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Everyone gets over excited when we beat rubbish. Honestly with our squad we should have out our group to the sword and we didn't. Won't change till Southgate is on. Picking Mount over Grealish will never make sense.
 

My point comes back to sitting off massively after our early goal. We showed 0 ambition after that and as such deserved what we got.

Absolutely pathetic lack of ambition after we scored. We sat off. We got what we deserved. Southgate get out, people will act like you've done a great job but we had the best squad in the tournament and we should have won it easily. 

I won't. But regardless, if you are going to behave in such a self righteous manner about it and claim it's just football, I expect you to never react emotionally about a football game or I'll make the same point to yourself.

My point comes back to sitting off massively after our early goal. We showed 0 ambition after that and as such deserved what we got.

Everyone gets over excited when we beat rubbish. Honestly with our squad we should have out our group to the sword and we didn't. Won't change till Southgate is on. Picking Mount over Grealish will never make sense.
 

100%. Was the same at the World Cup too. 
And then the occasion, the spectacle of being in a final, is used as an excuse to cover up the fact that we're just not that good at football tbh. 
I think that it's possible to separate the football itself, as in; "are we actually any good?", from the enjoyment of getting far in a tournament, as in; "we're in a final!"... but it seems to me that most people get those two things conflated with each each other. 

Feel sorry for the people who've booked tomorrow off work now

Typical England... same old same old England.
"We got to a final" - yes, we did... but look at how Italy got to the final, beating Spain and Belgium, and then look at how we did it. Credit where it's due, we beat Ukraine and Denmark and managed to play out a goalless draw with a pub side from Scotland, and beat one of the worst Germany sides you've seen in years... so, credit for that England, sure. But really Italy deserve this FAR more than we do, and honestly if we'd have won the tournament tonight on penalties I think we'd have absolutely robbed them.
Once again, as soon as we come up against anybody half decent - we lose. The nation gets a massive boner over the team because "we're in a final" or "we're in a semi final", but we've got there really by getting lucky and being drawn against a bunch of far inferior teams which allows us to basically walk our way in to the latter stages, allows us to flatter to deceive, makes us look better than we actually are. It happened in the world cup and it happened again here. If we'd have played Italy, Belgium, Spain or France in the round of 16 we'd have been out ages ago.
On to the game itself... we had TWO shots on target. TWO. One of those came from our LEFT BACK.. our LEFT ducking BACK. A wealth of attacking talent, all millionaires, all star names for their clubs, and it's our left back who's getting the goal. Can anybody tell me who got our other shot on target, without googling it? I actually have no idea. It was probably a header from a corner. That's the way this England team plays... defend as though you believe the other team is better than you are, as if you're scared of them, despite the fact that any one of your players could walk in to the Danish side (for example), and then hope to grab a cheeky goal from a corner or an own goal or a penalty. It's ducking boring, it's ducking embarrassing, and it's ducking cowardly.
WHY ON EARTH was Saka expected to take that final penalty when there's seasoned and senior pros in the side who could have volunteered ahead of him? Where's our apparent golden boy Raheem Sterling? Didn't he fancy it?
Our supposed messiah of a manager made 2 substitutions with about 30 seconds to go, which I can only assume was so that those players could take a penalty... and they both missed. Bravo, Gareth. Bravo. I honestly feel really sorry for Jordan Pickford.
Anyone else notice that all 3 players who missed, and one for Italy in Jorginho, all took some elaborate run-up? Just run up to the ball and put your ducking laces through it for ducks sake.
It's boring! Can we not play like we want to win for once, rather than like we're just trying not to lose? Can we not HAVE A ducking GO?!
Please, somebody, tell me why I should believe that this England team are anything other than lucky to get this far in the first place, and why I should believe that we have any hope of doing well, or even playing anything remotely resembling entertaining football, at next years World Cup.

You realise there can only be one winner? What ifs and disappointment have already been raked over in Belgium, France, Spain, the Netherlands and Germany in the last couple of weeks.
England could also look far better by the time the next tournament comes around.

If Rashford and Sako were good enough that the manager thought that they could convert high pressure one on ones then why were they brought on with about 2 minutes to go.

Thought the England team did us proud. 
The fans once again brought shame on the country and probably cost us any chance of getting another tournament in the next twenty years. 
Don't blame the penalty takers. They were brave enough to step up to the plate. 
I have grown to respect this England team and will support them again as they try to bring it home from Qatar. 

Even if they didn't (I don't agree with you), fans aren't on the pitch. Fans aren't picking the formation, or the personnel. How much can shouting in a stand really do? And you have to accept, fans react to the way the players are playing. (Quoted this section because the post was long). 

People are desperately looking to lash at anyone they can, they know attacking Frank or the team wouldn't be popular after a half decent performance, so the fans are taking the brunt of it. This poo happens a few times a season, we have awful fans, why can't we be more like Leeds etc. duck that poo, our fans are no different to any other, they react to the pitch as you say.

Very few people are b. Most people have credible grievances with the fact that ''follow the science'' has turned into ''follow the really poor quality modelling which will inevitably be massively wrong in one weeks time''. You say you're not seeking to tar everyone who is unhappy with the same brush, yet are clearly pushing that way with your post, so who are you kidding? The amount of moonbat conspiracy theory types is a tiny fraction. Not worth bringing up, yet you do, in a way that I assume is to discredit legitimate arguments. 

Yeah I added that Times article for effect, the basic argument Dr Malone has is that we simply don't know what long term effects these vaccines have.  He points to the fact that they are already acting differently to what they expected and areas of concern that will take the best part of a decade to determine.  He doesn't outright say the vaccines are dangerous, just that they need to be studied to to determine just how safe they are. 
My take from that was if you're young and at minimal risk from covid and you determine that you're better off waiting you shouldn't feel compelled either via peer pressure or being denied access to certain events because you would rather adopt a wait and see approach until more data ha sbeen collected.  IMHO thats a sensible approach.

