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    WhiteHorseRam got a reaction from Angry Ram in Brexit or Eurin?   
    Fair enough.
    On the hard thing... keep telling yourselves often enough and it might come true.ūüėÄ
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to i-Ram in Tory party eats itself   
    I think it’s Wolfie’s turn.
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to Angry Ram in Brexit or Eurin?   
    We’re hard down here.. 
    Did not realise I had a daughter.. And she is getting married! Am I paying?
    I think @RamNut had it right..
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    WhiteHorseRam got a reaction from A Ram for All Seasons in Brexit or Eurin?   
    Really?
    I have just had a chat with your 20 yr old son who has started a new job.
    His boss has him contracted to work 48 hrs a week, so usually Monday to Friday he works 8am to 6pm, all for £4.50 a hour.
    He got funny when your lad asked about doing a relevant training course and said if he wanted to do it he'd have to do it in leave time, and he'd have to pay for it himself. 
    Your lad hasn't asked him yet about having that week off for your daughter's wedding, but he knows it will be a difficult conversation.
    He is having to put aside some of his crummy wages to go into his pension pot, which he is having to build up all on his own.
    He would speak up but he knows his Boss could just fire him with no recourse.
    That's the kind of job situation that pic builds in my mind. Could be all rowllocks, but I am a bit non-plussed you had no problem with it bar the last.
    I would imagine no one in the Commons would be up for the imagined job either - they can't vote themselves 10/11% pay rises on top of heaps, spaff £000s on train tickets and have an amazing subsidised bar.
    I am sure you are going to come at me telling me your son works as Sales Director in the gold-plated coat hanger business you have building up since you were 12, and that you get up before you got bed, have a handful of grit for breakfast and it never did you any harm.
     
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    WhiteHorseRam got a reaction from A Ram for All Seasons in Brexit or Eurin?   
    Really?
    I have just had a chat with your 20 yr old son who has started a new job.
    His boss has him contracted to work 48 hrs a week, so usually Monday to Friday he works 8am to 6pm, all for £4.50 a hour.
    He got funny when your lad asked about doing a relevant training course and said if he wanted to do it he'd have to do it in leave time, and he'd have to pay for it himself. 
    Your lad hasn't asked him yet about having that week off for your daughter's wedding, but he knows it will be a difficult conversation.
    He is having to put aside some of his crummy wages to go into his pension pot, which he is having to build up all on his own.
    He would speak up but he knows his Boss could just fire him with no recourse.
    That's the kind of job situation that pic builds in my mind. Could be all rowllocks, but I am a bit non-plussed you had no problem with it bar the last.
    I would imagine no one in the Commons would be up for the imagined job either - they can't vote themselves 10/11% pay rises on top of heaps, spaff £000s on train tickets and have an amazing subsidised bar.
    I am sure you are going to come at me telling me your son works as Sales Director in the gold-plated coat hanger business you have building up since you were 12, and that you get up before you got bed, have a handful of grit for breakfast and it never did you any harm.
     
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    WhiteHorseRam got a reaction from A Ram for All Seasons in Brexit or Eurin?   
    Really?
    I have just had a chat with your 20 yr old son who has started a new job.
    His boss has him contracted to work 48 hrs a week, so usually Monday to Friday he works 8am to 6pm, all for £4.50 a hour.
    He got funny when your lad asked about doing a relevant training course and said if he wanted to do it he'd have to do it in leave time, and he'd have to pay for it himself. 
    Your lad hasn't asked him yet about having that week off for your daughter's wedding, but he knows it will be a difficult conversation.
    He is having to put aside some of his crummy wages to go into his pension pot, which he is having to build up all on his own.
    He would speak up but he knows his Boss could just fire him with no recourse.
    That's the kind of job situation that pic builds in my mind. Could be all rowllocks, but I am a bit non-plussed you had no problem with it bar the last.
    I would imagine no one in the Commons would be up for the imagined job either - they can't vote themselves 10/11% pay rises on top of heaps, spaff £000s on train tickets and have an amazing subsidised bar.
    I am sure you are going to come at me telling me your son works as Sales Director in the gold-plated coat hanger business you have building up since you were 12, and that you get up before you got bed, have a handful of grit for breakfast and it never did you any harm.
     
