Oldben

You would think Derby would make some money on kit sales. This will not help.

Fanbanter rates championship team kits, no wonder we ranked so low.

Simon Jordan makes sense on Ravel ...

“I imagine the 13th club is going to be the making of him,” said Jordan sarcastically.

“The clue is in the statistics. If you’ve played 98 games for 12 clubs over 11 years, scored 15 goals and had people talk about you in the most glowing of terms, like Rooney.

“I think Sam Allardyce talked about his lack of professionalism. I don’t think the penny has dropped. If it hasn’t dropped at 28 or 26, it’s never going to drop."

Baldock isn't a player you play up front on his own. Featured in 20 games last season, didn't score.

Hes unlikely to get more than 5 goals in a season.

Hes doesn't add anything to the team, but he is another player

Even with the Royals’ shortage of wingers last term, Aluko was barely used by Veljko Paunovic and the only real chance Sam Baldock managed to get was when Lucas Joao and George Puscas were both out injured.

A reading fan comments "Aluko still has something to offer but baldock is not a championship player. All I can say is Derby must be in a very dark place."

And "Tell you what Aluko might not be a bad signing for them if he’s on 10k a week looked decent last season when he came on. As for baldock wouldnt want him if he was on a tenner"

Derby COUNTY: Total market valuation of squad according to Transfermarkt: £43.65m.

The Rams’ results for the year running from 1st July 2017 to 30th June 2018 report the club’s best-ever Championship turnover, in non-parachute payment years, of £29.6m, increasing by £600,000 compared to the previous year.

Derby county match day income by year ...

2014: 6.1 million

2015: 7.9 million

2016: 8.3 million

2017: 8.7 million

2018: 9.1 million

Derby county's commercial income ...

2013: 5.7 million

2014: 7.1 million

2015: 8.5 million

2016: 8.6 million

2017: 12.4 million

2018: 12.2 million

When Derby were relegated from the premier league, they received a parachute payment of 29.1 million.

Derby would need to get their operational costs under control, but i see that the profitability is something that should interest perspective owners of the club.

In 2019/2020, Derby county had an average attendance at matches of 26850, which was the 4th largest.

Promotion - Value of

Winning the Championship play-off final and earning promotion to the Premier League is estimated at hundreds of millions of pounds.

2020, Deloitte suggests that victory in the play-off final could see an increase in revenue of between £135 million to £265 million, depending on whether a promoted team can avoid immediate relegation.

Official figures for the 2018-19 season showed that broadcast revenue totalling £2.4 billion ($3bn) was distributed among the 20 clubs in the Premier League.

Each club received £34.3m ($43.4m) in equal share payments, £43m ($54.4m) in international TV and £4.9m ($6.2m) in central commercial payments: a base line of roughly £82.5 million ($104.4m) per team, regardless of position.

Conclusion: While there is risk in any investment, I see value in owning the club.

Other championship team owners have gambled on the success of their clubs, why should Derby be any different.

On 08/07/2021 at 13:00, Ken Tram said:

I think you're right. I probably allow by heart to rule my head in terms of Rooney. I don't expect thin to be a top league manager ... but I do need him to improve.

If he improves, then I still think that he had the potential to be a to manager.

I think that he has high footballing intelligence. And if he improves this year, and even if he is still not the best, I will continue to stick with him. But only while he continues to improve.

And I don't think the "last 14 games" is a valid way of judging improvement for a first-time manager starting mid-season.

In my opinion Rooney was taken on as manager as an opportunity to encourage potential buyers.

If that's back fired, then that's not on Rooney as he's not a tried and tested manager, not that helps the club.

I dont think Mel will sack Rooney, thats an extra cost to Mel.

 I'm guessing, Mel's only goal at present is to sell the club.

I'm not sure why the club sale is taking so long, surely the way forward is bringing in a football club sales specialist firm get them to find a buyer.

Don't know how long Mel would want to keep funding the players wages, assuming he stops doing so the efl have made it clear the club have a 3 point deduction for every month the wages are not paid.

That would relegate the club, assuming say you had two months when the wages were not paid.

Just because Rooney is a former England player and has a lot of football knowledge, doesn't mean he will ever be a great manager.

Not that it would happen, but I really wish lampard was the manager again.

Jaglieka rumoured to be offered 22k per week. 

Thats crazy when there's obviously better players available

9 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

He was at a premiership club last season!

He didn't do much but sit on the bench last season, and much of the time he didn't even do that

3 minutes ago, jimbo jones said:

If Bielik comes back and can stay fit we might be alright, if we can also find someone who can score goals....

the problem with Bielik is that he's due back in December and after such a long time out of the game he will take a while to be 100% match ready, so end of January.

