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Oddly, when everyone on both sides has finished strutting their stuff, that might be considered fair and reasonable. 
 
what really kills me is why on Earth can’t the EFL come clean. There can be absolutely nothing preventing them stating what penalty is incoming. The accounting investigations have been going on for years. 
 
What has the EFL actually said in the last 4 weeks except to apply the automatic deduction… absolutely nothing .. why ? And on what grounds ? There is supposed to be a set of rules which includes penalties and a means to appeal them. 
 
There really is only one conclusion .. they are waiting to see if we can beat the drop before revealing their hand. That is fundamentally dishonest and against the rules. 

As @PistoldPetesays, everyone apart from Prof Pope seems ok with what was done which suggests @Chris_Dthat maybe he's the one getting paid to say what a client wants.......
Surely, the only ones that matter in any case with compliance are those at Companies House? If it wasn't conforming to the requirements they would have been all over it.
It is clear that we exploited the poorly written rules and once Maguire highlighted it for what ever reason/agenda he had the EFL are saying it isn't correct to their 'hidden' interpretation, just because no one else has tried it that we know of.
They should take it on the chin and amend the rules if that's what they want it to be like in future,  not penalise retrospectively 

Until we see the overdue accounts, we've no way of knowing what's gone on with regard to funding.
 

As far as I know were not in lockdown and they don't have to have a vaccine.  They may choose to have one if they'd seen what I have over the last 18 months.  Perhaps they need permanently locking down.  What a load of nobbers.  

Legend. Needs a statue as big as the baseball ground, actually, just rebuild the baseball ground and we can move back over there. 
 

It's always been the same and with 90% of away fixtures the worst seats go on sale first.
I have written to the club about it in the past and get same answer as @Foreveram has given - it's away club choice.
Ironically in these covid times it means we are all bundled together in a corner of ground with huge empty swathes of unsold seats ( which stewards are very reluctant to let you spread out into.)
Even more ironically, I am not going to Preston as we both have covid, almost certainly caught at one of said fixtures - home or away.

Quoting my own words here . 
Think about this !! ??
Why would you sack 20 people saving on wages then spend 300k on the possible outcome of a negative appeal on the -12 . 
You wouldnt would you .
There is alot going off behind closed doors . Believe me we will win the appeal and it will be either 0 points deducted or -6 . But its going to come at a cost of accepting the 2nd one so we cant appeal it . There is a possibility we could just end up with -9  or get 2 x -6  . Somethings cooking behind the scenes as you dont spend 300k without knowing the result having sacked around 20 jobs . If you dont believe this then your probably in the same group as who believe Diana Spencer was accidently killed in that car crash .........wakey wakey people . 

Already had two, have we not! The former found in our favour, the latter saw the fitting post-appeal punishment as being nothing more than a paltry £100K fine. 
Frankly, you can roll your eyes all you like, but we're now in administration and I'd say that's ample punishment for using an amortisation policy that was neither outlawed under the EFL's own regs, nor FRS 102 non-compliant. These facts seem to have been lost in a tidal wave of fear and self-loathing that I'm totally at a loss to understand.

No you choose to disagree.  
Put it this way, do you think that covid has finished with us yet? We are still affected by it financially, and we may still find no buyers as a result of the current situation. How much punishment do you think EFL should be allowed to dish out to us for losing money because of covid? Banishment from the League and extinction, as they did with Bury?
 
Is there no limit to the amount of punishment you think EFL should give us, because you think to resist shows a lack of "class"?
 
  

Since Lockdown, Derby sold Bogle, Lowe, Bennett, Evans, Holmes, Whittaker and Gordon, for combined fees well in excess of £10 million. Plus saving their wages (seven players there). Didn't renew contracts for Martin, Huddlestone, Carson, Waghorn, Marriott, Malone, Jozefzoon, and Wisdom, and only retained Curtis Davies on massively reduced wages. Huge savings in the wage bill there... sixteen players I have mentioned plus many more.  
We only missed relegation by one point.  If we had cut back any more last season we would have been relegated with severe consequences for revenue this year ... yet still had wages to pay for Lawrence, Bielik and co .. probably gone into administration in the summer.
We signed nobody this summer except for free agents on League Ones salaries. Our most valuable players,  Bielik and Knight were both injured during the summer so unsaleable.     
I think there is a strong case we did everything we reasonably could to cut costs.  
 

We've been quietly taking 'our punishment' for 2 years now! For our supposed crimes and misdemeanours I'd venture we've paid a massive price already and yet you and some others feel we should just lie down and take even more.
Tell me, what's classy about being a lamb to the slaughter, because for the life of me, I don't see your point. 

