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IMO No ....Cocu did not have the Beilik factor whereas Rooney did and  we may well have had a better start to the season if Beilik had played and Rooney was as sharp and fitter as he was the previous season 
The youngsters have not improved for me under Rooney and we seem bereft of a playing style with results papered over with Beilik in the side, he literally made such a difference.
This is why I don't get why we didn't get a CDM in on loan for the remainder of the season Bangime hardly played so surely was imperative to get a holding player in when we had the chance to try and fill the gap

IMO No ....Cocu did not have the Beilik factor whereas Rooney did and  we may well have had a better start to the season if Beilik had played and Rooney was as sharp and fitter as he was the previous season 
The youngsters have not improved for me under Rooney and we seem bereft of a playing style with results papered over with Beilik in the side, he literally made such a difference.
This is why I don't get why we didn't get a CDM in on loan for the remainder of the season Bangime hardly played so surely was imperative to get a holding player in when we had the chance to try and fill the gap

IMO No ....Cocu did not have the Beilik factor whereas Rooney did and  we may well have had a better start to the season if Beilik had played and Rooney was as sharp and fitter as he was the previous season 
The youngsters have not improved for me under Rooney and we seem bereft of a playing style with results papered over with Beilik in the side, he literally made such a difference.
This is why I don't get why we didn't get a CDM in on loan for the remainder of the season Bangime hardly played so surely was imperative to get a holding player in when we had the chance to try and fill the gap

IMO No ....Cocu did not have the Beilik factor whereas Rooney did and  we may well have had a better start to the season if Beilik had played and Rooney was as sharp and fitter as he was the previous season 
The youngsters have not improved for me under Rooney and we seem bereft of a playing style with results papered over with Beilik in the side, he literally made such a difference.
This is why I don't get why we didn't get a CDM in on loan for the remainder of the season Bangime hardly played so surely was imperative to get a holding player in when we had the chance to try and fill the gap

But you constantly belittled Cocu and he was put in a bad situation too ...please don't tell me he wasn't ??
No transfer budget when he joined and lacking all of the loans and appointed just before the season started because the Frank to Chelsea situation just dragged on and on even though we all knew it was happening!
Cocu actually signed some decent players in Byrne,Beilik,Jozwiak,CKR when he eventually could sign players and still think despite his poor start to the season never really seemed to have been backed properly and maybe because the club was already in decline.
I also think the younger players progressed under Cocu certainly Buchanan, Knight,Sibley and Bird seemed to benefit from his tenure
It just seems though that you see no wrong in Rooney yet  don't think we are any better off......
I don't think Rooney will walk away either for a fraction of what he's owed unlike Cocu did 
Just my opinion but if we get taken over I'd like a new broom situation and clear out all of the coaching team and lets get someone who knows what he's doing 
 

No. Cocu and Rooney both get dealt a bad hand Feel for both of them

IMO No ....Cocu did not have the Beilik factor whereas Rooney did and  we may well have had a better start to the season if Beilik had played and Rooney was as sharp and fitter as he was the previous season 
The youngsters have not improved for me under Rooney and we seem bereft of a playing style with results papered over with Beilik in the side, he literally made such a difference.
This is why I don't get why we didn't get a CDM in on loan for the remainder of the season Bangime hardly played so surely was imperative to get a holding player in when we had the chance to try and fill the gap

But you constantly belittled Cocu and he was put in a bad situation too ...please don't tell me he wasn't ??
No transfer budget when he joined and lacking all of the loans and appointed just before the season started because the Frank to Chelsea situation just dragged on and on even though we all knew it was happening!
Cocu actually signed some decent players in Byrne,Beilik,Jozwiak,CKR when he eventually could sign players and still think despite his poor start to the season never really seemed to have been backed properly and maybe because the club was already in decline.
I also think the younger players progressed under Cocu certainly Buchanan, Knight,Sibley and Bird seemed to benefit from his tenure
It just seems though that you see no wrong in Rooney yet  don't think we are any better off......
I don't think Rooney will walk away either for a fraction of what he's owed unlike Cocu did 
Just my opinion but if we get taken over I'd like a new broom situation and clear out all of the coaching team and lets get someone who knows what he's doing 
 

To be honest with you Roy, any manager would have a hard job working for Mel, which has been proven, most falling out with him at some time, and yes the squad Rooney has to work with is a very tough job, as was Cocu, Mel was determined to play the youngsters, not due to there talent but due to the clubs financial state of affairs which has now been proven, with all the poo happening now, even Akex Ferguson would struggle to take this squad of 13 very far, so for me as it has always been, Mel has alot to answear for, and the situation could still get worse if he does not sell us soon. rant over. 