The season for Derby could be over by January if Rooney doesn't transfor into a match winning manager between now and then.

Older players released on frees from other championship clubs were released on frees for a reason.

Rooney who has more than 100 million can walk away from the club at any time, he threatened to do so if we were relegated.

I dont see Rooney in a back to the wall moment, accomplishing more than last season.

Derby need a manager who is a specialist at getting results from a team that's weaker than last season.

So no transfers and a points deduction, with the teams in this division this season, top half is incredibly unlikely.

Bottom 5 and another dog fight if Derby don't get no owners to turn the club around.

Derby are still capable of getting a points deduction from the efl when the accounts are released.

When is Mel going to walk away, I dont see him continuing to pay salaries indefinitely.

Do Derby need to centre backs the wrong side of 35, Davies leaves the club and jagielka replaces him but at nearly 40 how does that help Derby.

Last season we got to watch Rooney as a player, he didn't look the player he once was.

If Jagielka is the best Derby can manage for free agents, we have a problem.

The best younger free agents are going else where. 

That might be to do with the efl transfer embargo that states we can sign free agents if the salaries are reasonable.

Mel is unlikely to pay for transfers if the embargo is lifted.

Only new owners can save the club.

Yorkshire examiner links us with offering trials to old cast offs ...

Jagielka was released by Sheffield United this summer and played 16 times in his second stint with the Blades, generally showing himself to be a steady hand still in the top flight when called upon at the age of 38.

Stearman meanwhile is now 33 years old and has been let go by Huddersfield Town, despite playing 21 times for the Terriers in the Championship last season.

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I think the difficulty is only partly the efl transfer embargo.

The other issue is the level of competition in the championship.

The efl allows unfairness by not speaking out about teams demoted from the Premier league being given massive parachute payments over several years and almost guaranteing that those are the teams promoted the next year after demotion.

Then the payments continue for 3 years after a teams demoted making those teams to strong as well.

Then you have all the teams that have any amount of transfer budget to spend.

Even when Derby get new owners, under financial fair play rules, they will only be allowed to spend a certain amount on players.

3 new signings would not be enough to change the team, it would require at least 5 new players. Mind you if the goal is promotion, then even more players of decent quality are needed.

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The transfer embargo continues to allow Derby to sign players on a free transfer or on loan, but the club is not allowed to spend any money on transfer fees and players' wages must be sensible.

Clubs can also show that there is a bona fide need to strengthen and that there is room within the squad to add players.

For instance, as things stand, Derby are too weak in every area and have less than the required number of senior contracted players at the club for next season, so they would be allowed reinforcements.

Clubs have to operate under a squad size - believed to be 23 established players - although that does not include academy players under 21.

The senior squad at Derby currently stands at less than that.

Clubs under embargo are allowed to add to the squad where they have fewer than 23 established players.

The problem then is will Mel spend any money on players either on free transfers, loans or perms.

The Comeback by Danny Hokey

"

After a season of night falls and push backs
After the heartache of wrong turns and sidetracks
Just when they think they've got you game set match
Here comes the comeback
Just cause you lay low got up slow unsteady
Don't mean you blacked out or bought out you're ready
Just when they think there's nothing left running on empty
Here comes the comeback

This is your time your moment
The fire the fight your golden
You've come so far keep going
Oh here comes the comeback"

What quality free signing can Derby get if the offer on the table is low wages

In most other championship squads, I think ckr is a substitute. 

At his age and ability he is not the man you build your hopes on achieving anything at championship level.

Knight, sibley and lawrence are not likely to score 10 plus goals in a season.

The transfer ban harms the club.

Efl and Derby have 14 days to appeal once the information is published

Ultimately Derby need a working relationship with the efl.

It wasn't the fault of the efl, that Derby did the amortisation.

The real unfairness is the parachute payments to clubs relegated from the Premier league.

These payments make fair competition in the championship impossible.

So clubs who are not given an equal shout, take risks in an attempt to compete.

The efl want to be seen to have power.

At the moment the efl are reflecting on either taking points from the club, but with a transfer embargo on buying players and not paying high wages for free agents means Derby could be relegated next season instead of this. They have basically put Derby in a place where nothing works for them.

If Wycombe stay in the championship instead of Derby, Wycombe will be relegated next season, they don't have the fan levels of Derby nor the ability to fairly spend enough to compete with the other teams in the championship.

Wycombe are rubbish, don't see how they are meant to get better.

If Derby are relegated they will lose an estimated 10 million a year, as opposed to Wycombe 2 million a year.

If Derby are relegated, Mel could expect to sell Derby for 20 million, who would pay more.

Wycombe are estimated to be worth 7 million.

Stokecentinel article "Derby County chaos is unravelled by a football finance expert", very revealing and helpful.

