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07 May 2022 Derby 4 - Cardiff 0
Derby, against all odds, make history and avoid relegation.......

07 May 2022 Derby 4 - Cardiff 0
Derby, against all odds, make history and avoid relegation.......

Note: “ensure the principles of the regulations were upheld”
not “the regulations were upheld” 
which basically confirms that they have made an example of us… disgusting. Not fit to lead.
Wonder if we’ll find out how much our overspend was and how that compares to Reading when they get the same deduction.

Really saccharine statement from the EFL that galls.  
Trevor Birch, EFL Chief Executive said: “The EFL’s objective throughout this ongoing process has been to ensure that the principles of the Regulations were upheld on behalf of all Clubs......."except of course if they get promotion as a result of blatantly ignoring those rules then we'll quietly...ahem.....ignore it". 
Does this finally mean we can finally move on from this mess....finally?  
And roll on independent regulator please. 

This is the exact reason I am still so angry about this whole debacle.  We were guilty of poor communication and fined £100K.  We still didn't break the law. Bent the EFL's rules maybe, but that's it.  We didn't hide it.  We didn't try and cover it up.  We didn't do anything illegal.  Being forced to re-do accounts based of how the EFL wanted it applied (contrary to usual industry practices), we're found to be what? £4m over?  The punishment applied to us for the past 2 years, (courtesy of THEIR delays, change of approach, changes of mind, incompetence, call it what you will), plus the 12 points for Admin far exceeds the perceived crime already.  We couldn't take the loan, which may have stopped Admin, because they had put us in a position such we wouldn't qualify. And to now apply another 9 points, for barely £4m is incredible.....a discrepancy only created because the EFL having previously accepted our accounts for nigh on 4 years changed their minds as a result of a certain person pointing the anomaly out to them.   How does that equate to Reading's breach, over 10x ours, but receiving the same penalty.  Plus of course 3 suspended due to late wages (yeah, Mel should have paid).  I honestly truly don't get it.  
I do get the Administrators wanting to just lie down and accept it all, so we can get a clean slate and move on, but I really hate the fact we have (IMO of course) been unjustly treated and have just accepted it whilst the EFL get away with everything.  Maybe I'm just too principled.   

This is the exact reason I am still so angry about this whole debacle.  We were guilty of poor communication and fined £100K.  We still didn't break the law. Bent the EFL's rules maybe, but that's it.  We didn't hide it.  We didn't try and cover it up.  We didn't do anything illegal.  Being forced to re-do accounts based of how the EFL wanted it applied (contrary to usual industry practices), we're found to be what? £4m over?  The punishment applied to us for the past 2 years, (courtesy of THEIR delays, change of approach, changes of mind, incompetence, call it what you will), plus the 12 points for Admin far exceeds the perceived crime already.  We couldn't take the loan, which may have stopped Admin, because they had put us in a position such we wouldn't qualify. And to now apply another 9 points, for barely £4m is incredible.....a discrepancy only created because the EFL having previously accepted our accounts for nigh on 4 years changed their minds as a result of a certain person pointing the anomaly out to them.   How does that equate to Reading's breach, over 10x ours, but receiving the same penalty.  Plus of course 3 suspended due to late wages (yeah, Mel should have paid).  I honestly truly don't get it.  
I do get the Administrators wanting to just lie down and accept it all, so we can get a clean slate and move on, but I really hate the fact we have (IMO of course) been unjustly treated and have just accepted it whilst the EFL get away with everything.  Maybe I'm just too principled.   

This is the exact reason I am still so angry about this whole debacle.  We were guilty of poor communication and fined £100K.  We still didn't break the law. Bent the EFL's rules maybe, but that's it.  We didn't hide it.  We didn't try and cover it up.  We didn't do anything illegal.  Being forced to re-do accounts based of how the EFL wanted it applied (contrary to usual industry practices), we're found to be what? £4m over?  The punishment applied to us for the past 2 years, (courtesy of THEIR delays, change of approach, changes of mind, incompetence, call it what you will), plus the 12 points for Admin far exceeds the perceived crime already.  We couldn't take the loan, which may have stopped Admin, because they had put us in a position such we wouldn't qualify. And to now apply another 9 points, for barely £4m is incredible.....a discrepancy only created because the EFL having previously accepted our accounts for nigh on 4 years changed their minds as a result of a certain person pointing the anomaly out to them.   How does that equate to Reading's breach, over 10x ours, but receiving the same penalty.  Plus of course 3 suspended due to late wages (yeah, Mel should have paid).  I honestly truly don't get it.  
I do get the Administrators wanting to just lie down and accept it all, so we can get a clean slate and move on, but I really hate the fact we have (IMO of course) been unjustly treated and have just accepted it whilst the EFL get away with everything.  Maybe I'm just too principled.   

