GangwayD

And waggy. And wash. But still people say we didn't sign a striker.
Whether they're any good or not, now that's where the debate is. And that's on Warne.

Today more than any other game was our inability to finish. Some of the attempts were pathetic.
This falls on PW as he failed to get a replacement striker in. That was the same front six, with Washington replacing Didzy - so not one single person can argue we strengthened.
Thats on PW as he didn’t have the ability or pull to get anyone in.

please someone teach Collins how to stay onside....
another frustrating one. more clinical finishing and it would have been over in the first half.
full credit to the players for keeping going until the death!
what bothers me more than anything else is that the players don't seem to be enjoying themselves, and I think that's a reflection of the fans constantly  getting on their backs. 

Agree to disagree then on how poor we were...we struggled against the usual suspects who played to frustrate us....we need a better striker to solve the problem i.m.o

Did we play crap?
Completely dominated but couldn't score until late on....our problem,as ever,is out forward line against teams that sit in the box.
We need a new centre forward in January (no s*** Sherlock)

Such an exhausting club to support

Well maybe I’m going to be shouted down for this, but I didn’t think we were terrible. We’re tidy playing through to the edge of the box, but then either hit a powder puff shot or push it out wide for a cross, which is inevitably high and long. 
Two silly goals conceded, with Forsyth falling asleep for the first and Wildsmith not strong enough for the second. 

I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest it's our final cross which has been our downfall here. The overall football hasn't been too bad imo. 
Also, the ref has been excellent and has let the game flow as well as any ref I've seen all season.

Could it be that we played it to feet and didn't just have him running the channels? No blame is meant anywhere and I hardly dare ask obvs.

Unless you scrap the offside rule, how on earth do you set up a side to suit James Collins?

Brings me back to me banging on about not replacing Didzy.
His movement, taking the ball in tight areas, moving the ball quickly and/or spreading play, thus stretching the pitch, it helped the whole team as well as being a father figure to Dobbin and Will Osula, plus his goals. 
Writing was on the wall for Warne having not seen this. I know people will argue he ain’t had the funds but that’s a massive achilles heel.
For me that’s why we ain’t Top 2, but should comfortably be Top 6 and then January we get the best striker we can (should have done it before imo)
Not sure I’d trust Warne with another window, but some of the names being mentioned I wouldn’t trust them either ! 
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Which is ironic as we have been crucified the last 2 away games.  🙂

Id wager we wont be sacking cos of cost and if we did recruiting an already in work manager 
so that leaves the others that are u employed for a reason 

Warne has gone on record many times saying he loves a cross, and whilst it’s probably served him well over the years we don’t have the strike force. Collins has got on the end of an odd one but nowheee near enough. 
I agree in that at our goal and chances (Washington, Bird and Hourihan) came from the bit of Football we played so either the players are not capable of doing this consistently or the manager does not want too or can’t coach them. 
Worryingly a couple of players look completely out of sorts. He also seems to hook or drop the same players. 
I almost feel sorry for him, as he’s starting to look a broken man. 
I’m really split on wether he should go now or let’s evaluate come December - could we trust him with another transfer window knowing how many are going to be at out contract or will probably move on. 
They might not be listening but the outside noise must be deafening…
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I’m anti sack Warne, then punt on someone else in hope that it works.
Not sure if that makes me pro Warne by default.
Im not sure any manager can resolve the goal scoring problem without recruiting someone who we cannot recruit. This problem has been around since Cocu with several managers other than when we all to briefly had McGoldOne.
We desperately need to find a gem forward from none league or somewhere. Until this happens we can keep perming different managers with likely similar outcomes.

I haven’t heard the interview, and frankly can’t be bothered to listen to it. I respect however @ziggazagga’s opinions, and he is fully entitled to make them. He and his son are paying good money to watch what has been a piss poor show since March. I am glad Barker (and Warne, and Mendez Laing), are hearing the noise, and might raise their games accordingly. One win against an ordinary Exeter side is nothing to get too carried away with, although the victory was welcomed. Let’s get a run of wins under our belt and then that would be the time for Barker to respond to the expectations of fans.

