ramit

7 hours ago, Comrade 86 said:

So that'd be over 3,500 people who may need help and re-location, which is actually quite a lot!  Fingers remain crossed in any case and I hope that you and yours are all staying safe and that the magma makes its bloody mind up in time for anyone affected to have some sort of Xmas. 

3.800 at last count, many of those are recent immigrants.  Most of the Icelanders have relatives who can house them at least on a temporary basis, but not so for many of the immigrants.  It's a bad situation.  Some of these people just recently bought a house there, I cannot fathom what they were thinking.

Yes indeed, the seemingly endless waiting and uncertainty is nerve wracking for so many, for all of us really.  This plays like a slow motion disaster film.  This land is not easy on it's inhabitants, but that has made us resilient.

On 15/11/2023 at 19:18, ramit said:

It is 1%, not 10, but everyone knows everyone here, so close enough heh

The mayor of Grindavík said that in the best case scenario people could move back into their homes in 6-9 months.  The infrastructure is in tatters, many houses will have be demolished.  Numerous residents owe housing loans on now damaged and abandoned houses.  The banks were asked to freeze the payments for a few months and the interest rates, they accepted the former but said no to the latter, exclaiming that there is nothing they can do.  People are very angry over this, but it is clear what the banks are trying to do, wait it out until the state takes over all obligations.

It is now considered to be primarily plate movements at work on the peninsula this time.  Iceland sits half on the American plate and half on the Eurasian plate and is being torn asunder slowly, but now apparently much more quickly.  If there will be an eruption, it will probably not be a powerful one and fizzle out quite soon.

We talk of the planets in our solar system as unclaimed property for us to plant a flag on.  That may not be so, even our moon may be another's property, if indication of it being an artificial satellite prove correct.  We can only guess at how life began on Earth, but there I would certainly draw a line and claim humanity has at least squatters rights on that turf, but that's about it. 

We really are an egocentric species and may be in for a rude awakening.

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On 14/11/2023 at 09:24, ramit said:

With every passing day the threat of eruption subsides, the magma sitting in huge pools under the surface slowly cools.  Grindavík is built on lava that flowed as magma into the sea 2000 years ago, the fault line runs straight through the town, perhaps should never have been built up originally. 

Yes, you are right, it is the slow destruction that is the hard thing to deal with.  Land is still sinking in Grindavík and today while people were gathering some things from their homes an alarm sounded off to evacuate the town immediately.  Gas had been measured at dangerous levels suddenly.  Close to 10% of Icelanders live there and with extended family and friends, this calamity touches every family in Iceland.  We will get through this together and worse if need be.

Thank you Comrade 86, your words of support are appreciated.

It is 1%, not 10, but everyone knows everyone here, so close enough heh

7 hours ago, Chris_Martin said:

why does our entire game hinge on running round a lot though...

Would walking around be a better option?

A video in English of a reporter tagging along with his parents to their house in Grindavík for a quick grab and go.

The gas emissions that forced evacuation today indicate that the depth to the magma is about 4-500 meters.

I am impressed with how quickly the academy is taking shape again.  Some quality work being done there, for sure.

10 hours ago, Comrade 86 said:

Icelanders are a very hardy breed, but this must be very difficult, even for them. In some ways, a major quake would have been better, as there seems to be no 'closure', just a slow destruction of homes and infrastructure. It's very sad to see it and I can't imagine how folk on the ground must be feeling. Fingers and everything else crossed, the major quake either never arrives, or does so where less harm is done.

With every passing day the threat of eruption subsides, the magma sitting in huge pools under the surface slowly cools.  Grindavík is built on lava that flowed as magma into the sea 2000 years ago, the fault line runs straight through the town, perhaps should never have been built up originally. 

Yes, you are right, it is the slow destruction that is the hard thing to deal with.  Land is still sinking in Grindavík and today while people were gathering some things from their homes an alarm sounded off to evacuate the town immediately.  Gas had been measured at dangerous levels suddenly.  Close to 10% of Icelanders live there and with extended family and friends, this calamity touches every family in Iceland.  We will get through this together and worse if need be.

Thank you Comrade 86, your words of support are appreciated.

14 hours ago, Eddie said:

When it pops elsewhere in the dyke basically - and that could be miles from where the current earthquake swarm is located. Magma tends to find the weakest point (a fault usually).

Alternatively, it could be a 'failed eruption' and the quakes just fade away to nothing, only to start elsewhere.

