performances and with Rooney running the midfield we were the form team.

Cocu also had a better squad last season. Yes he didn't have Bielik, but he had plenty of experienced players and squad depth.

That novelty of Rooney being in the team and the sense of that unknown with our young players soon wore off though. We reverted to type and are now back down the bottom of the league. Cocu couldn't get them performing this season and now Rooney can't. It's clear to me that the players just aren't up to it.

9 minutes ago, Andicis said:

Why are the players going backwards? 

It's Rooney. We'd look better overnight without him. 

That's strange, as the same thing happened when Cocu was sacked. 'the players are going backwards, it's cocu, we'd look better overnight without him.' And we did. Rooney instilled a winning mentality, we put in some excellent performances, especially defensively and we climbed up the table.

2 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

It's unfair to expect the Manager of a football club to take responsibility for results and performances on the pitch??????????? In that case why sack Cocu????

That's not what I said. Of course he should take responsibility. But I think it's unfair to pin the blame all on Wayne Rooney. He lifted us out of the relegation zone. But we've fallen back into it. It's got to the point where you have to question whether the players are up to it. 

Yes he's made mistakes. But as I said before, there are bigger problems here. Mel Morris is ultimately responsible because he has let the playing squad deteriorate. 

3 minutes ago, Andicis said:

Wayne Rooney has overseen us losing 6 games in a row

He also oversaw us winning 6 games out of 8, keeping 4 clean sheets. By no means am I saying that Rooney is god's gift, I think the poor run has showed that the players can't sustain it as they are not good enough. We've had two managers now who have failed with this group, have you ever thought that it actually is the players?

Rooney has walked into an awful situation. He didn't anticipate it being like this at all. It's unfair to put the blame on him for this. There are bigger problems at the club than the manager and I've been saying it for years.

15 minutes ago, Kingpin said:

Let’s not. Please. 

Why? Many were willing to go on with Cocu when it was evident he wasn't up to it

57 minutes ago, VulcanRam said:

I don't know what @Roymac reasons are, but I agree that Cocu had to go and Rooney, at the moment, deserves to stay. I'll offer you some reasons: 

Comparing win rate is unfair given that one had a season and a quarter and one has had half a season. David Lowe had a 100% win record when he took over for the Man U semi final a few years ago. Does it make him the best DCFC manager ever? 

Cocu had to go because while he started ok, and only ok, the end of last season / start of this season's form was horrendous. The players clearly weren't buying it. We were bottom of the table. The football was dire. It was the right decision.

Under Rooney, the initial bounce saw us win games and move up the table. The last 16 game or so have been awful. The football is terrible and the players look shot and devoid of, frankly, anything. 

The only two things Rooney has in his corner at the moment are that he has removed a team from the bottom and we might yet stay up. The second, which is important, is that Cocu bought in his own coaching team while Rooney has had to deal with having Rosenior, Given and Walker foisted upon him, which has proven to be a failed project. Two bits of mitigation which I'd say just about, and only just, keep Rooney afloat.

If we stay up, he deserves a crack at it again next season but only with the caveat of him having his own team, with some proper experience, around him.  If we start with the same coaching setup next year, forget it.

If we go down, he's toast as far as I'm concerned as he's failed in his remit, just like Cocu was doing. 

 

I totally agree. In my opinion, there are bigger problems at the football club than wayne Rooney. There is no point in changing manager again. If we win on Saturday, give him some resources and let's see what he can do.

There's a lot of work to do

There are bigger problems at the football club than the manager. If this group of players were that good, they wouldn't be in a relegation battle going into the last game of the season.

2 minutes ago, richinspain said:

We've equalised twice to finish with points, but surely we've equalised in games but still gone on to lose? I don't know, and certainly can't be bothered to look it up.

We equalised at Luton and still lost. That's it.

west brom 2 up, is the great escape on?

Leeds have won it at the death

23 minutes ago, Marriott Ram99 said:

We all know Jozwiak is fast and good with the ball at his feet it's the end product part that for Derby has been piss poor also his lack of physicality. 

Going past Chilwell easily isn't a suprise he isn't a very good 1vs 1 defender even though he plays for Chelsea, its the end product we need to see from Jozwiak and better decision making. There's potential there but he needs to be doing quite alot more in terms of goals and chanced created. 

Yes he does, but so does every other attacking player at Derby county. This isn't a Jozwiak issue

Jozwiak on the bench for Poland, might be playing on Friday then