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An alternative title for this thread "Tell the forum roughly how old you are without actually stating your age". 

The silverware point has always been a disingenous one because it ignores huge swathes of context. Pochettino never won a trophy at Spurs, yet provided the context of what he achieved there you'd be a fool to say he did a bad job. McClaren is the same, did a wonderful job at all 3 clubs you mentioned. It's disrespectful for people to compare Rooney to him. 

I can’t believe it’s even a question, really. After what he did at Boro, Twente...he’s the best manager we’ve had in the last ten years...twice!
Perhaps trophies/silverware/promotions are the only merit you have for success. If so, OK. But that’s just not how I see the game. 

Rooney certainly didn't carry us to safety, other teams just allowed us to limp over the line. 

Oh no @IslandExile you'll summon all the pro Rooney poll haters. 

My option isn't there.
I hate polls. 
Where is the 'I'm not sure' option.
Why are you making me do this poll? 
I don't know what to put so I'm going to vote for the opposite of everyone else. 
Can we not just celebrate for one day? 
It's an agenda. 
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Are you trying to drive Curtains mad?!

Steve McClaren has never succeeded as a manager and Wayne Rooney (as a manager) is comparable to Sir Alex Ferguson and Brian Clough?

Or looked at another way....
Only 1 win in 15 games, 6 defeats in a row and only drawing the last game very nearly relegated us.

Not sure what is baalocks there? Did Rotherham not concede in the 88th minute. A goal that kept us up? 

If you think that what he has achieved this season has been a success and merits him another go next season, then good for you, but don’t accuse me of using skewed logic when you are the one doing so. Nearly driving a car off a cliff before suddenly finding the handbrake does not make him a good driver.

If Rotherham hadn't conceded an equaliser in the 88th minute, Wayne Rooney would have driven us out of the Championship and into League One. If Wednesday hadn't started the season with a points deduction, he would have managed it weeks earlier.
He has managed 1 win in his last 15 games as manager of this football team, and has a win percentage so bad that only Paul Jewell and Nigel Pearson out-fail him. 
And people want him to be backed to the hilt over the summer and lead us into next season? I just do not understand it. Not at all.
Saying that: it's all about opinions. This is football, as the great man said. Would love to be convinced otherwise and change my mind on the whole thing. 
But giving the job to Wayne Rooney looked like a bad idea at the time and turned out to be...a bad idea. An idea so bad that it went to the final day, the final minute of another team's game, for complete and utter disaster to be avoided. Why would you not want to move on from this?

1. ROONEY OUT - I have nothing against Rooney and completely believe that he's put everything into this job to make it successful. I just don't like the way he's gone about things, particularly going all out on 'survival football' to only produce 1 win in the last 15 games, resulting in 12 goals. 9 in 14 matches before the last game. The performances of players have gone backwards, almost unanimously, so with a squad of a lot of young players it has huge detrimental impact both on their short and long-term performances. It's not just Rooney, though, the entire coaching staff looks to be completely out of their depth. 
2. MEL'S FAULT - First, let's just remember that under Mel before this season our lowest placed finish was last year in 10th. I have to believe that's because he was fully invested in the club and although he knew he needed to cut the wage bill and couldn't be as free-spending. He had a plan in place to progress the youth players under a manager who had a very good reputation of doing just that. It was slower than we had all hoped, but after a turbulent summer we eventually found our feet. We did stutter towards the finish line after COVID which obviously carried into this season and Cocu losing his job. However, in the summer, he had already had talks about selling the club and ultimately took his eye off the ball. It resulted in a poor summer in the transfer market where we struggled to bring in a replacement for the outgoing Chris Martin and a poor short-sighted transfer in Max Lowe and Jayden Bogle for next to nothing, possibly to short change Swindon out of some money with a higher proportion levied against Lowe than Bogle. I don't know. I just feel now, with hindsight, the signs were there to try and get by until a new owner took charge as it looked to him any benefit in promotion wouldn't be in his interest. I felt like he made some easy decisions to keep the profile of the club high, with Rooney already being at the club, along with holding back on his financial input as the takeover that was never-to-be cut into January. He simply hasn't had an eye on the long-term of the club. I think we sold Kaide Gordan cheap, along with other academy players in January, because it allowed us to get money in now rather than hold out for a better fee. The one to United was so bad they reportedly loaned us a player as an apology. I guess we will find out in time. In all, it's a catalogue of errors made by a man whose interest had waned. We've seemingly been at threat of some punishment by the Football League for a couple of years now, which ironically will impact us when we have no money to spend and no senior players in the team. I understand Mel is different to me, but I'd like to see if a takeover doesn't happen that he's willing to bring in some players for the long-term health of the club. Not just stick a few loans in with our academy players and think jobs a good'un. 
3. NO TO ALONSO - I mean, I don't know how anyone can say yes? Let's just put in black and white what we know: 1) He has known associations with people who have an extremely poor reputation in the game - including the guy who about destroyed Charlton, Matt Southall. Apparently, he's the guy who tipped him that we were on the market in the first place which is worrying enough. 2) He's from a fairly wealthy family, however we know that it won't be his family's money he's using. We don't know, really, where the money is coming from. He's had a few claims refuted, for example being Bali FC chairman/investor and an agent to certain players, plus he doesn't seem to have any outstanding businesses. He's a boxing promoter working predominantly in Indonesia. Eddie Hearn is arguably the most successful boxing promoter on the planet, with many of the largest fighters on the planet under his brand, yet he wouldn't be able to raise the capital it would cost to buy Derby County. 3) he's not even the owner of the club, yet he's already everywhere talking absolute waffle and just being a twit on Twitter. It's quite frankly astonishing he's even being considered. I don't think there is enough material on the planet to make a red flag so big to highlight just how much of a concern this guy is. He's the Spanish Alan Hardy. 