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to Angry Ram in Brexit or Eurin?   
    Apart from the last point, I don’t have many issues. 
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to CornwallRam in Brexit or Eurin?   
    1 I think that there will be a resurgence of UKIP, but that'll hit Labour too. The Lib Dems and Greens are also likely to win extra votes as the big two are so useless. I think that both Labour and Tory votes will fall by similar percentages.
    2 Not a snowball's chance that more than a handful of former Tories will vote for a hard left Labour party. Labour wins when it takes the centre ground because it does take some disaffected Tory votes. Corbyn may have reinvigorated the left and made a good impression on the young, but he's ignored the centre. 
    3 I think Labour will lose more votes to abstentions than the Tories. Centre left voters won't vote Tory, can't bring themselves to support Corbyn and Cable is still thought of as one of Clegg's gang of scabs. Whereas unhappy Tory voters feel that not voting could usher in the hard left. They'll reluctantly continue to vote Tory or vote UKIP.
    I can't see a way back for Labour, which let's the Tories off by default. 
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to CornwallRam in Brexit or Eurin?   
    Sadly, I think you are wrong. They deserve to be, but that pre-supposes that the public will prefer another party and the only realistic option in England is Labour. Momentum have taken over Labour to such a huge degree that Labour is heading towards being openly Marxists and any MPs not from the hard left are being deselected. Sadly, Labour are vying with the Tories in the making themselves unelectable race. The Tories will probably actually stay in power as they have more powerful backing. 
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to CornwallRam in Tory party eats itself   
    And you have just given a prime example of the problem with Corbynistas. Whenever they lose the argument they resort to name calling and labels.
    I am a pragmatist. I don't believe that dogma has all the answers. I don't agree with the simplistic ideas of either the far right or the far left. I'm naturally more attuned with the policies of the hard left, but they are so often not backed up by practical analysis - often they come directly from the political theories put forward by Marx and Engels. To support an idea because it was written in an old book is directly comparable with religious beliefs - and I don't share any of those either for the same reasons.
    Most of the Brexiteers are the mirror image of the Corbyn faction. They also follow a dogma of nationalism, small state ideology  and inflexible trickle down economics. I also disagree with them, but despise them far more than the hard left, who I believe at least are trying to help the majority, albeit in a naive and unworkable way. The hard right are just as detached from the real world, but nasty and unpleasant with it.
    I don't care whether something is publicly owned or not. I do care that the economy is strong and sustainable and that the state helps those who need help with efficiency and effectiveness. If it turns out that a private hospital can do hip replacements in a local area cheaper and quicker than an NHS hospital, whilst providing the same quality care, paying it's staff properly and not destroying the environment, then I think it is right that the NHS should use that facility. Yet if the private hospital cuts costs and makes the lives of its staff miserable, whilst offering a poorer service than the local NHS hospital, then clearly the NHS should do those opps in house. 
    I believe that politics should be driven by thought, analysis and practicality, not archaic notions and closed minds.
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to sage in Tory party eats itself   
    Obviously the more left wing a Labour leader is the more the Tory press will attack him. However it is still possible to represent the underdog and win.
    Whilst not being as left wing as you and I would like, to dismiss the Blair government as being identical to the Tories is ridiculous.
    More funding to NHS and education, minimum wage, sure start, working families tax credit. All good policies and achievements. Won't begin to defend Iraq and PFI etc but it can't just be written off. ,  
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to sage in Tory party eats itself   
    If he would stand....Dan Jarvis
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to sage in Tory party eats itself   
    The last election had a poor PM an appalling Tory campaign, a collapsing UKIP vote, a joke Lim Dem leader,  a well organised Labour campaign and a largely good manifesto. We came second.
    The reality is there are hundreds of thousands of potential Labour voters who won't vote for Corbyn. They perceive him as being too left wing with links to the IRA and Hamas. That may ne an unfair view ut it is a common and well established one.
    It is possible to be left wing and not a fan of Corbyn. It is possible to be not a fan of Blair and Corbyn. It is possible to want Labour to win but think they won't.  
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to sage in Tory party eats itself   
    I didn't realise I was driven my deregulation and privatisation or that I had sabotaged the leadership. I am pretty left wing.
    I just don't think he can win a general election.  .  
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to 1of4 in Tory party eats itself   
    A question I asked many moons ago. Was told by numerous brexiteers on here that nobody knew what Brexit would look like till it happened, just happy that we were leaving. Now it appears alot of the leave voters are unhappy with the type of brexit we might be actually getting.
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to Paul71 in Tory party eats itself   
    I dont know what the answer is. 
    The conservatives clearly arent fit for purpose under her leadership.
    But are labour a suitable alternative right now? With the mess may has got herself and her party into labour should be streets ahead in opinion polls,  the fact they arent suggests we as an electorate just haven't got a clue who to turn to to sort this mess out.
    David Cameron has to share a huge part of the responsibility for plunging us into this have boris and nigel farage for painting a picture of how brexit might benefit us with little foundation.
    Before we voted each side,  remain or leave should have presented at least a draft version of how things will be post brexit. 
     