This is the exact reason I am still so angry about this whole debacle.  We were guilty of poor communication and fined £100K.  We still didn't break the law. Bent the EFL's rules maybe, but that's it.  We didn't hide it.  We didn't try and cover it up.  We didn't do anything illegal.  Being forced to re-do accounts based of how the EFL wanted it applied (contrary to usual industry practices), we're found to be what? £4m over?  The punishment applied to us for the past 2 years, (courtesy of THEIR delays, change of approach, changes of mind, incompetence, call it what you will), plus the 12 points for Admin far exceeds the perceived crime already.  We couldn't take the loan, which may have stopped Admin, because they had put us in a position such we wouldn't qualify. And to now apply another 9 points, for barely £4m is incredible.....a discrepancy only created because the EFL having previously accepted our accounts for nigh on 4 years changed their minds as a result of a certain person pointing the anomaly out to them.   How does that equate to Reading's breach, over 10x ours, but receiving the same penalty.  Plus of course 3 suspended due to late wages (yeah, Mel should have paid).  I honestly truly don't get it.  
I do get the Administrators wanting to just lie down and accept it all, so we can get a clean slate and move on, but I really hate the fact we have (IMO of course) been unjustly treated and have just accepted it whilst the EFL get away with everything.  Maybe I'm just too principled.   

This is the exact reason I am still so angry about this whole debacle.  We were guilty of poor communication and fined £100K.  We still didn't break the law. Bent the EFL's rules maybe, but that's it.  We didn't hide it.  We didn't try and cover it up.  We didn't do anything illegal.  Being forced to re-do accounts based of how the EFL wanted it applied (contrary to usual industry practices), we're found to be what? £4m over?  The punishment applied to us for the past 2 years, (courtesy of THEIR delays, change of approach, changes of mind, incompetence, call it what you will), plus the 12 points for Admin far exceeds the perceived crime already.  We couldn't take the loan, which may have stopped Admin, because they had put us in a position such we wouldn't qualify. And to now apply another 9 points, for barely £4m is incredible.....a discrepancy only created because the EFL having previously accepted our accounts for nigh on 4 years changed their minds as a result of a certain person pointing the anomaly out to them.   How does that equate to Reading's breach, over 10x ours, but receiving the same penalty.  Plus of course 3 suspended due to late wages (yeah, Mel should have paid).  I honestly truly don't get it.  
I do get the Administrators wanting to just lie down and accept it all, so we can get a clean slate and move on, but I really hate the fact we have (IMO of course) been unjustly treated and have just accepted it whilst the EFL get away with everything.  Maybe I'm just too principled.   

This is the exact reason I am still so angry about this whole debacle.  We were guilty of poor communication and fined £100K.  We still didn't break the law. Bent the EFL's rules maybe, but that's it.  We didn't hide it.  We didn't try and cover it up.  We didn't do anything illegal.  Being forced to re-do accounts based of how the EFL wanted it applied (contrary to usual industry practices), we're found to be what? £4m over?  The punishment applied to us for the past 2 years, (courtesy of THEIR delays, change of approach, changes of mind, incompetence, call it what you will), plus the 12 points for Admin far exceeds the perceived crime already.  We couldn't take the loan, which may have stopped Admin, because they had put us in a position such we wouldn't qualify. And to now apply another 9 points, for barely £4m is incredible.....a discrepancy only created because the EFL having previously accepted our accounts for nigh on 4 years changed their minds as a result of a certain person pointing the anomaly out to them.   How does that equate to Reading's breach, over 10x ours, but receiving the same penalty.  Plus of course 3 suspended due to late wages (yeah, Mel should have paid).  I honestly truly don't get it.  
I do get the Administrators wanting to just lie down and accept it all, so we can get a clean slate and move on, but I really hate the fact we have (IMO of course) been unjustly treated and have just accepted it whilst the EFL get away with everything.  Maybe I'm just too principled.   

