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34 minutes ago, MuespachRam said:

But he didn’t forget…did you read the whole post.? 

no...?

15 minutes ago, tomsdubs said:

Lets see.

Bruce - Noted promotion specialist and considered a good man for a budget side. Had a decent career.

Giggs -  Did OK with Wales to be fair despite his personal qualities.

Hughes - Took Blackburn in to European football, had a reasonable management career with some big jobs.

Blanc - Won 8 trophies with PSG.

Keane - Does have a promotion to his name but in the end very average manager.

Robson - Oversaw the greatest escape in Prem history, other than that very average manager.

Strachan - Won 6 trophies in Scotland and wasn't too bad in the Prem.

 

Obviously a number of ex-players that weren't great but it seems a reasonable balance of success to me. Shall we list the Dutch managers or should we just save some time?

You forgot 

Scholes - Oldham

G. Neville - Valencia

Ince - Blackpool / Blackburn

Phelan - Hull

Stam - Reading

Sheringham - Stevenage 

Think of all the other clubs who cheated but got away with it because they got promoted, and how angry and insignificant that would make the EFL feel. It feels like the EFL are unleashing all that anger on us because we're the one club they've managed to hold on to.

In my opinion:

If it's 6 points we'll stay up

If it's 9 points it will be very close

If it's 12 points we're relegated

or

3-0 loss

56 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

What would everyone prefer to see out of the 4 below? 

Or maybe something else? 

          

When you play a back 3 doesn't at least one of the CBs need to have pace?

1 hour ago, Jubbs said:

Did it coincide with him getting arrested?

That's another thing. We also seem to like having players who've had run ins with the police

Butterfield

Ibe

Bennett

Lawrence

Morrison

Rooney

21 hours ago, MuespachRam said:

Blackman scored 11 goals in 58 seasons… he was always rubbish. 
 Actually looking down your list, they were all rubbish before, during and after being at Derby. 

That's some longevity though, he's been playing since 1963.

15 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

What a rediculous thread. 

YOUR SPELLING IS RIDICULOUS! 

37 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Which ones have gone on to do anything somewhere else? Then we can answer the (silly) question.

That's literally the point of my post.

22 minutes ago, Yani P said:

I would dare our recruitment team to put these on their resumes

It's funny how almost every aspect of the club recently seems to be in a perpetual state of change, but the one part that never changes is the constantly failing recruitment team.

36 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Did we actually ruin any of them players.

I don't look at any of them and think they got massively worse during their time with us.

We overpaid for some of them, bought some of them based on highlight reels and played some out of position.

Other than Anya, dont think we affected any of their careers though, they left exactly as the players we signed in my opinion.

What about:

Waghorn - 16 goals, 13 assists in 17/18

Lawrence - 9 goals, 11 assists in 16/17

Marriott - 27 goals in 17/18

Johnson - 15 goals in 14/15

I suppose you could say none of them were good for an extended period over multiple seasons. They're were all just part of Mel's short term gambling

30 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

I think that you're apportioning the blame in the wrong area, the majority of the players on the list were never worth the exorbitant transfer fees we paid for them and were judged accordingly against this inflated metric.

Actually many of them had a good season or half season before we signed them. Waghorn, Lawrence, Butterfield, Blackman, Jozefzoon, Johnson

29 minutes ago, MuespachRam said:

Albentosa…was rubbish when we signed him, was rubbish for us and is still rubbish now. 
Same for Blackman

Blackman did score 11 goals in 25 games at the start of the 15/16 season. He's done nothing in any other season but we were so short sighted and impulsive at the time I suppose one good half of a season was good enough for us.

Inspired by the other topic listing our best signings during the Mel era, I thought I'd bring a bit of positivity to this forum and list every player whose ruined or damaged their career by joining us during the Mel era. As in players who had a good reputation before joining Derby but were never played in the correct position or system, or whose confidence seemed to just disappear as soon as they joined us for whatever reason.

Jacob Butterfield

Raul Albentosa

Abdoul Camara

Nick Blackman

Bradley Johnson

Ikechi Anya

Tom Lawrence

Florian Jozefzoon

Jack Marriott

Martyn Waghorn

Kieran Dowell 

Mike te Wierik

Kamil Jozwiak (on the way to be)

Why has this happened so often? You could say it's because we changed manager so much but there's other clubs who sack their manager regularly and their players aren't affected on this scale. Did we overpay players that much that they joined us anyway even though they knew it might not be a good fit football wise? Is our recruitment just bad and these players were never good? What is it about Derby that seems to destroy the confidence of some players?

I personally think it's because each time we changed manager, their style varied too much from the last.

Take Dowell as an example: 

- Gets promoted with Sheff Utd

- Does nothing at Derby

- Scores 5 goals in 12 games for Wigan

- Now playing in the PL with Norwich

Bielik when he comes back from injury to save our season.

14 minutes ago, cosmic said:

Paul Ince? Matej Vydra? Bielik?

Jack Marriott before we ruined him?

I think we could make a longer list of players we've ruined than of good signings Mel's made.

Birmingham are just better in every way. Better GK, better defence, better strikers. They don't really have a midfield because they're so direct. 

Better manager with more Championship nous.

and the worse thing is they're not even good.

When Lawrence has an off day (which is more often than not) we have no attacking threat what so ever and it's been that way for a very long time. 

29 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

shambles.

like watching Cocu's team all over again. Let's pass it between the 2 CB's and GK until the opposition decide to press us, then panic and kick the ball anywhere.  Shocking. 

Surely Wayne knows these players are not capable of playing like Man City. So why continue to try it. 

But you were complaining last season about how bad the playing style was last season. Would we really win playing direct against this caveman Birmingham team?

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FRGS Baldock

1 minute ago, NottsRam77 said:

Can we change the thread title to embargo neverending ?