I do agree in that it wasn’t great, I thought it was an extremely poor performance with very little fluidity or cohesion and coughing up possession without any real pressure. Warne said himself we lacked aggression - personally I thought we lacked more. I agreed they didn’t batter us but they deserved their win. 
I think we opened them up once, maybe twice in 90 minutes and Warne said if we’d been playing till Monday we probably wouldn’t have scored.
it was his other comments which annoyed, as he inferred that if we’d took our chances we’d have easily won, their keeper man of the match etc - completely disagreed with this. 
I am expecting us to go to places like Shrewsbury and give a far better account of ourselves than we did, especially with the squad we have -  Cheltenham was the same - it’s why so many questions are being asked of the management when the team puts in that kind of performance. I am one of those who is concerned. 
Maybe that’s why I could be accused of being entitled, which is what the recent posts have been debating. 
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I do agree in that it wasn’t great, I thought it was an extremely poor performance with very little fluidity or cohesion and coughing up possession without any real pressure. Warne said himself we lacked aggression - personally I thought we lacked more. I agreed they didn’t batter us but they deserved their win. 
I think we opened them up once, maybe twice in 90 minutes and Warne said if we’d been playing till Monday we probably wouldn’t have scored.
it was his other comments which annoyed, as he inferred that if we’d took our chances we’d have easily won, their keeper man of the match etc - completely disagreed with this. 
I am expecting us to go to places like Shrewsbury and give a far better account of ourselves than we did, especially with the squad we have -  Cheltenham was the same - it’s why so many questions are being asked of the management when the team puts in that kind of performance. I am one of those who is concerned. 
Maybe that’s why I could be accused of being entitled, which is what the recent posts have been debating. 
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I do agree in that it wasn’t great, I thought it was an extremely poor performance with very little fluidity or cohesion and coughing up possession without any real pressure. Warne said himself we lacked aggression - personally I thought we lacked more. I agreed they didn’t batter us but they deserved their win. 
I think we opened them up once, maybe twice in 90 minutes and Warne said if we’d been playing till Monday we probably wouldn’t have scored.
it was his other comments which annoyed, as he inferred that if we’d took our chances we’d have easily won, their keeper man of the match etc - completely disagreed with this. 
I am expecting us to go to places like Shrewsbury and give a far better account of ourselves than we did, especially with the squad we have -  Cheltenham was the same - it’s why so many questions are being asked of the management when the team puts in that kind of performance. I am one of those who is concerned. 
Maybe that’s why I could be accused of being entitled, which is what the recent posts have been debating. 
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I do agree in that it wasn’t great, I thought it was an extremely poor performance with very little fluidity or cohesion and coughing up possession without any real pressure. Warne said himself we lacked aggression - personally I thought we lacked more. I agreed they didn’t batter us but they deserved their win. 
I think we opened them up once, maybe twice in 90 minutes and Warne said if we’d been playing till Monday we probably wouldn’t have scored.
it was his other comments which annoyed, as he inferred that if we’d took our chances we’d have easily won, their keeper man of the match etc - completely disagreed with this. 
I am expecting us to go to places like Shrewsbury and give a far better account of ourselves than we did, especially with the squad we have -  Cheltenham was the same - it’s why so many questions are being asked of the management when the team puts in that kind of performance. I am one of those who is concerned. 
Maybe that’s why I could be accused of being entitled, which is what the recent posts have been debating. 
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I can understand that patience amongst certain elements of our fan base is running thin.  Since the Villa Play Off game we have had a very tough few seasons and little to enjoy. The marches and the collective spirit against the EFL was outstanding and other teams looked on in envy at our support that was so together and behind a team whereby results rarely went in our favour.  
It seems to have changed so quickly but I don't think we are entitled.  The facts are, we are a big club that has find ourselves in a league we have rarely visited, which on our previous visit we looked like, and did, progress after similar financial issues, arguably in a far worst position.  We have yet to see similar progress and this is why frustration has boiled over.  Certain performances have been extremely disappointing to say the least.  
I don't know how much Clowes wants/has to invest in us but if I am speculating then I doubt he'd want to go to the expense of sacking Warne at the moment.  However, we need to be in the mix for top two and secured in the play off position come mid December, otherwise Warne has to go - if not, then a new manager needs to be given the January window and the rest of the season to try and turn things around.
Not sure if this makes me entitled, but if it does, then so be it.
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I make you right Ramsbottom.  I bang on about Warne not replacing Didzy.  It wasn't just his goals, but his movement and his ability to receive the ball in tight areas and open things up.  Against Exeter NML was like the player of last season, but I think he's been really missing Didzy's quality. 
We need to get to January and be competing in the top six then bring in a couple at the top end of the pitch as for me, I don't see enough quality in Waghorn, Collins, and Washington.  Endeavor from them all, yes, but I can't see that trio firing us to promotion. 
I accept he will be working on a budget, but I think we should have risked quality of quantity up top, then filled in with the likes of Waghorn. 
Midfield is still an area we don't have enough legs, but should have enough about them to be doing better than we are - Warne needs to find the right blend and get a tune out of them.  Defensively I think we are very strong and we are not shipping goals. 
Problem being, is with so many out of contract, where will it leave us in January and the Summer, especially if we don't go up.  Another re-build meaning a new squad would have to gel again, so back to square one.
Cheers 
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It seems we pretty much agree.  I also don't agree with those who wanted Warne sacked after 3 games this season either, although in this instant society we have created they would argue he had most of the previous season and things have not improved but looked like it was getting worse. 
Personally I think Warne is walking on thin ice and we have to see improvement in performance and league position as we agreed - I too do not assume the points you mentioned and I really hope things tun for DC, for putting his hand in his pocket and saving our great club.  I try to put myself in DC's position - he let Rosenior go and backed his horse by bringing in Warne - as a Football chairman you more often than not have to sack a manager - so you would think financially it's all part of the plan and you hope you don't have to pay out on, but in truth I've no idea how much it would cost.   
The Warne interview after the Shrewsbury game really annoyed me - it was a very poor performance I felt we didn't deserve anything from the game - and his whole interview contradicted that, especially about all the so called chances we never took.  We should be better and we should be competing with the likes of Shrewsbury.
I sincerely hope performances improve and debates like this are confined to history. 
I still don't think that's me being entitled.
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I can understand that patience amongst certain elements of our fan base is running thin.  Since the Villa Play Off game we have had a very tough few seasons and little to enjoy. The marches and the collective spirit against the EFL was outstanding and other teams looked on in envy at our support that was so together and behind a team whereby results rarely went in our favour.  
It seems to have changed so quickly but I don't think we are entitled.  The facts are, we are a big club that has find ourselves in a league we have rarely visited, which on our previous visit we looked like, and did, progress after similar financial issues, arguably in a far worst position.  We have yet to see similar progress and this is why frustration has boiled over.  Certain performances have been extremely disappointing to say the least.  
I don't know how much Clowes wants/has to invest in us but if I am speculating then I doubt he'd want to go to the expense of sacking Warne at the moment.  However, we need to be in the mix for top two and secured in the play off position come mid December, otherwise Warne has to go - if not, then a new manager needs to be given the January window and the rest of the season to try and turn things around.
Not sure if this makes me entitled, but if it does, then so be it.
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