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A great goal against manchester united from Paulo Wanchope!

Eustace, with qpr in their current position in the Championship - not happening.

Evatt, with Bolton in their current position in League 1 - not happening.

Paying 50 to 60 million to pay off the debt, means you have money, you don't spend that money on non entities, and I don't think you'd get a quality championship manager to drop down to League One.

1 hour ago, jono said:

If he does go (and for Everton I wouldn’t begrudge or blame him ) Then it’s an internal appt for me Daz Waz or  Curtis player manager 

A new owner will want neither so its a very short term appointment if that happens. Mac also would last moments

2 hours ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Taking the piss 

Great news you have a better understanding of rooneys salary tan the sun, Mirror and daily mail.

9 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

What? Have they got hold of his bank statements?!

Sun newspaper, Jan 2021: Wayne Rooney ‘defers some of his £90k-a-week wages to ensure Derby players are paid’ amid club’s financial struggles.

Daily Mirror, Jul 2021: reported Rooney earns 90k pee week

5 hours ago, Sparkle said:

Well any compensation we get would go to pay the administrators probably and we don’t actually know what he is actually being paid as manager, it may be a decent amount but it could easily not be whilst that said he is certainly earning it this season.

Rooneys salary is published news

I think that's clear!

1 hour ago, Tamworthram said:

Depends. Given Derby will almost certainly be in league 1 next season, perhaps he fancies his chances of helping Wycombe go back up and either playing Championship football with them and/or using the opportunity as a springboard to another Championship club with better short/medium term prospects than either Derby or Wycombe.

I agree on this, but without chasing significant firepower we will not be promoted from league 1 in a hurry.

What's the benefit to a new owner, spend 60 million on buying Derby and spend two or three years in League one.

If a new owner has 60 million to spend on buying Derby they are never standing for rubbish players, they will do a significant rebuild.

Derby will not to spend to rebuild.

The current team is definitely not strong enough to be a winning team in League 1.

13 hours ago, Yani P said:

Because he would pull a hammy carrying them?

I want to see a deal done for Cole Stockton, league ones top scorers.

If we are going to be in League one, a striker who is capable of 20 goals a season, will fire us to promotion.

He's at Morcambe and given their current league position, I really think that Coles a buy, it would require a high wage and I'm fine with that.

Zero chance our current strikers are doing that.

Det: Mel Morris made 'heartbreaking' contribution to fan-led review in wake of Derby County administration!

Mm has nearly put Derby into liquidation, but in looking for something else to blame!

Honestly, if he hadn't made a number of daft decisions, the club would be a lot less likely to be in this state.

11 minutes ago, atherstoneram said:

That's not exactly true B4, the club has to enter into an agreed business plan for 2 years when coming out of administration.

The only positive note, is that if the efl can see that the new owners hopefully have decent finances, then it might be that the new owners set their own budget with the efl.

If the budget is restricted, I don't see as climbing out of league one soon, especially as an entirely new team needs building.

22 minutes ago, B4ev6is said:

If a deal can be struck before christmas the better so we can start rebuilding in job.

Not hopeful on that, the administrators have given the timeline of the end of January.

The transfer window will have closed, any quality in the squad could have been sold.

Our team will stacked with rejects from other teams.

It will have to be that way if the club sell players and are still under restrictions as to who can be brought in.

Plus any players brought in are highly unlikely to be part of any new owners plans for the future if, the clubs picking up dregs in terms of players.

21 minutes ago, Ravabeerbelly said:

We’re going into league one regardless!

No new owner is getting in in time to clear enough debt and secure enough finance let alone EFL agreement to start making signings that can overturn 21 points. 

The new owner won’t be so stupid as to think decent profit in any new business is immediate. They’ll know as will anyone who’s bought or taken over a business you’re taking over because it’s not been run well and changing that needs a forensic approach to the whole business and gradual progress. 

Decent profit will come from managing properly in league 1 so when you reach the championship you reap the benefits of the profit and dont have to spend it covering the debt accrued in getting there!!!

Derby can't afford to be Leeds (past) and spend 3 years in League one, under those circumstances, what new owner would buy Derby with its current debt.

Also there's no decent money to be made from being in League one that compares with paying off the massive debt, Derby has now.

8 minutes ago, Ravabeerbelly said:

The process will be :-

1. Reduce secured debt 

2. Reach the stage where the debt is acceptable and valued at less than the value the purchasers but the club for

3. Purchase the club

4. Accept relegation

5. Restructure the finances of the club from top to bottom

6. Put in place a football budget that’s affordable and sustainable

7. Agree short term and long term goals with the management 

8. Only get ahead of those by over achieving on the pitch by good management or by players developing ahead of schedule NOT by over stretching and gambling financially on over paid under achieving pipedreams 

If the club is confined to League One because it fails to spend, I believe that will not benefit the new owners.

Its not just about paying back the debt it's about reaching a place where a decent profit is possible, zero chance that's league one.

21 minutes ago, Ravabeerbelly said:

Completely agree with you. So you’re point is? You think I was suggesting not reinvesting in the team in the future? Or you think investing in it now over or instead of saving the future of the club is a good idea? 

The club can't invest now and in the immediate future, during the transfer window or at least not in anyone I'd want at the club next season so what's the point.

Assuming new owners by the end of January, early February, will mean only then van the transfers start.

