Millenniumram

@B4’s Sister

I was told by someone who’s got stuff right before that McGoldrick wanted out of Derby, long before Notts County were promoted. The reason why he was so desperate to leave is a mystery, but it’s not out the realms of possibility that the manager who accused him of faking injury might well have been a factor. 
Paul Warne has had over a year now to get to grips with the team. Time is no excuse. Not many managers get that amount of time (as evidenced by the fact he’s already the 8th longest serving manager in the league). 
Oxford did spend well, so why couldn’t we? And don’t give me the EFL restrictions, we still had plenty to spend on wages, and recruited poorly.
Oxford made more changes over the summer than we did, and are currently performing much better. The excuses made for Warne wear me down, they really do. It’s crap, he should be doing much better than he is. we have more than enough quality in this squad to compete.

This ref is so bad the EFL are writing him a contract

This ref is so bad the EFL are writing him a contract

This ref is so bad the EFL are writing him a contract

Also known as over a third of the season

Ah the classic, “that’s your opinion” argument that’s always rolled out when someone doesn’t have anything proper to say back. I could make exactly the same point about your opinion that Warne is doing a good job, but I won’t because it’s stupid and defeats the object of a forum.
And it’s not a veiled criticism at all. I’m happy to say, outright, that I do not believe David Clowes is doing a very good job at running Derby County at present. That’s not a criticism of the man, who will always be a hero for saving the club, but a criticism of his decision making. Im not calling for his head, of course not, but he’s not immune from debate. 
Replacing a young, likeable, tactically astute coach in Rosenior with a footballing dinosaur in Paul Warne, who it is now clear is not capable of managing a big club and is personally disliked by a growing portion of the fanbase, appears now to be an absolute disasterclass of a decision, almost out the Mel Morris book. That sounds harsh, and it is, because we can only see this now with the benefit of hindsight - at the time it looked a good move based on Warne’s track record, so I do feel for Clowes, I really do. But he HAS to bite the bullet and correct his mistake. Another two years of this and we’ll still be in the godforsaken league, with dwindling crowds and an ever weakening squad. Warne has it way too comfortable at the moment, which his performance does not deserve.
The lack of clear vision is also concerning. We’ve brought in aging old players, and have shown no desire at all to give academy prospects a chance. Our recruitment does not appear to have improved since Morris either, with players like Bradley and Washington taking a significant portion of the budget and contributing precious little. 
All in all, a sub par performance as chairman so far I’m afraid.

I would agree with @Millenniumram that the quality of this division is weaker than in recent years & that we should therefore be a lot closer to the top 2 than we currently are.
Firstly, of the 3 relegated teams from the Championship two of them have had points deductions & sit bottom half as things stand. Ordinarily recently relegated sides would be top 6 contenders - for example us, Barnsley & Peterborough last year. That removes 2 threats.
Secondly, two well resourced teams in Sheffield Wednesday & Ipswich have left the division so removing two further threats - we are now competing with clubs with far lower revenue than ourselves based purely on crowd numbers - at this level in the absence of meaningful TV money, that is the key differential. Hence I would struggle to believe Oxford or Portsmouth have a larger wage bill than Derby on average crowds of 18k and 9k respectively & with far inferior corporate entertainment facilities.
To illustrate the point about the general quality of the division, Stevenage were promoted from League Two in May but currently sit in 4th place - 5 points ahead of Derby & only 3 points off top two. Their average crowds are below 5k - again, I don't think anyone could seriously argue their budget is comparable to ours or that they would have been anywhere near 4th at this point last season.
It surprises me how many of our fans seem content with a mere playoff push given the opportunity this season presents & how long Warne has had in post to shape his team & tactics. You mention we lost our best player in the summer but the overall squad is now much better balanced, hence I don't accept 7th on goal difference is anything other than a sub-par performance as things stand.

f*** me, two yellow cards in two minutes. That’s not a good look for him.

Ah, makes more sense then, cheers!

Not sure if he did get two yellows or that's just showing incorrectly. He went in with a high foot to bring down a high ball and slightly caught an Egypt player's nose. He was initially given a yellow and then I believe the ref changed it to red.

You say he's one of the worst posters, have you read every single post he's ever made? And why are you only judging him on posts he's made in the past, and not hypothetical posts he might make in the future? He's only one good post away from the top six. And he has a post in hand. And you know David can't afford to ban him, so get used to him because he's going nowhere.
He's got one of the best defensive post records on the forum, don't forget that.

I was told by someone who’s got stuff right before that McGoldrick wanted out of Derby, long before Notts County were promoted. The reason why he was so desperate to leave is a mystery, but it’s not out the realms of possibility that the manager who accused him of faking injury might well have been a factor. 
Paul Warne has had over a year now to get to grips with the team. Time is no excuse. Not many managers get that amount of time (as evidenced by the fact he’s already the 8th longest serving manager in the league). 
Oxford did spend well, so why couldn’t we? And don’t give me the EFL restrictions, we still had plenty to spend on wages, and recruited poorly.
Oxford made more changes over the summer than we did, and are currently performing much better. The excuses made for Warne wear me down, they really do. It’s crap, he should be doing much better than he is. we have more than enough quality in this squad to compete.