But you constantly belittled Cocu and he was put in a bad situation too ...please don't tell me he wasn't ??
No transfer budget when he joined and lacking all of the loans and appointed just before the season started because the Frank to Chelsea situation just dragged on and on even though we all knew it was happening!
Cocu actually signed some decent players in Byrne,Beilik,Jozwiak,CKR when he eventually could sign players and still think despite his poor start to the season never really seemed to have been backed properly and maybe because the club was already in decline.
I also think the younger players progressed under Cocu certainly Buchanan, Knight,Sibley and Bird seemed to benefit from his tenure
It just seems though that you see no wrong in Rooney yet  don't think we are any better off......
I don't think Rooney will walk away either for a fraction of what he's owed unlike Cocu did 
Just my opinion but if we get taken over I'd like a new broom situation and clear out all of the coaching team and lets get someone who knows what he's doing 
 

But you constantly belittled Cocu and he was put in a bad situation too ...please don't tell me he wasn't ??
No transfer budget when he joined and lacking all of the loans and appointed just before the season started because the Frank to Chelsea situation just dragged on and on even though we all knew it was happening!
Cocu actually signed some decent players in Byrne,Beilik,Jozwiak,CKR when he eventually could sign players and still think despite his poor start to the season never really seemed to have been backed properly and maybe because the club was already in decline.
I also think the younger players progressed under Cocu certainly Buchanan, Knight,Sibley and Bird seemed to benefit from his tenure
It just seems though that you see no wrong in Rooney yet  don't think we are any better off......
I don't think Rooney will walk away either for a fraction of what he's owed unlike Cocu did 
Just my opinion but if we get taken over I'd like a new broom situation and clear out all of the coaching team and lets get someone who knows what he's doing 
 

But you constantly belittled Cocu and he was put in a bad situation too ...please don't tell me he wasn't ??
No transfer budget when he joined and lacking all of the loans and appointed just before the season started because the Frank to Chelsea situation just dragged on and on even though we all knew it was happening!
Cocu actually signed some decent players in Byrne,Beilik,Jozwiak,CKR when he eventually could sign players and still think despite his poor start to the season never really seemed to have been backed properly and maybe because the club was already in decline.
I also think the younger players progressed under Cocu certainly Buchanan, Knight,Sibley and Bird seemed to benefit from his tenure
It just seems though that you see no wrong in Rooney yet  don't think we are any better off......
I don't think Rooney will walk away either for a fraction of what he's owed unlike Cocu did 
Just my opinion but if we get taken over I'd like a new broom situation and clear out all of the coaching team and lets get someone who knows what he's doing 
 

First bit, agreed although there's little evidence from last season to suggest he'll do well unless Bielik returns, or he sorts out the midfield balance another way, or he lets the reigns off the attacking players like against Brentford away and Sheff Weds at home. 
That said even without Bielik the Waghorn/Gregory two up top seemed to be a decent idea so perhaps he can replicate that... although we never got to see whether it would have worked over a longer period, it could have been a revelation but equally it could just as easily have been sussed out and become ineffective after 2 games.
I'm happy enough to see what he can do if we sort out poo out and bring 'his' players in. I'd be even happier if he employed an experienced head coach / mentor (of his own choosing) to help him.
That doesn't mean all his failings and  last season can just be written off, even if you want to pretend they were nothing to do with him.
A few months before the end of the season you said that "If we get relegated then it would be down to Cocu and Rooney" - fair play we didn't get relegated, by the very skin of our teeth, so there's your get-out clause.
However it's funny how, but for the grace of a Cardiff goal against Rotherham, or Curtis Davies not endangering himself by playing (when no other player would) to keep Sheff Weds from scoring another, you'd have accepted that Rooney deserved his share of the blame, but because they didn't you're acting like he's absolutely blameless, his management so far is beyond question and he's above all reproach.
It's no wonder people are calling you out.
The relegation watch thread was quite an interesting read back in February. Tetchy, lol. Glad it worked out.
 

I've been panicking since we sold Paul Goddard. It's just the natural state for the average long suffering Derby supporter........