According to the videos I posted earlier the vaccine is already behaving differently to how they expected it to, normally a jab stays in your shoulder, your body creates antibodies and gets rid of it.  With the MRNA vaccines the spike proteins have been shown to spread throughout your body - hence the wide variety of side effects. 
Furthermore significant quantities of the spike proteins are ending up in your ovaries (if applicable 😛) and bone marrow.  One of the videos I posted included Dr Robert Malone, the inventor of the MRNA technology who supplied evidence to the FDA that the vaccines were behaving differently than anticipated and cited the ovary/bone marrow concerns - or reproduction problems and various cancers/lympomas etc. 
Dr Malone recommended 3, 6, 9 year studies into the vaccines but was basically told there was not enough evidence to back that up and the vaccines were safe.  To be clear, he wasn't saying the vaccines were dangerous, but there were areas of concern that should be studied before they could be deemed 100% safe.
Personally my opinion is that if you are young enough to be at such a low risk of a serious bout of covid, to carefully consider whether protecting yourself against a low chance of covid complications is worth the risk of any potential long term problems and to wait for the data to come in. 
Anyway...
 
 

IMO no one should be forced to have the vaccine either through peer pressure or being required to have had it to attend [insert event]
I posted the following a few pages back;
Brett Weinstein was talking about risks, including anaphlyaxis back in December - there is an excellent segment well worth watching in the following video (watch from approx 11m40s onwards)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIcV3rmk9hM
Furthermore that actual guy that invented mRNA technology said that the vaccine presents a health risk - another excellent 15m conversation here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY - although Politifact have decided its false information; 
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/16/youtube-videos/no-sign-covid-19-vaccines-spike-protein-toxic-or-c/
Personally, I think the vaccine is obviously highly effective at protecting against covid but both short and long term effects should not be so readily dismissed - especially for the younger generations that are at minimal risk from covid.

That’s absolutely ridiculous, at a time where people have lost businesses, homes and livelihoods the EFL in their total inept wisdom decide to not only raise the subscription fee, they ***** well doubled it!!  
 
Absolute bunch of clowns, the lot of them  

I'm beginning to think this Govt a revelling it their moment in history. Look at us, we saved the country and will be in the history books for ever. 
Get it sorted and quick. I've had enough.

We are in for a very tough winter ( get ready for more restrictions/ controls ) ,,?
by winter how many in this country will have been vaccinated and or had covid already? 
so what we are being told is vaccines don’t work and having it ( covid itself) gives no worthwhile immunity 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
on this basis there can literally NEVER be an end to government controlling people’s lives at the drop of a hat ,
the oldest and best trick in the book ,control the masses under the guise of keeping them safe once you’ve scared them witless and dropped a few sweets in their laps short term,
How are intelligent people swallowing this hook line and sinker even when the contradictions and different rules apply for the high ups is so in your face blatant,
the damage done to our children is already immense, never mind the world being created for them going forward
WOW

Some bloke on the news suggests we could have a COVID jab in one arm and a flu jab in the other at the same time this autumn.
Boris says flu may return this winter.
 
ive not watched the news for ages, I knew it was a mistake to keep the telly on after a superb evening of footie.
 
Does anyone actually believe this stuff anymore?

Saw this this morning and rolled my eyes...
 
 
A key strategy of this Government has been to release information through the media before it becomes reality.  I personally think that for some people, 2 jabs is enough and for a lot more people the July 19th extension is the last straw.
The GB News covid tweet I posted earlier in this thread (page 89) provided a bit of balance to the constant depressing news from BBC/Sky etc - they acknowledged that whilst infections were rising, hospital admissions had remained constant and discharge rates had improved massively with most patients only spending a couple of night in hospital now-a-days.  
I am personally sick of all the constant doom and gloom.

Doesn’t really matter if you agree with a lot of what I post and visa versa as people just can’t always agree on everything and as I posted the other day I’m pretty sure that most people on here would be pretty shocked to find people and their opinions are not so black and white opposed if they sat down to have a proper chat / debate over a coffee , it shocked me at first when certain people clearly saw me as right wing , borderline racist , now it just makes me chuckle as it’s miles off ,
I think your lads view is great and I respect it , as for my two I push them for and expect only that their decision be informed and thought through properly , luckily they are both fantastic kids I’m lucky to have🤷🏻‍♂️

He's 23 and is doing a masters at King's College so he's not really a boy anymore and has always been free to make his own calls anyway. He's a smart lad and responsible too, so there's never been too much to worry about on that score. Also, his degree and masters are both in pharmacology, so he's better placed to evaluate the risks than most. His thinking was that he saw the risk as minimal but moreover, he wanted to protect his mum.  She's a fell runner and compulsive hiker and therefore fit as fook, but has quite bad asthma and is considered high risk as a consequence. Likewise his nan and elderly aunts whom he sees quite often, as they all cook a mean roast dinner! He also lives in London which would be higher risk than most regions, I'd suspect.
Whilst I don't agree with a lot of what you post, I do share your view that nobody should be forced to take the vaccine, but in all honesty, I'm quite pleased he made the choice he did. My other half is a deep water swimmer (one of these nutters who swims extreme distances) so her aerobic fitness was off the charts, but her recovery from (presumably) long Covid has been pretty arduous, though thankfully she finally seems to have taken a big step forward over the last week. I look at the year she's endured and can't help thinking that simply believing it won't affect you because of a perceived lower risk profile is a bit silly. In my experience, life doesn't fit into an Excel spreadsheet, quite the opposite.