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to PistoldPete2 in Tory party eats itself   
    Is tony Blair standing for election? the term blairite should be retired along with him. Seems to be used as a term of abuse to anyone to the right of Corbyn, ie to just about everyone.
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to StivePesley in Bring back hanging...   
    In all honesty if people don't want to take the time to understand me and dismiss me as a knob, I'm absolutely fine with that. I am a bit of a knob  but my heart is in the right place (turn left at my testicles and look up) x
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to CornwallRam in Tory party eats itself   
    Yes - did you?
    Not that all of his ideas are wrong, and the manifesto was reasonably impressive, but devil is always in the detail.
    When Corbyn comes up against a problem he reverts to type and proposes a Marxist solution. How do we sort out the railways - nationalise them because it's a magical panacea to cure all problems. How do we solve the NHS - throw money at it and remove all private involvement. I wouldn't argue that either answer is necessarily wrong, but why will nationalisation and removing private enterprise help? All I hear is vague notions that rather than going to shareholders, the profits can be reinvested in the railways, but those profits are tiny. As it happens I agree that the railways should be renationalised, but for practical rather than dogmatic reasons - integration is the key to safety, economies of scale, long term decision making and environmental issues.
     
    ...and despite the impressive manifesto, a well fought Labour campaign, economic stagnation, Brexit chaos and a Tory leader with the charisma of toad, the Tories are still in power. Jeremy Corbyn did well for Jeremy Corbyn, but not well for an opposition leader in such circumstances.
     
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to CornwallRam in Tory party eats itself   
    It's not social democracy, it's hard left socialism. Social democracy embraces business and capital, but seeks to share out the profits so that all benefit, not just the wealthy elite. Corbyn's only ideas are a dogmatic insistence on nationalising everything and borrowing to pay for increases in public spending (which I agree is necessary) with no plan to balance the spending cycle (which is crucial or the economy booms and then tanks). It won't tackle any fundamental issues.
    And an unelectable opposition is actually worse than useless. 
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to sage in Tory party eats itself   
    This is the tragedy I spoke of in an earlier post.
    Amidst all this carnage, Labour are still 2 points behind in the polls.
     
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to CornwallRam in Tory party eats itself   
    There's a good argument to say that Chamberlain was a brilliant leader.
    He realised that if Britain took on Germany too early we would lose heavily. We had too few trained men, obsolete armour, half of our planes were still bi-planes and a tired Navy. Russia was on Germany's side and the political consensus in the US was to leave Europe to sort itself out. Chamberlain didn't take on Hitler, because he knew we would lose in about a week. Instead he talked and tried to diffuse the situation, yet in the background and without fanfare he put the country onto a war footing. We started churning out tanks and spitfires, training soldiers and planning for naval operations. This wasn't the result of negotiations failing, it was a calculated strategy. By the time he drew the line in the sand over Poland, we were too strong for Hitler to roll in and conquer the way he did with much of the rest of Europe. 
    Theresa May may well be the second worse PM ever - David Cameron being undisputed worst of all time, but there have been many worse than Neville Chamberlain.
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    WhiteHorseRam reacted to StivePesley in Bring back hanging...   
    That would't be very mature would it...
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    WhiteHorseRam got a reaction from Angry Ram in Brexit or Eurin?   
    True enough.
    The Tories are falling out about it and are clearly split down the middle one way or another - but at least they are out having a pop at each other.
    Labour even more split - but no one is allowed to say. 
    A GE right now will/would be a disaster, not sure any party would get a clear result. In which case - 
    Tories + Lib Dems = that ain't happening again
    Labour + Lib Dems = Maybe - as long as Vince controlled the Piggy Bank
    Tories  + NI Unionists = maybe, though the NI crowd would end up living in gold houses
    Labour + SNP = would be toxic everywhere - north and south of the border, and would last about 10 minutes
    Not so much reach for the pop corn than start stuffing your gear into bin bags .....
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    WhiteHorseRam got a reaction from StivePesley in Bring back hanging...   
    Quick @StivePesley replace Frankie Pankie with that ... @archied given you a nugget there
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