You’ve answered your own question - I said probably the worst league one in years. I’m not claiming I’m a league one expert, it’s based on this year being a lot worse than last year.
It’s not an unreasonable view to hold, but then again it’s not like you to not allow anyone to hold an opinion that they can’t prove irrefutably with facts. One of the worst posters on here by a mile

It’s the Derby way!

The point is we SHOULD be as dominant as them this season in this league. As I’ve emphasised many times, it’s truly f****** awful. The gap between this and the championship is huge. It’s probably the worst league one in years, we absolutely should be dominating it with the quality at our disposal.

Best thing about that is we stole the guy responsible for recruitment at Oxford. As soon as he left them, they fly up the table. As soon as he joins us, well. No need to go over it again.

I was told by someone who’s got stuff right before that McGoldrick wanted out of Derby, long before Notts County were promoted. The reason why he was so desperate to leave is a mystery, but it’s not out the realms of possibility that the manager who accused him of faking injury might well have been a factor. 
Paul Warne has had over a year now to get to grips with the team. Time is no excuse. Not many managers get that amount of time (as evidenced by the fact he’s already the 8th longest serving manager in the league). 
Oxford did spend well, so why couldn’t we? And don’t give me the EFL restrictions, we still had plenty to spend on wages, and recruited poorly.
Oxford made more changes over the summer than we did, and are currently performing much better. The excuses made for Warne wear me down, they really do. It’s crap, he should be doing much better than he is. we have more than enough quality in this squad to compete.

I get your point, but I’d then argue that a “minimum acceptable level” should be promotion by any means - be it playoffs or Top Two. Do we look like achieving that under Paul Warne? In my opinion we do not, and he should be dismissed whilst there’s still them for another manager to achieve that.

I’ve seen enough of league one over the past two seasons to know the quality in it is absolutely dire. And it’s even worse this season compared to last season.
What it was like before we were in it isn’t particularly relevant anyway. The point is it’s f****** dreadful right now, and it’s getting worse. I’d be very surprised if it’s been this bad in the last 10 years based on the difference between this season and last season.

The point is we SHOULD be as dominant as them this season in this league. As I’ve emphasised many times, it’s truly f****** awful. The gap between this and the championship is huge. It’s probably the worst league one in years, we absolutely should be dominating it with the quality at our disposal.

There’s certainly some examples out there, though how sane you take the owners is of course up for debate. We scaled Clement while in 5th, McClaren after finishing 8th. Birmingham sacked Eustace in 6th. Not saying any of those are the correct decision - but the main point is, the end of the season isn’t the only time you can judge a manager.
For what it’s worth - I prefer to look at it this way. Manchester City are favourites for the Premier League title. If they found themselves in 7th place, and out of the champions league in the group stage (roughly equivalent to our FA cup and League cup first round exits), would Guardiola be under pressure? Even with his incredible record, I think questions would be being asked. And Warne hasn’t built up anywhere near the same level of respect.

BTW I'm sorry for your loss chaps. I had only just seen the posts about B4 on your main thread. 
Wish my best to you all and his family. 

Ah the classic, “that’s your opinion” argument that’s always rolled out when someone doesn’t have anything proper to say back. I could make exactly the same point about your opinion that Warne is doing a good job, but I won’t because it’s stupid and defeats the object of a forum.
And it’s not a veiled criticism at all. I’m happy to say, outright, that I do not believe David Clowes is doing a very good job at running Derby County at present. That’s not a criticism of the man, who will always be a hero for saving the club, but a criticism of his decision making. Im not calling for his head, of course not, but he’s not immune from debate. 
Replacing a young, likeable, tactically astute coach in Rosenior with a footballing dinosaur in Paul Warne, who it is now clear is not capable of managing a big club and is personally disliked by a growing portion of the fanbase, appears now to be an absolute disasterclass of a decision, almost out the Mel Morris book. That sounds harsh, and it is, because we can only see this now with the benefit of hindsight - at the time it looked a good move based on Warne’s track record, so I do feel for Clowes, I really do. But he HAS to bite the bullet and correct his mistake. Another two years of this and we’ll still be in the godforsaken league, with dwindling crowds and an ever weakening squad. Warne has it way too comfortable at the moment, which his performance does not deserve.
The lack of clear vision is also concerning. We’ve brought in aging old players, and have shown no desire at all to give academy prospects a chance. Our recruitment does not appear to have improved since Morris either, with players like Bradley and Washington taking a significant portion of the budget and contributing precious little. 
All in all, a sub par performance as chairman so far I’m afraid.

Also known as over a third of the season