This is the exact reason I am still so angry about this whole debacle.  We were guilty of poor communication and fined £100K.  We still didn't break the law. Bent the EFL's rules maybe, but that's it.  We didn't hide it.  We didn't try and cover it up.  We didn't do anything illegal.  Being forced to re-do accounts based of how the EFL wanted it applied (contrary to usual industry practices), we're found to be what? £4m over?  The punishment applied to us for the past 2 years, (courtesy of THEIR delays, change of approach, changes of mind, incompetence, call it what you will), plus the 12 points for Admin far exceeds the perceived crime already.  We couldn't take the loan, which may have stopped Admin, because they had put us in a position such we wouldn't qualify. And to now apply another 9 points, for barely £4m is incredible.....a discrepancy only created because the EFL having previously accepted our accounts for nigh on 4 years changed their minds as a result of a certain person pointing the anomaly out to them.   How does that equate to Reading's breach, over 10x ours, but receiving the same penalty.  Plus of course 3 suspended due to late wages (yeah, Mel should have paid).  I honestly truly don't get it.  
I do get the Administrators wanting to just lie down and accept it all, so we can get a clean slate and move on, but I really hate the fact we have (IMO of course) been unjustly treated and have just accepted it whilst the EFL get away with everything.  Maybe I'm just too principled.   

This is the exact reason I am still so angry about this whole debacle.  We were guilty of poor communication and fined £100K.  We still didn't break the law. Bent the EFL's rules maybe, but that's it.  We didn't hide it.  We didn't try and cover it up.  We didn't do anything illegal.  Being forced to re-do accounts based of how the EFL wanted it applied (contrary to usual industry practices), we're found to be what? £4m over?  The punishment applied to us for the past 2 years, (courtesy of THEIR delays, change of approach, changes of mind, incompetence, call it what you will), plus the 12 points for Admin far exceeds the perceived crime already.  We couldn't take the loan, which may have stopped Admin, because they had put us in a position such we wouldn't qualify. And to now apply another 9 points, for barely £4m is incredible.....a discrepancy only created because the EFL having previously accepted our accounts for nigh on 4 years changed their minds as a result of a certain person pointing the anomaly out to them.   How does that equate to Reading's breach, over 10x ours, but receiving the same penalty.  Plus of course 3 suspended due to late wages (yeah, Mel should have paid).  I honestly truly don't get it.  
I do get the Administrators wanting to just lie down and accept it all, so we can get a clean slate and move on, but I really hate the fact we have (IMO of course) been unjustly treated and have just accepted it whilst the EFL get away with everything.  Maybe I'm just too principled.   

This is the exact reason I am still so angry about this whole debacle.  We were guilty of poor communication and fined £100K.  We still didn't break the law. Bent the EFL's rules maybe, but that's it.  We didn't hide it.  We didn't try and cover it up.  We didn't do anything illegal.  Being forced to re-do accounts based of how the EFL wanted it applied (contrary to usual industry practices), we're found to be what? £4m over?  The punishment applied to us for the past 2 years, (courtesy of THEIR delays, change of approach, changes of mind, incompetence, call it what you will), plus the 12 points for Admin far exceeds the perceived crime already.  We couldn't take the loan, which may have stopped Admin, because they had put us in a position such we wouldn't qualify. And to now apply another 9 points, for barely £4m is incredible.....a discrepancy only created because the EFL having previously accepted our accounts for nigh on 4 years changed their minds as a result of a certain person pointing the anomaly out to them.   How does that equate to Reading's breach, over 10x ours, but receiving the same penalty.  Plus of course 3 suspended due to late wages (yeah, Mel should have paid).  I honestly truly don't get it.  
I do get the Administrators wanting to just lie down and accept it all, so we can get a clean slate and move on, but I really hate the fact we have (IMO of course) been unjustly treated and have just accepted it whilst the EFL get away with everything.  Maybe I'm just too principled.   

This is the exact reason I am still so angry about this whole debacle.  We were guilty of poor communication and fined £100K.  We still didn't break the law. Bent the EFL's rules maybe, but that's it.  We didn't hide it.  We didn't try and cover it up.  We didn't do anything illegal.  Being forced to re-do accounts based of how the EFL wanted it applied (contrary to usual industry practices), we're found to be what? £4m over?  The punishment applied to us for the past 2 years, (courtesy of THEIR delays, change of approach, changes of mind, incompetence, call it what you will), plus the 12 points for Admin far exceeds the perceived crime already.  We couldn't take the loan, which may have stopped Admin, because they had put us in a position such we wouldn't qualify. And to now apply another 9 points, for barely £4m is incredible.....a discrepancy only created because the EFL having previously accepted our accounts for nigh on 4 years changed their minds as a result of a certain person pointing the anomaly out to them.   How does that equate to Reading's breach, over 10x ours, but receiving the same penalty.  Plus of course 3 suspended due to late wages (yeah, Mel should have paid).  I honestly truly don't get it.  
I do get the Administrators wanting to just lie down and accept it all, so we can get a clean slate and move on, but I really hate the fact we have (IMO of course) been unjustly treated and have just accepted it whilst the EFL get away with everything.  Maybe I'm just too principled.   