There are approximately 30 active volcanic systems (and between 130 and 150 volcanoes, active or inactive) in Iceland - the island was formed because it sits upon a volcanic 'hot spot' on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge (the position where the North American and Eurasian plates are moving away from each other).

Until a couple of years ago, there had been no eruptions in Reykjanes for centuries - then Fagradalsfjall blew its nose. At the time, the Icelandic Met Office said that it could mark the start of many decades of unrest - and that unrest has already manifested itself in three minor eruptions, all in different spots in the area, over the last two years.

The town is all torn up, most houses damaged, many uninhabitable, ground cables and pipes are history and so forth.  Even if the quakes and possible eventual eruption move from this area, it can still swing back and in coming seasons return to cause havoc.  Nobody is moving back to Grindavík any time soon, am afraid.

Some pictures and videos from today.  The steam you see is from the burst hot water pipes

https://www.mbl.is/frettir/innlent/2023/11/13/myndskeid_synir_sprungu_i_gegnum_i_grindavik/

Some people were allowed to quickly gather some belongings today under supervision of emergency volunteers.  Most locals have not been allowed in and might never be.  Talk of raising emergency housing for thousands of displaced people like we did after the Heimaey eruption.  No eruption yet and quakes move deeper again, but this is already bad.

https://www.visir.is/g/20232488576d

And one from RUV in English

https://www.ruv.is/frettir/innlent/2023-11-13-skemmdir-i-grindavik-minna-a-christchurch-396911

14 hours ago, The Last Post said:

There's an old saying Ramit..."you get what you pay for", We the people do get what we deserve, The trouble is most believe what we're told, Those in charge will lie their way to the top, The people do have a choice..."Anarchy" 67million live in the UK, The voting public have a choice, If they don't like the choice do they then hit the streets and remove those and if another incumbent lot come in and don't do as we were told...do we keep "rinse and repeat", Economy's, Stability public order would break down.

The wealthy will always rise to the top, The weak will sink to the bottom, Then there's those in the middle, Those who are getting on in life, Have all the tools at their disposal, Those that have bought all the T shirts that were on sale, Those that today are very comfortable and just criticize those on social media 😁

Life can be cruel, It can also be kind, But you have to be cute on how to play those who think can play you 😉  

 

I guess I am just too much of a commie to play the game in my own interest.  Anyway, I think representative democracy has been terminally polluted by money power, I don't believe in it anymore.  Can you name a politician that you trust?  I can't.  Some kind of direct democracy needs to be molded into a workable system I think and hope as the optimist that I am deep down.  I believe in people when push comes to shove, I think we will overcome all obstacles.  Naive idealism?, perhaps, but I dare not think otherwise.

11 hours ago, The Last Post said:

And we know who the Pawns are 😡

A ramit rant

The hard truth is that people are pawns because they allow themselves to be.  The victim is not innocent of being victimized is another way to put it and just writing that will have some up in arms in outrage, but it is true none the less.  We choose to submit to power, we allow governments to treat us like property to do with as they please and when they do we place the blame on them, when it is really our own fault, for we have the true power when we stand together, we get our way when we unite and take collective responsibility for the planet we share and how it is governed.

But here lies the problem, we collectively avoid responsibility, it is convenient for us to have someone else than ourselves to blame, politicians, industrialists, media, generals.  We either change ourselves or continue to moan about the state of the world as we repeatedly fall for the divide and rule methods placed against us.  With all our problems of division, we still have much more in common than divides us.

Imagine if war is declared and no one shows up.

The quakes are mostly smaller now, with a few bigger one's in between.  A large crack in the ground has appeared running straight through the middle of Grindavík town.  Preparations are being made for residents to be allowed to quickly gather some belongings, left behind pets and so forth and a long row of cars is lined up awaiting to be let into the area.  Only those in the most eastern part of Grindavík town will apparently be allowed this, which is being criticized by other residents naturally.  This is crazy dangerous IMO, like Russian roulette, the ground can open at any time.  Perhaps using helicopters in the most dangerous areas would be a solution, ready for a quick takeoff, but that is also risky.  The unity of the townspeople has been disturbed in this discussion, not good to see.

Such sad news.  My thoughts are with his family and friends.  When I was going through a trying time it was Daniel who contacted me to lift me up with words of support and caring.  He was going through much worse, yet he reached out to me in a selfless loving way, it shows what kind of stand up fellow he was.

Rest in peace dear boy.