It's nothing to do with "class" it's about being treated fairly by a truly independant arbiter.

If you ask me i think the efl and the administrators have already done a deal . Where going to get 6 points knocked off the admin penalty Buttttttttttt only if Derby accept a possible 9 points from the accounting mess up . So a total of -15 or maybe if we are ultra lucky -6 for them both . Which would tie into rooneys -12 we have a chance of getting out idea . 
I honestly think the efl do not want to see a club the size of Derby in a lower division even if the prat Steve Gibson does . 
Watch this space because i think all the deals have already been done on the penalty side of things , its just who is taking us over . 

Mel Morris and The Derby County Football Club Limited are completely separate legal entities.
His personal wealth should not come into the equation on this matter. 
The argument has to be that the £20m loss of income is what forced us into administration. 
Given that the debts are rumoured to be somewhere between £50m and £60m, I think we may struggle to convince people that Covid was the main factor.
There is also the issue of at what point in time Mel Morris decided that he was no longer going to finance the club, we know that at March 2019 he had given assurances that he would fund for at least 12 months.
From that point onwards if he can convinve the EFL that the business plan was sustainable then we might just have a case.
 

Think we'll struggle to win this one, but it's an interesting question and I don't blame the administrators for trying.
On the written reasons for rejecting Wigan's (similar) appeal the EFL dwelled a bit on their interpretation of a "force majeure" event re football clubs (which are almost always run at a loss, and often on the whim of a rich owner prepared to underwrite losses).
First, we are satisfied on the evidence we have seen that the Insolvency Event arose because Mr Kay, the effective owner, made a commercial decision to choose to go back on promises of continued support and stopped putting money into the Club. That cannot be regarded as a ‘Force Majeure’ event.
"In circumstances in which it is by no means uncommon in football generally and in the Championship in particular for a Club to depend on external support from its ultimate owners to bridge the gap between income and expenditure (at least without disposing of assets such as the playing staff), it is, we consider, a normal business risk that an owner will lose interest or run out of money and/or choose to deploy its resources elsewhere. This is what happened here."
I guess we need to clear a pretty high bar here. It's true that one key difference is that we had the same owner before Covid devastated our revenues (and he'd proven willing to sustain losses in the past). The problem we are likely to have is that our finances were a train wreck even before Covid, and that Mel ultimately chose (rather than was forced) to walk away.
It would also set a _very_ dangerous precedent for the EFL given that it's probably the threat of a 12 point deduction that is stopping other clubs following us into administration.
 

I can hear him Fizzing from here. 

I think this is a waste of time, but if by some absolute miracle we get the deduction removed or reduced the boiled piss from the rest of the teams and their fans in the division would be absolutely glorious.
Mr Pop would explode like a stick of dynamite.

Says a lot when Newcastle fans prefer being run by a bloke that gets people who disagree with him dismembered in an official embassy..

Ashley is a long, long way from being the most disreputable owner in English football. He's certainly not my ideal, but If you want to wait around for a model, squeeky-clean bidder, you might have a long wait and, in the meantime, DCFC in its current form will be no more.

Mike Ashley isn’t stupid enough to leap out of a frying pan and straight into a fire. Newcastle fans were harsh in their treatment of him imho. They have always been a nothing of a club with amazing support and always will be. It doesn’t matter how much money they have. The worlds best players will never live in Newcastle. They may get to top 4/5 but no higher. If he came to Derby( he won’t) but we should  consider ourselves extremely fortunate indeed. Don’t kid ourselves. We are a basket case of a club and should be happy to even be linked with a bloke of his proven business acumen 

I went for the Binnie Brothers. Its about time this club took a bit of a gamble.

Ashley has the money in his pocket and could probably buy it tomorrow if he wants it. If he wants it, I cannot see anyone beating him to it. He is entirely focussed to get administration bargains. I would welcome him. We would not go into administration with Ashley. More likely that he would make a few quid out of us when somebody offers big good money for us.

Also probably got a few thousand in his shed in Shirebrook!! 

I have a couple of exiled mates who live in Sheffield through work, Derby lads through and through and ST holders so are their kids, Notts will have the same issue as us, DCFC fans who live in the west of that county, Go to Chapel-en-le Frith and Glossop and you're right...Mancs and Scousers but born in Derbyshire...But Wembley in 75 it was full of Derbyshire Folk ?

Maybe that they saw him as a Cockney wide boy who wouldn't play their game, Still don't get why the Bar Codes think they're summat special, Good town for going on the lash, The Likely Lads, When the boat Comes In, Aufwiedersein Pet, Geordie Shore, Not forgetting those 2 talellntless geordies who present some game show or summat.