Oldben

In the early days parachute payments,  Championship clubs received a flat free of £2.3m each per season over 4 years.

From the 2016/17 season, the payment system was changed so that the money will be distributed to relegated clubs over three years rather than four. Relegated clubs will receive 55 per cent of the equal share of broadcast revenue paid to Premier League clubs in the first year after relegation, 45 per cent the following year and 20 per cent in year three.

April 2021 reported: It seems ages since Stoke City got relegated at the end of 2017-18 season, but they’re still trousering an £18million parachute payment this season.

The immediate promotion of Norwich City and Watford back into the Premier League means that all 20 Premier League clubs will receive a slice of an £83M financial boost. After last year's relegation, all three relegated clubs were paid a total of £83M, referred to as 'parachute payments' by the Premier League clubs. So, what are parachute payments' And why were relegated clubs given this financial boost'.

While it can be said that this seems unfair the counter argument is that potential Derby buyers will look forward to a share of such profits as an incentive if they can promote the club to the Premier league at some point but are then faced with potential immediate relegation. 

Its expensive to promote a club to the Premier league.

Independent newspaper, may 2021: how much is winning the Championship play-off final worth?

Ahead of last year’s Championship play-off final, Deloitte reported that the victorious club could earn anywhere between £135million and £265m, depending on whether or not they could avoid immediate relegation from the Premier League.

This can act as another incentive for any potential Derby buyer.

Teamtalk rumours we are interested in Jack Clarke. Jack Clarke's Tottenham Hotspur career hasn't gone as planned after a promising start at Leeds United.

The winger, now 20, has had unsuccessful loan spells at QPR and Stoke City since 2020 and could be set for another Championship move in January.

The Sun newspaper carried a story about Derby being interested in Phil Jones.

Jones hasn't appeared in a league game for Man United since 2019-20 and it's clear he has no future at Old Trafford, paving the way for a January exit.

Im not sure why Jones would be interested with the club in it's current position.

Jones wouldn't replace Buchanan, who is rumoured to be a signing of interest to Celtic.

To overcome parachute payments would probably require a wage cap.

The efl tried a wage cap in League one of 2 million, it was voted out by the players Union.

If it can't be made to work in League one, how can it work in the Championship.

Owners will do what ever they can to reach the biggest prize of promotion to the premiership, in part not because they think they will necessarily stay in the Premier league but they are happy to bounce around League's gaining parachute payments.

The efl created that situation by not doing anything about it.

4 hours ago, FindernRam said:

Doesn't this sound very familiar! Rich owner prepared to spend big to gamble on promotion. Mel Mk II just a lower start point.

When buying a football club, the first thing you want to know is a) What am I getting? 

and b) How much money will the club make?

“Derby County now have a 12-point penalty chance of avoiding relegation. 

With 21 points, it's pretty close to zero.

“And that would affect what a potential buyer is willing to pay. 

Would you pay £60m+ for a League One club? 

Unlikely, given that Derby County do not own their stadium and Mel Morris' position is unknown.

“It was his financial mismanagement that put the club into administration.

“He'll say it's not the EFL and Covid's fault.

The Derby fans must be gutted because Wayne Rooney has performed admirably in difficult circumstances.

If Kirchner is still interested, then go for it. 

If there is competition, do your homework and choose the best candidate. 

However, even though we will might be relegated to League 1 next season, January is the time to start cleaning up and planning for next season. 

Then let Wayne start assembling the team. 

We may still be able to stay in the Championship if the initial 12 are reduced by half on appeal and Wayne makes a few good signings.

On 07/11/2021 at 14:42, RoyMac5 said:

He told you that right? 

Absolutely new owners will be looking to spend Championship money on a League 1 club.

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4 hours ago, FindernRam said:

This statement (if true and by Kirchner) is a terrible thing to put in the public domain. Basically undermining the negotiation position of the administrators by saying the club will survive even if you dock us the lot! Taking away the threat of liquidation and what that would do to the EFL.

My view is that Kirchner is saying that even if the club is relegated, he is willing to invest in the club.

Maguire has stated that it is probably very difficult for Derby to find a new owner if they are guaranteed relegation, as the club will be worth less if its a league one club instead of in the championship.

From everything I have read Kirchner appears to be an astute businessman who sees that its possible to turn Derby around and turn it into a great team again.

Its my believe that if your rich enough to buy Derby even if they are relegated, your not looking to see them stay in League one but will want to promote them as soon as possible and under those circumstances, you would be willing to pay whatever it takes to guarantee promotion from League One to the Championship.

I had concerns that if Derby were relegated know one would be interested in buying the club.

League one no longer has a salary cap, but the issue is which players from the Championship would be willing to transfer to a relegated club and so you would need to pay good money to buy the best possible players from league one.

I think Derby if they are owned by a wealthy owner could out bid the majority of other teams in League one, and an entire rebuild would be required to make them strong enough to be promoted in one season.