Being in the EU wouldn't have prevented this transfer

Been off here for a bit enjoying the Euros and summer sunshine then come back on and read this thread and wham!!!! back to reality !!
It's no ones fault on here and of course its an important debate but I don't know about anyone else but the seemingly endless problems that are ongoing is really getting to me.....I'd love to be just talking about what we love but that seems way down the list and the EFL and us have really become a laughing stock its embarrasing and draining ...the EFL appeal...The Fine...The points deduction....The Takeover...will we sign anyone...the transfer embargo blah blaaah blaaaah I'd just love it if we could just get this sorted and move on!! It feels painful to be a Derby fan at the moment and yet I love this club and love football , win lose or draw football is why I choose to follow this club all over the country ....it just seems never bloody ending........................sad times indeed ................COYR 

Been off here for a bit enjoying the Euros and summer sunshine then come back on and read this thread and wham!!!! back to reality !!
It's no ones fault on here and of course its an important debate but I don't know about anyone else but the seemingly endless problems that are ongoing is really getting to me.....I'd love to be just talking about what we love but that seems way down the list and the EFL and us have really become a laughing stock its embarrasing and draining ...the EFL appeal...The Fine...The points deduction....The Takeover...will we sign anyone...the transfer embargo blah blaaah blaaaah I'd just love it if we could just get this sorted and move on!! It feels painful to be a Derby fan at the moment and yet I love this club and love football , win lose or draw football is why I choose to follow this club all over the country ....it just seems never bloody ending........................sad times indeed ................COYR 

Been off here for a bit enjoying the Euros and summer sunshine then come back on and read this thread and wham!!!! back to reality !!
It's no ones fault on here and of course its an important debate but I don't know about anyone else but the seemingly endless problems that are ongoing is really getting to me.....I'd love to be just talking about what we love but that seems way down the list and the EFL and us have really become a laughing stock its embarrasing and draining ...the EFL appeal...The Fine...The points deduction....The Takeover...will we sign anyone...the transfer embargo blah blaaah blaaaah I'd just love it if we could just get this sorted and move on!! It feels painful to be a Derby fan at the moment and yet I love this club and love football , win lose or draw football is why I choose to follow this club all over the country ....it just seems never bloody ending........................sad times indeed ................COYR 

Been off here for a bit enjoying the Euros and summer sunshine then come back on and read this thread and wham!!!! back to reality !!
It's no ones fault on here and of course its an important debate but I don't know about anyone else but the seemingly endless problems that are ongoing is really getting to me.....I'd love to be just talking about what we love but that seems way down the list and the EFL and us have really become a laughing stock its embarrasing and draining ...the EFL appeal...The Fine...The points deduction....The Takeover...will we sign anyone...the transfer embargo blah blaaah blaaaah I'd just love it if we could just get this sorted and move on!! It feels painful to be a Derby fan at the moment and yet I love this club and love football , win lose or draw football is why I choose to follow this club all over the country ....it just seems never bloody ending........................sad times indeed ................COYR 

Been off here for a bit enjoying the Euros and summer sunshine then come back on and read this thread and wham!!!! back to reality !!
It's no ones fault on here and of course its an important debate but I don't know about anyone else but the seemingly endless problems that are ongoing is really getting to me.....I'd love to be just talking about what we love but that seems way down the list and the EFL and us have really become a laughing stock its embarrasing and draining ...the EFL appeal...The Fine...The points deduction....The Takeover...will we sign anyone...the transfer embargo blah blaaah blaaaah I'd just love it if we could just get this sorted and move on!! It feels painful to be a Derby fan at the moment and yet I love this club and love football , win lose or draw football is why I choose to follow this club all over the country ....it just seems never bloody ending........................sad times indeed ................COYR 

We don't have any other centre backs at the moment, but I do agree he is a lot better than the rest of the players he had to play next to last season. If he had a competent sidekick he wouldn't have had to cover for multiple other players in the backline either.

Christ, so now Matt Clarke is barely good enough too? He's streets ahead of ALL of our other CBs.
 I despair at some folks' assessments of players, I really do ?‍♀️

I think Clarke is a quality player and wouldnt look out of place in a premier league team.
Thing is, he is up there as being one of our best players with the ball at his feet.
I thought last season, if we had options at the back I'd like to see Clarke as a replacement for Bielik as a holding midfielder.

I respect your opinion but I consider him to be average 

Well that's simply not true as we finished 10th in the 19/20 and he was our player of the season.
From all players to have started at least 10 games at CB (86), Clarke finished the season as the 6th most aerially dominant CBs in the league.
His most common partner, Wisdom, was 11th worst, winning only 51% of aerial battles.