This is the exact reason I am still so angry about this whole debacle.  We were guilty of poor communication and fined £100K.  We still didn't break the law. Bent the EFL's rules maybe, but that's it.  We didn't hide it.  We didn't try and cover it up.  We didn't do anything illegal.  Being forced to re-do accounts based of how the EFL wanted it applied (contrary to usual industry practices), we're found to be what? £4m over?  The punishment applied to us for the past 2 years, (courtesy of THEIR delays, change of approach, changes of mind, incompetence, call it what you will), plus the 12 points for Admin far exceeds the perceived crime already.  We couldn't take the loan, which may have stopped Admin, because they had put us in a position such we wouldn't qualify. And to now apply another 9 points, for barely £4m is incredible.....a discrepancy only created because the EFL having previously accepted our accounts for nigh on 4 years changed their minds as a result of a certain person pointing the anomaly out to them.   How does that equate to Reading's breach, over 10x ours, but receiving the same penalty.  Plus of course 3 suspended due to late wages (yeah, Mel should have paid).  I honestly truly don't get it.  
I do get the Administrators wanting to just lie down and accept it all, so we can get a clean slate and move on, but I really hate the fact we have (IMO of course) been unjustly treated and have just accepted it whilst the EFL get away with everything.  Maybe I'm just too principled.   

This is the exact reason I am still so angry about this whole debacle.  We were guilty of poor communication and fined £100K.  We still didn't break the law. Bent the EFL's rules maybe, but that's it.  We didn't hide it.  We didn't try and cover it up.  We didn't do anything illegal.  Being forced to re-do accounts based of how the EFL wanted it applied (contrary to usual industry practices), we're found to be what? £4m over?  The punishment applied to us for the past 2 years, (courtesy of THEIR delays, change of approach, changes of mind, incompetence, call it what you will), plus the 12 points for Admin far exceeds the perceived crime already.  We couldn't take the loan, which may have stopped Admin, because they had put us in a position such we wouldn't qualify. And to now apply another 9 points, for barely £4m is incredible.....a discrepancy only created because the EFL having previously accepted our accounts for nigh on 4 years changed their minds as a result of a certain person pointing the anomaly out to them.   How does that equate to Reading's breach, over 10x ours, but receiving the same penalty.  Plus of course 3 suspended due to late wages (yeah, Mel should have paid).  I honestly truly don't get it.  
I do get the Administrators wanting to just lie down and accept it all, so we can get a clean slate and move on, but I really hate the fact we have (IMO of course) been unjustly treated and have just accepted it whilst the EFL get away with everything.  Maybe I'm just too principled.   

This is the exact reason I am still so angry about this whole debacle.  We were guilty of poor communication and fined £100K.  We still didn't break the law. Bent the EFL's rules maybe, but that's it.  We didn't hide it.  We didn't try and cover it up.  We didn't do anything illegal.  Being forced to re-do accounts based of how the EFL wanted it applied (contrary to usual industry practices), we're found to be what? £4m over?  The punishment applied to us for the past 2 years, (courtesy of THEIR delays, change of approach, changes of mind, incompetence, call it what you will), plus the 12 points for Admin far exceeds the perceived crime already.  We couldn't take the loan, which may have stopped Admin, because they had put us in a position such we wouldn't qualify. And to now apply another 9 points, for barely £4m is incredible.....a discrepancy only created because the EFL having previously accepted our accounts for nigh on 4 years changed their minds as a result of a certain person pointing the anomaly out to them.   How does that equate to Reading's breach, over 10x ours, but receiving the same penalty.  Plus of course 3 suspended due to late wages (yeah, Mel should have paid).  I honestly truly don't get it.  
I do get the Administrators wanting to just lie down and accept it all, so we can get a clean slate and move on, but I really hate the fact we have (IMO of course) been unjustly treated and have just accepted it whilst the EFL get away with everything.  Maybe I'm just too principled.   