I'm happy with Chris Kirchners bid, it saves the club.

I would ask the question, what better bids are on the table.

The club's projected relegation to League One will not deter Chris Kirchner, it is claimed.

Derby could be penalised with a nine-point punishment, thereby relegating them to the third tier.

The Rams have already lost 12 points for going bankrupt, dropping them to last in the Championship table.

Administrative penalties were appealed by Quantuma, however the matter was postponed and the appeal reportedly dismissed.

The club has apparently accepted the ninepoint penalty for breaking Financial Fair Play rules under Mel Morris.

20 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

I think he would do a decent job in League 1

I'm hoping we can get Cole Stockton from Morcambe, together with Macauley Bonne of Ipswich. I think that will sort out the attack for league one.

For the midfield I'd like Sean McConville of Accrington Stanley, and Luke McCormick from Wimbledon.

In defence I'd like us to sign Josh Ruffels and Sam Long from Oxford.

Baldock is as bad as his former team claimed he was, he's surplus to requirements and will not help Derby get promoted.

Players like Buchan, Knight, sublet and bird will most likely choose to move on.

I wish I could support our defenders, as they have done well this season but they are simply too old.

There's a significant rebuild to do, it will take money. It will take a fully functioning scout department.

I'm not convinced that Rooney is the right manager to face the challenges of league one and promote the team in one season.

Sheffield Wednesday 2021 - Player Wages

Sheffield Wednesday have a total of 59 players in their home squad. The highest earning player in the squad is Bailey Peacock-Farrell earning £28,000 per week.

Sheffield Wednesday play in the Sky Bet League One, the second division of mens professional football in England.

The teams total wage bill is:

£10,131,160 per year

£194,830 per week

Wigan Athletic 2021 - Player Wages

Wigan Athletic have a total of 52 players in their home squad. The highest earning player in the squad is Jason Kerr earning £16,000 per week.

Wigan Athletic play in the Sky Bet League One, the third division of mens professional football in England.

The teams total wage bill is:

£6,276,920 per year

£120,710 per week

Sunderland 2021 - Player Wages

Sunderland have a total of 60 players in their home squad. The highest earning player in the squad is Aiden McGeady earning £13,000 per week.

Sunderland play in the Sky Bet League One, the third division of mens professional football in England.

The teams total wage bill is:

£5,998,200 per year

£115,350 per week

This article perfectly sums up how I feel ...

https://derbycountyblog.com/the-bigger-picture/

I wonder if it's worth dumping a truck load of manure at efl hq

2 hours ago, Yani P said:

He actually said on camera he would stay if we were relegated..appreciate anything could happen but can't see him walking away..he might get replaced by new owners but he seems to want to do the job here..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2021/06/25/wayne-rooney-will-abandon-ship-if-Derby-relegated-to-league-one-with-points-deduction-14826561/amp/

On 10/10/2021 at 18:07, Oldben said:

If Derby get a further 9 points they are relegated, so of course Derby have to appeal the 12 points already given.

Problem is the appeal against the points route been tried before and it failed.

It's very tough in League One as my understanding is that all clubs have very limited wage budget plus their transfer budgets are the same in as much as they are not allowed to spend beyond a certain amount on transfers.

That was designed to give a competitive level playing field.

Since derbys wages are potentially already to high, if in League One it would mean bringing in new players could be very difficult.

Plus I thought I read that Rooney wouldn't stay at Derby if they are relegated.

When I look at League bias it's very clear that the it exists in the championship, even without derbys transfer embargo, the clubs only allowed to spend a set amount on wages and transfers but those clubs relegated from the Premier league have Premier league quality players plus they get massive parachute payments over 3 years meaning they can be promoted very quickly.

So clubs without the luxury of parachute payments are hamstrung in terms of ability to compete.

 

In 2020 the salary cap was removed, but regardless I'd still say that if club is relegated it would need the best players from league one acquired for the club, and that's going to take decent championship salaries to acquire them.

The clubs highly unlikely to acquire championship players if in league one.

I think the squad would require significant enhancements to guarantee promotion in one year if relegated.

The administrators might have decided to not appeal the 12 point deduction but instead reduced the potential further 9 points to 15 and that means Derby are even more likely to be relegated.

Under new ownership debt would need to go or the efl might keep the transfer embargo in place in league one and that would really hurt Derby.

Then consideration would have to be given as to Rooneys tenure, I'm not sure I see him capable of promoting Derby in one year from league one.

Rooney was rumoured to say he'd leave if the clubs relegated.

In my opinion, it's not about the efl shafting Derby, though they are making example of Derby but that's because they don't care what the club is, if the club dared to do something they as non qualified accountants did not approve of.

Derby made the efl look unprofessional because they did something there rules at the time did not cover, in terms of amortisation.

The efl want to make an example of any club that goes against there thought process.

