Gerry Daly

So, you believe people have come to their opinions because we lost? I have come to mine after watching last season and this, all the home games and quite a few away. Also by listening to what a broad range of people have had to say about it. From my own assessment of our recruitment over 3 transfer windows which I think Warne is largely, if not completely responsible for. From seeing how he utilises the academy. From listening to him.  

So, you believe people have come to their opinions because we lost? I have come to mine after watching last season and this, all the home games and quite a few away. Also by listening to what a broad range of people have had to say about it. From my own assessment of our recruitment over 3 transfer windows which I think Warne is largely, if not completely responsible for. From seeing how he utilises the academy. From listening to him.  

So, you believe people have come to their opinions because we lost? I have come to mine after watching last season and this, all the home games and quite a few away. Also by listening to what a broad range of people have had to say about it. From my own assessment of our recruitment over 3 transfer windows which I think Warne is largely, if not completely responsible for. From seeing how he utilises the academy. From listening to him.  

Mark Warburton would be my choice his Brentford team played lovely attacking football he was big part of West Ham’s coaching staff last season and think he has a point to prove …that’s why he left them as he wants to get back into management very good coach and can work on a budget 

Happy clapper and the usual people liking your post. Wake up and smell the coffee all of you

Happy clapper and the usual people liking your post. Wake up and smell the coffee all of you

You need to tell your son that the San Siro isn't in Spain Dave, but I agree with your other comments!

Happy clapper and the usual people liking your post. Wake up and smell the coffee all of you

I'm not trying to speak for everyone and of course they are entitled to their opinions. I just think making out that there is some sort of 'adults in the room' perspective on this has worn very thin

Happy clapper and the usual people liking your post. Wake up and smell the coffee all of you

Happy clapper and the usual people liking your post. Wake up and smell the coffee all of you

Happy clapper and the usual people liking your post. Wake up and smell the coffee all of you

I'm not trying to speak for everyone and of course they are entitled to their opinions. I just think making out that there is some sort of 'adults in the room' perspective on this has worn very thin

This is my biggest bugbear about Warne's management.  He can't resist the urge to tinker every game.
Pick a settled formation - and play it.
Pick a settled team and subject to injuries, play it. When you need to, substitute like for like.
And don't just take off your midfield and throw all your forwards on when you're chasing a win.
The players look lost at times. Sometimes they are playing two or three formations/positions in the same game. Their instinct and trust for linking play are completely nullified in that situation. 

A few points:
1.  It's an entertainment business.  If the club think they can rely entirely on goodwill to keep people coming in through the gates, they're in for a shock.  And more than anything, playing entertaining football gives you something to fall back on when results don't go your way.  If you play well but manage to lose the game, people are still going to be largely positive.  If you play terribly and lose anyway, then what have you got? Nothing.
2.  I think there's definitely an argument that going up and coming straight back down is worse than not going up this year, then going up in a season or 2 and staying there.  We are still a "temporarily embarrassed Championship club" in most peoples minds (potential signings included), going up and staying up reinforces that.  Proving that we can't compete at Championship level any more just hammers home that we might end up stuck permanently at this kind of level.  (Obviously I know you can't pick and choose your promotions, you take what you can etc.)
3.  When did people get so down on the club?  It's like a big chunk of Derby fans have decided that we need to be punished and aren't allowed to have nice things any more.  It's *weird*.  We're not demanding that the club plays like Real Madrid every game, but it would be nice if we actually tried every now and then.  We're one of the biggest clubs in the league, with pretty much the biggest wage bill, probably the best academy and whatever else.  We should be going into games believing we can outplay the opposition, and okay if we can't then we find other ways to win, but we should at least be starting with that mindset.  I find the gamut of "it's League One, we have to play bad football" to  "we can't outplay teams, so we'll have to outrun them" type attitudes pretty sad to be honest.  We should be a team that plays good football and believes that we are good enough to beat teams by doing that.

What I find hard is the separation from how fans interpret the football we play, to what happens week after week and seemingly no change from the management team. Common themes are playing it on the floor, putting passes together, not being over reliant on crossing the ball as a method of attacking etc.
Difficult for them not wanting to be banned, but I can't recall any journalist asking PW about this. 
There were periods of the game last night when I thought that if someone didn't know the rules of football, they would think a team gets penalised for controlling the ball and passing it on the grass. It felt as if I was watching a football beach volleyball session where the ball mustn't hit the deck.
Surely it must be our players are being told to play in this way. I don't see any post match calling out from PW of our style of play unless it is not being 'aggressive' enough.
Teams can play there way out of this league ie Plymouth and Ipswich last season in particular, and on paper you'd think our players should be able to do this, but it seems that our quality players are being told to play like non league scrappers and it isn't working.

Will never boo our team at end of match but was tempted last night. If we dont go up I would sack PW immediately. Season tickets will be down if fans are faced with another season of this football in league 1. If we do go up I would still sack him immediately. PW has shown nothing to suggest he will even consolidate us staying up in championship. I wouldnt want PW involved in any way in more player decisions at the club if it was my money. I would hope david clowes is planning for both scenarios and has someone who will give him good footballing advice. Having said that I will trudge for every home match, support team and manager whilst there and trudge home again, and even desperately try for at least one away. 

Something we seem utterly incapable of at the moment.
Hindsight's a wonderful thing, but even before the kick-off last night, both my son and I were staggered at the lineup, given the attacking talent we had on the bench. This, for a home fixture against a team at the wrong end of the table with a dreadful winless streak. 
Neither of us is given to irrational knee-jerk reactions, being intelligent and level-headed men, but both of us have concluded that a change has to take place.  We know it won't be this season, so we'll suck it up and support the players, but we need to have a change at the helm in the Summer - whatever division we are in (League 1, most likely).  As others have said, attendance will continue to slide and this will impact revenues, given the turgid, lackluster and unexciting fayre being served.  Something is clearly not working, given the talent on paper at PW's disposal.  This group of players simply can't be so bereft of ideas; it must be down to how they are being coached to play the games. This league is a dire standard and whilst yes, we are still 2nd, I don't think that's because of our superiority, but rather the failings of others.
For the first time in my 60+ years of following this great club, I have never felt this despondent.  We will only get so many 'get out of jail' cards dealt and we must be near the end of them now.  We shouldn't have to rely on luck, but that's the only hope left right now for me.  If we do manage to limp out of this League, we'll face an even bigger challenge without some material change! 

Can’t believe the negativity on this thread again. It’s really crazy if you ask me 
Did everyone think we were going to win every game or play fantastic football in every game? I just don’t understand the levels of expectation 

Yeah and he lets us know about it often enough. I just think he's a bit of an old fart. I think Malcolm Christie is great though

I think Eric has become as big a dinosaur as Ian Hall was to be honest. 

Yeah and he lets us know about it often enough. I just think he's a bit of an old fart. I think Malcolm Christie is great though

I think Eric has become as big a dinosaur as Ian Hall was to be honest. 

“He’s dropped it, Shilton’s dropped it” comes quite close 😀

I think Eric has become as big a dinosaur as Ian Hall was to be honest.