Yes, but it's hard to get a sense of how many people support each side. That's the point of the poll. 

Clear off Curtains. It's certainly not a wind up, why aren't people allowed to ask questions? If you don't wanna vote, fine, why would polls be banned? 

1) Out -  I just don't see how his position is remotely tenable and I think if his name was John Smith this wouldn't even be a discussion. Given the level of the squad (which I perceive is around midtable in quality), the players coming back from fitness and the amount of time available I'd have expected any semi-competent manager to have guided us out of trouble and already be well on their way to outlining their style and developing some of the younger players. I've seen very little to suggest that our survival was anything more than briefly having Bielik fit, getting CKR fit, getting Rooney (who was an increasing liability) out of the team and happenstance (what with Rotherham's fixture pile up and Wednesday's points deduction). There's just hasn't been a deal there that to me would suggest that it would be correct to continue on with Rooney and I think we would be much better off starting the new season with a completely clean slate.
2) Coaching Staff - This feels somewhat a trick question because you can easily make a case for any of the three questions and it's very clearly a combination of all of the above. Personally I think the two strongest cases you can make are with an underperforming squad the buck stops with the coaching staff or with an underperforming coaching staff the buck stops with the management of the club as a whole. I went Coaching Staff but I don't think there is a huge amount between any option.
3) No - There is a lot about Alonso that seems dubious. There is big question marks over money but then there are some other rumbling questions like his general attitude and what happened at Wednesday. The entire thing just screams of red flags to me and I think I will be relieved if it just quietly goes away.  

Yes, but it's hard to get a sense of how many people support each side. That's the point of the poll. 

Upon conclusion of the season I thought I'd do yet another poll thread, this time with additional questions (how fun). 

it is, I just don't think ''not sure'' is a good answer on a poll. If you're not sure, then don't vote. That's down to preference. 

How is it anyone can be voting on ''not sure'', it isn't like once you pick a side you're forced to stick by it forever more and people will use it as a stick to beat you. It's an anonymous poll on dcfcfans about Derby County. Pick the option you think is best and if you change your mind a day later, guess what, nothing happens. It isn't that deep. 

No! It's part of my Rooney out masterplan conspiracy to ruin everyone's happiness, how can't you see that?

No! It's part of my Rooney out masterplan conspiracy to ruin everyone's happiness, how can't you see that?

It's time for him to move on. He isn't up to it at this level any more.

Upon conclusion of the season I thought I'd do yet another poll thread, this time with additional questions (how fun). 

Ha ha and ha. 
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