There is a lot of magma moving right under Grindavík.  Emergency crews have been called from there, plus a coastguard ship in harbor has moved away from shore.  The poor locals are going to need lots of support from the rest of us and they will get it, we stick together here. 

The magma stretches out under the sea, if it comes up there it will be explosive with lots of ash.  Others warn of the Krýsuvík area, a much closer system to Reykjavík which would be really bad and still others claim all this could lead to nothing at all.  Nervous times.

Not expecting eruption until quakes are shallower, but many people are leaving the town, for this is how it is living in Grindavík now, a town of over 3000 people.  Red Cross has opened shelters, men will be working all night creating barriers around the power station at Svartsengi.

Constant quakes now, situation at state of emergency, this could be close now, as soon as the quakes die down, that could be it.  Thanks so much for the link @Eddie it is very useful.

Enjoy

Things are heating up again and in a bad way.  Numerous earthquakes like before earlier eruptions, but this time much more magma flow and much closer to habitation.  The magma is spreading horizontally at around 5km depth causing earthquakes as it pushes outward but appears to be quite shallower now.  Last night there was a quake registering 5 at 3 km depth.  The power station and the town of Grindavík are in danger.  If the power station goes under, it means no electricity or hot water for a large part of the peninsula affecting tens of thousands. 

To update from this video, the Blue Lagoon has been closed and the adjoining hotel as well.  The tourists came running out last night seeking to be moved away from the area.  This could turn out very badly, be a much more powerful eruption than earlier ones and with a shorter warning period.

11 hours ago, Gaspode said:

I suspect there's a longer game in play - and very telling that the US yesterday issued a warning to Israel that they counldn't remain as an occupying force after this latest incursion - to which Israel are probably (privately) thinking "who's going to stop us then?" - the West won't kick Israel out and Iran seem happy to be having a proxy war but won't want to get involved in the actual fighting.

In 12 months time, there may well be different boundaries in place and very little anyone can do to put them back to their original positions - which from Israel's viewpoint is a huge win for the cost of a few hundred of their civiliians....and those who think the leadership (Hamas or Israel) wouldn't be happy sacrificing lives to help their long term aims is being naive - politicians don't think like you or I (if you want examples nearer home, Maggie was happy to lose members of the armed forces and the merchant navy in the Falklands to win an election; Blair committed our armed forces to a war with no evidence to support his decision and no plan how to end the ensuing conflict; Matt Hancock wanted to decide who the NHS could kill off during covid - they all have utter contempt for the lives they sacrifce to meet their long-term aims....)

Good post.  The warning from USA is likely just for show.

13 hours ago, Crewton said:

It seems an odd strategy for a government and a nation's security service to follow: make yourselves look utterly incompetent, negligent and/or mercenary that the public lose all confidence in you to protect them (allegedly) all in the cause of starting a wider conflict so that multi-billionaires can make a few more billions that presumably they'll have to share around (unless the theory is that one of the serial conspiracists' bogey men is pulling all the strings.....).

But I'm supposed to believe this is more plausible than the theory of actual incompetence/negligence??

Which is worse, seeming incompetent or being incompetent?  If you are only seeming incompetent you can quickly pull your proverbial pants up and rectify that situation, as it can be argued is the current case with IDF making good progress in Gaza.  If you are incompetent, it's a lot harder to gain confidence, because uhh, you are incompetent.

7 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

I shan’t ‘argue’ with you any more. Perhaps by extension you believe the US connived in the 9/11 attacks. To be honest I find your post disturbing and it’s disappointing the mods didn’t pull it 

Now you want to shut me up, interesting.  What was disturbing in my post, that I questioned the logic of your argument, do you have exclusive rights to such methods as portrayed in your conspiracy theorists remarks?

8 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

There’s a very big difference between

- Netanyahu tolerating hamas because it suits his purposes

- Netanyahu conspiring in a scheme that results in the death of 1,400 Israelis and 150 being held hostage. 
 

The first is perfectly believable. The second is not, it doesn’t begin to hold water but it is the sort of thing that is meat and drink to conspiracy theorists 

Argue your points by all means, but please don't be so condescending.  Is it possible that your rejection of the possibility of Israeli foreknowledge is based more on emotional simple denial than logic in this case?  Zionists have a history of sacrificing their people for gain, Israel would likely not exist, if not for their conniving.

You claim that IDF senior officers would have to have been in the know, that is simply not true, they are soldiers, they do as they are told, a secret operation is of course worked in a need to know compartmentalized way.