Interesting to learn about the auditor who did the Derby county books, in their site it says he is a Derby county fan, as the article says odd as auditors are meant to be independent.

The Athletic wrote: "To be clear, the EFL believes it does not need any new breach to ask for a points penalty: the intention to game FFP by using a prohibited amortisation method is enough to merit punishment, perhaps as much as three points for every season the method was used. Nine points, then?

"But, to be equally clear, the disciplinary commission disagrees and thinks a fine is sufficient."

Derby are currently under a transfer embargo meaning they can only sign free agents on wages that are deemed 'sensible' - and only if they have fewer than 23 established players on the books. They have a crisis of numbers at centre-back in particular.

Without being able to buy any quality players it seems to me Derby face relegation next season. They can't even compete to sign free agents.

I read that if Derby were relegated that would cost the club 10 million. 

For Wycombe, id assume their relegation costs them maybe 2 million.

The annoying thing with the efl is that they put clubs in the non competitive environment of the championship.

In my opinion, this has been created because of the very large and unfair parachute payments over the 3 year period.

How can clubs who don't get the parachute payments survive or attempt promotion in that non competitive environment.

How would Derby have signed the best players at the time of the amortisation, they were not considered the most likely team to be promoted at that time.

Would Rooney have been sacked if the club had been relegated.

The games he managed last season showed he's not ready for management.

Would new owners guarantee that he stays at the club.

Its his decision to walk away if the club is relegated.

If Derby are either relegated or stay up, the job of club manager still comes with a higher salary than most other clubs in league one or championship are willing to offer.

I read Rooneys on 90k per week as manager, that makes him one of the best paid managers in the championship.

Press reporting Arsenal buying ben white could effect Clarke move to Derby.

Brighton lose a defender, Clarke steps up to take over as cover for the loss of Ben White.

Without the swap Derby unlikely to sell Knight to brighton, doing so further weakens the squad.

Derby couldn't use the money from the sale of Knight to buy new players due to the transfer embargo.

Derby likely to struggle to bring in free agents with the potential threat of relegation.

Stoke City legend Mike Pejic had suggested the punishments dished out in cases such Wigan and Sheffield Wednesday are being issued on the wrong people.

He said: "A 12-point penalty punishes the players, the staff and the fans – it is the efl who sanctioned that takeover who should be in the dock.

"The focus (for the efl) now should be on coming up with rules and procedures to make sure that they never make this mistake again, making sure that this kind of disaster is not inflicted on some other poor wretches. Instead, the punishment is dolled out on the poor wretches!"

So teams: Birmingham, Sheffield wednesday, Wigan, Macclesfield.

These teams could and should have been protected.

What Derby did with amortisation was not against the rules at the time, it was not against established accounting practice.

The efl did not like that Derby did it, but just because you don't like something that someone does does not make it illegal.

The rule book was established by the efl and their own rules at the time did not make amortisation accounting policy wrong at the time when Derby did something that the efl did not like.

In Sheffield wednesdays case it was decided to not add a points deduction retrospectively but to add it to next season and then at appeal to further reduce that total to six points.

Now the efl are creating two fixture lists and stating any points deduction in Derbys case can be added retrospectively.

Case law points to efl needing to follow by example what they did for Sheffield wednesday.

If Wycombe sue Derby, the club should counter sue Wycombe with a slander lawsuit. 

Derby would have to prove the following: Wycimbe made a false, defamatory statement about Derby, knowing it was a false statement. The statement does not fall in any privileged category.

If Wycombe sued Derby, they would have acted negligently when they published the statement which you would assume related to Wycombe being effected by Derbys accounting methodology which an efl panel had previously decided was not an illegal accounting method and at time when it would be very difficult for Wycombe to proof that they were an injured party.

Wycombe not having been in the same league as Derby in the years at which Wycombe claim a mishap happened.

Daily mail ...

Rooney is ready to walk away from Derby if they are relegated to League One

The Rams could be relegated if they get a retrospective points deduction

Rooney has made it clear privately he does not want to manage in League One

As it stands Rooney has only nine senior players to work with for pre-season 

Is my understanding correct that if the years in question for the amortirisation amount to greater than 30 million, Derby will be relegated.

Assuming Derby want to appeal, on what grounds.

The obvious grounds are that proofing that the amortisation isnt illegal and doesn't break the rules.

Not sure what any other grounds might be.

Relegation should need to break previous rulings for example Sheffield wednesday were not immediately relegated due to their points deduction.

I thought the efl couldn't retrospectively relegate Derby, plus Sheffield wednesday were initially given a 12 point deduction which was reduced to 6 on appeal.

Derby would probably have the right to appeal any points deduction, which would go beyond the start of the season.