This is the exact reason I am still so angry about this whole debacle.  We were guilty of poor communication and fined £100K.  We still didn't break the law. Bent the EFL's rules maybe, but that's it.  We didn't hide it.  We didn't try and cover it up.  We didn't do anything illegal.  Being forced to re-do accounts based of how the EFL wanted it applied (contrary to usual industry practices), we're found to be what? £4m over?  The punishment applied to us for the past 2 years, (courtesy of THEIR delays, change of approach, changes of mind, incompetence, call it what you will), plus the 12 points for Admin far exceeds the perceived crime already.  We couldn't take the loan, which may have stopped Admin, because they had put us in a position such we wouldn't qualify. And to now apply another 9 points, for barely £4m is incredible.....a discrepancy only created because the EFL having previously accepted our accounts for nigh on 4 years changed their minds as a result of a certain person pointing the anomaly out to them.   How does that equate to Reading's breach, over 10x ours, but receiving the same penalty.  Plus of course 3 suspended due to late wages (yeah, Mel should have paid).  I honestly truly don't get it.  
I do get the Administrators wanting to just lie down and accept it all, so we can get a clean slate and move on, but I really hate the fact we have (IMO of course) been unjustly treated and have just accepted it whilst the EFL get away with everything.  Maybe I'm just too principled.   

This is the exact reason I am still so angry about this whole debacle.  We were guilty of poor communication and fined £100K.  We still didn't break the law. Bent the EFL's rules maybe, but that's it.  We didn't hide it.  We didn't try and cover it up.  We didn't do anything illegal.  Being forced to re-do accounts based of how the EFL wanted it applied (contrary to usual industry practices), we're found to be what? £4m over?  The punishment applied to us for the past 2 years, (courtesy of THEIR delays, change of approach, changes of mind, incompetence, call it what you will), plus the 12 points for Admin far exceeds the perceived crime already.  We couldn't take the loan, which may have stopped Admin, because they had put us in a position such we wouldn't qualify. And to now apply another 9 points, for barely £4m is incredible.....a discrepancy only created because the EFL having previously accepted our accounts for nigh on 4 years changed their minds as a result of a certain person pointing the anomaly out to them.   How does that equate to Reading's breach, over 10x ours, but receiving the same penalty.  Plus of course 3 suspended due to late wages (yeah, Mel should have paid).  I honestly truly don't get it.  
I do get the Administrators wanting to just lie down and accept it all, so we can get a clean slate and move on, but I really hate the fact we have (IMO of course) been unjustly treated and have just accepted it whilst the EFL get away with everything.  Maybe I'm just too principled.   

This is the exact reason I am still so angry about this whole debacle.  We were guilty of poor communication and fined £100K.  We still didn't break the law. Bent the EFL's rules maybe, but that's it.  We didn't hide it.  We didn't try and cover it up.  We didn't do anything illegal.  Being forced to re-do accounts based of how the EFL wanted it applied (contrary to usual industry practices), we're found to be what? £4m over?  The punishment applied to us for the past 2 years, (courtesy of THEIR delays, change of approach, changes of mind, incompetence, call it what you will), plus the 12 points for Admin far exceeds the perceived crime already.  We couldn't take the loan, which may have stopped Admin, because they had put us in a position such we wouldn't qualify. And to now apply another 9 points, for barely £4m is incredible.....a discrepancy only created because the EFL having previously accepted our accounts for nigh on 4 years changed their minds as a result of a certain person pointing the anomaly out to them.   How does that equate to Reading's breach, over 10x ours, but receiving the same penalty.  Plus of course 3 suspended due to late wages (yeah, Mel should have paid).  I honestly truly don't get it.  
I do get the Administrators wanting to just lie down and accept it all, so we can get a clean slate and move on, but I really hate the fact we have (IMO of course) been unjustly treated and have just accepted it whilst the EFL get away with everything.  Maybe I'm just too principled.   

Congratulations mate.  Expecting 2 hourly posts from you throughout the night night now.  ??

Agree - unlike Mel (or the EFL's) tests, I would think the administrators would do a far greater due diligent check.  If they thought he was unsustainable then he'd be shown the door.  As for the noise - he's American, it's their way, they love a bit of razzmatazz.  And why not, it's promoting our club. 
Either way, there's other parties involved, and even though Kirchner is the most visible, the administrators will choose the one they think is best suited for the long term sustainability of the club.  Just having billions in the bank doesn't mean a buyer will make us a success, so even if Kirchner only has say £500m, if his business plan and aims for the club look most viable, he'll rightly get chosen. 

Agree completely I thought both games were exceptional with England playing Rugby of a very high standard. 

Congratulations mate.  Expecting 2 hourly posts from you throughout the night night now.  ??

Baby Joshua born just over an hour ago..Nice and healthy and the wife is fine too..couldn't be there as have 2 girls under 4 but they are excited..cheers for all the kind reactions..might find time for a beer ?