The efl don't want a fair process or on the last appeal they would have appointed an accountant to the panel or better still have used an independent arbitrator for sport, maybe a fifa appointment review to assess the case.

3 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

He told you that right? 

Absolutely new owners will be looking to spend Championship money on a League 1 club.

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Rooney's salary is 90k per week, so circa 4.7 million a year.

Salary, Income, Net Worth: Wayne Rooney - 2021 - WageIndicator.co.uk

As to paying championship salaries in league one, thats up to who ever the new owners are, but assuming they are any of the millionaires that are rumoured to be interested in buying the club and assuming that they want entirely overhaul the club and that they want to get promoted, they will need the very best players for that.

There's no salary cap in league one.

1 hour ago, Tamworthram said:

I like your thinking but: Who would be “the best league one manager”, how would we attract him, why would top rated players in league one want to come to a team you reckon look certs for relegation when they might prefer to try their luck in the championship via a transfer or playing in a promoted team and there is no such thing as a guarantee in football least of all the appointment of a manager. Nearly all of them have had some highs and lows in their career.

I believe Rooney on 1.4 million a year?!

1 million a year plus guarantees the best manager from league one in my opinion.

Any new Derby owners will paying championship salaries if we are in league one, those salaries will encourage the players to sign for us.

We might have to pay above the odds for a league one top striker but that's probably less than top scoring championship strikers.

Who in the real world would take over with Derby at the bottom even under new ownership, who would take a bottom of the table club that's liable to be relegated even if the 12 points are removed due to a successful appeal.

There's a potential further 9 points.

Then you have no budget for players, a threadbare team.

You have no buying potential in January unless clear of debts, and even if you can buy unless the clubs further up the table, what's the benefit to the new players.

The club needs players not a player.

Wondering if it's worth acquiring the best league one manager to guarantee Derby's promotion next season, if the clubs relegated.

If the club can buy players in january I'd consider the top players in league one.

In the clubs current league position I think those players are realistic targets.

I wouldn't buy one more player above 30 for the club 

For this bid I wonder if the names to get the deal across the line but they don't gamble with their own money but with investors from Asia.

It's not a great place for a club to be in if that's the case, given the current issues at the club.

Just wondering about this

Does Rooney have a quality team to work with.

Has Rooney had significant investment made available for spending in January.

Have the auditors guaranteed that potential investors have one week to get their bids on the table for Derbys sale.

Do new managers sometimes get lucky breaks, as in my opinion happened at Barnsley.

Did Mel Morris sell of Derbys best players weakening the team, to where they were easy to beat because they are made of youngsters and old men.

Does Derby have one of the oldest defences in the league.

Does Derby have a quality regularly scoring striker.

Does Derby have a talented and ball winning Midfield.

Even given that scenario, has Rooney got the club at least drawing the majority of the games this season.

Remember without the 12 point deduction, the club would be almost mid table and that's given all these things which are out of Rooneys hands.

Remember most quality managers would not want to be Derbys manager, under these circumstances and with the club at the foot of the table.

Remember Rooneys worth millions, he could easily walk away, but he's chosen to fight for Derby.

If the fans stop supporting the manager and players due to circumstances, that demoralises them. Under those circumstances how can they perform at their best.

It's absurd to deduct points from teams in financial difficulty. 

You're essentially pinning them down. 

Now this new theory that they will deduct 6 points from a team that loses an appeal?? 

1 hour ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

I do believe there is an element of "we can't be seen to have been made a fool of by Derby" from the EFL side.

I remember when the administration deduction appeal was announced the EFL were hopping mad that we'd dare to be so bold.

Efl can hide behind that old chestnut, but can't say they are acting in the best interests of the club.

How is the 12 points given, plus a potential 9 further points meant to do anything other than relegate the club especially given that they also bring in players due to transfer embargo and a block to how much can be spent on wages.

I think that's too harsh a punishment.

The efl are supposedly acting in the best interests of the clubs, but I question whether that's true.

If derbys appeal succeeds and points are reduced, efl can still add the extra 9 points or are they going to see if Derby are relegated and then hit the club with the 9 points next season.

For me it's all about making money for the efl.

The article is in the Derby evening telegraph.

Alan nixon says that after Derbys appeal concludes next month, they are seeking ways to stop clubs appealing in the future.

They can take a decision, overly harshly punish a club and then prevent the club from appealing that.

In my opinion, the efl are a law unto themselves.

They doing things not for the benefit of their members but to give themselves what they think I'd credibility.

I think that the efl should be forced to accept a representative from the fans, and that the efl should be forced to listen to that voice.

Alan nixon: Derby County’s prospective new owner Chris Kirchner spent upwards of £90million on an aircraft, which he then used to fly into the UK to have a look around the club.

Interesting, but Derby needs improving.

Rich owners for other clubs have been prevented from investing by efl rules, totally unfair but it's happened.

I think you can only spend upto a certain percentage of turnover so I think the rebuild takes a long time?