Derby need to go to the players they want from league one, pay above the odds and then agree future contracts for signing of in the summer.

Very busy summer bringing in players.

Those new players can't be rubbish or old or the club's staying at least one season in League one.

I dont see a return for the new investors until Derby get back in the Championship.

1 hour ago, Ravabeerbelly said:

This isnt my opinion btw these are the facts and have been reported as such. 

The balance sheet is worthless as it stands. The secured debt outweighs potential balance sheet because that’s all a player is….it’s like saying you have half a million just because an estate agent valued your house at £500k…..

The HMRC debt is the stumbling block and thats approx £27 mill isn’t it? 

The asset is the football club and the fanbase and the future in come that generates!!! If someone said you can’t ever sign another player again I’d agree with you but players are simply a product that is worth cash….it’s like the fixtures and fittings in your house…the house is crap without them but not worthless!!

Keeping the players to sell later when they’re worth more (how is that even possible?) is pointless if on the meantime the business goes down the pan cos it can’t function!!! The priority right now is securing the future of the club not the future of the match results.

My thoughts are structured by the thoughts of an article from the plymouth argyle manager, who in my opinion is knowledgeable enough and a proven success at League One level.

He's highly likely to get plymouth promoted this season, more than that he says why in League one a team needs to pay above the odds for the best players and why that's critical to success.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/football/building-promotion-winning-plymouth-argyle-5292764.amp

Backing up that thought, who spends millions buying a football that's in trouble and then spends nothing on rebuilding the team.

6 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

Yes Fozzy has been awful and Baldock whilst not scoring as many as we'd hope/like does a decent job.

Baldock shipped put of this club as fast as possible once a new owner arrives, I'd even offer to pack his bags for him.

2 hours ago, SBW said:

 

I don't think we're in a position to try and keep the best and most valuable talent at the club in the hope of mounting a L1 promotion charge next season.

 

A large issue with the club not being purchased thus far appears to be because of the monies owed to creditors.  If that can be assisted with, it might help with the sale of the club?

 

Ignoring that side of business, not many of the better talents at the club will even want to stick around for next season.  I can't imagine for a second any of Knight, Bird or Buchanan being around next season.  Not sure what Knight or Bird's contract situation is, but Buchanan has a 1yr extension option, meaning he'd be into his last year next season and his value diminishing anyway.

 

Then away from that and into next season, there's this whole CVA business which screwed Leeds over, didn't it?  So could even be looking at a deduction next season too.  I'm not sure we'll be able to convince the likes of the above, plus Jozwiak, Byrne and maybe Sibley to stick around.  I think the focus needs to be on securing good characters who will be here next season. Hopefully Curtis Davies will be convinced, as he is exactly the type of man who needs to be around.  He's the type you'd like to see stick around even when his career is done too. 

 

 

Any potential deduction next season, the new owner, should have the resources to legally challenge.

2 hours ago, Tamworthram said:

I agree although I fear your final point is a little over ambitious.

If enough is spent on the team, is it really ambitious.

The moment a new owner arrives I'd have offers lined up and released, yes they are for the summer transfers but I'd still act that way, agree offers to move things forward ahead of the summer.

Players I'd like to sign include Stockton (morcambe), Bonne (ipswich), Twine (mk dons), McConville (Accrington), Ruffels (oxford), long (oxford), James (blackpool).

These sorts of players for an instant promotion.

Any money raised would go to creditors.

Selling best players now means a total team rebuild required under new owners.

Selling best players means that the teams incapable of trying to survive in the Championship, but also the club requires players capable of promoting the club in one season from league one.

The clubs blocked from buying anyone, and can only get free agents on low salaries so what quality players with an eye on clubs performance in League one can be signed.

The new owners will need to spend even more more to rebuild the team because bring in older or cheap players who will not promote Derby from league one.

The club has to sign players capable of performing well at the Championship level for a season in League one, and Championship players of quality are unlikely to sign for Derby if they teams in League one.

Derby will need a team and manager capable of promoting the team in one season.

In my opinion the teams not strong enough to win matches.

Plus look at the transfer window, at this point Derby could very well lose the best players they currently have.

The vultures are already circling Derby, Leeds are looking to acquire Knight but they are not the only team chasing Derby player signatures.

Already I don't see a team strong enough for league one.

In my opinion, only new owners can save the club.

Any new owners will have a transfer window and that's the summer, at that time the debts must have been dealt with to allow spending on players.

For me the question should be refocused, which quality manager would want to manage the club I'm the current position, with this number of points deducted.

Which manager without quality attacking players and with no possibility of signing quality players to strengthen the team due to efl restrictions, could have achieved more than Rooney.

What would tempt a quality manager into managing Derby this season.

Any manager knowing they could lose their job at Derby at any time due to the clubs debt.

Rooneys rumoured to be of interest to higher teams because of what's he achieved

Could Rooney go to Everton, where he might get more appreciation

It's a difficult one for a new owner, pay hmrc the debt owed or buy the club's assets in liquidation. 

Buying a club in liquidation means hmrc get a massively reduced amount.

The new owner could rename the club, and buy the ground from mm and training ground separately. 

Would that be financially beneficial for the new owners since they wouldn't be liable to hmrc in that situation.

Glad sky sports state the administrators are looking to sell the club in January.