Ghost of Clough

There are only 3 players to have come through Rotherham's academy during Warne's time as manager, and still be playing league football. For comparison, it would be very disappointing if our club produced fewer League footballers than that every season.
The only success story for Warne is Ben Wiles. A CM who made 193 appearances for Rotherham's first team.
       17/18 - 134 mins in the EFL Trophy
       18/19 - 1159 mins (Championship)
       19/20 - 40 apps (League 1)
       20/21 - 45 apps (Championship)
       21/22 - 53 apps (League 1)
       22/23 - 30 apps (Championship) then a £2m move to Huddersfield
Jerry Yates - a CF who made his first team debut the season before Warne became manager. He played 46 times (scoring only 3) before being sold to Blackpool for £200k in 2020 before eventually earning a move to Cardiff for £2.5m last summer.
       14/15 - (before Warne) 5 mins in the league
       15/16 - (before Warne) not used
       16/17 - 1089 first team mins (Championship), introduced during an injury crisis
       17/18 - 855 mins (League 1)
       18/19 - loan to Carlisle (League 2) and played in 29 games, then returned to Rotherham for 237 mins across 7 games (Championship)
       19/20 - last minute sub in 1 League 1 game, and 35 games on loan at Swindon (League 2)
Josh Kayode - another CF who made all 37 his Rotherham appearances under Warne (3 goals)
       17/18 - 51 mins in the EFL Trophy
       18/19 - short loan to Chesterfield (National League) where he played for 140 mins
       19/20 - 17 mins in the EFL Trophy, followed by 22 games at Gateshead (National League North) and 5 games at Carlisle (League 2)
       20/21 - Another loan to Carlisle (League 2) where he played in 36 games
       21/22 - 1178 first team minutes spread across 28 games (League 1)
       22/23 - 26 mins in the League Cup prior to a loan at MK Dons where he made 9 appearances
I refer you back to the Fan Forum - earlier that day, Warne attended an U21 game, with Weston scoring a hattrick. Warne didn't even know his name. He also thought he was watching U21 football prior to our first team games on Saturdays when it was actually U18s.

Well I think Plying a 16 year old with drink is very mature 😁

If it was a one off, I would agree with you. However, it's a consistent pattern from when Warne first became manager. Opportunities to guve academy players minutes to prove themselves and to give first teamers a little rest to prevent burnout.
Warne has also repeatedly come out with comments suggesting he: doesn't trust young players; thinks it's disrespectful to the opposition to use them for a meaningful amount of time; has a blind view that you need to be a League 1 level player just to play 10 minutes in a game; and also comes out with excuses why he didn't bring them on ("ran out of subs").

Ask Bolton fans? 80k turned up at Wembley to watch Bolton win 4-0 against Plymouth in the Finallast season

Ask Bolton fans? 80k turned up at Wembley to watch Bolton win 4-0 against Plymouth in the Finallast season

No set date, but probably later this week since we'll play in 2 weeks time.

Has anyone claimed we should be starting anyone from the academy on a regualr basis? At most, there have been a handful of people who have claimed the likes of Brown should have been given the odd start when our other players were out of form.
I think it's also common sense to use the academy to ease the physical burden on the relatively small first team squad. Warne wants to play a high intensity style of play, which the older players in our first team struggle with when playing Saturday-Tuesday for several weeks on a row.
Giving them a few minutes here and a game there is a key part in their development to ensure they are ready to play a regular part in the first team in the future. It's rare for a player to go from a handful of games at U18/21 level to being a first team regular. Instead, it's a gradually increase in exposure, and often with a loan or two. The best chance for then to earn a loan is by putting their name in the shop window when they play for the first team - those games show potential suitors if they're mentally ready for first team football, whislt only their technical ability can be seen from youth football.

Has anyone claimed we should be starting anyone from the academy on a regualr basis? At most, there have been a handful of people who have claimed the likes of Brown should have been given the odd start when our other players were out of form.
I think it's also common sense to use the academy to ease the physical burden on the relatively small first team squad. Warne wants to play a high intensity style of play, which the older players in our first team struggle with when playing Saturday-Tuesday for several weeks on a row.
Giving them a few minutes here and a game there is a key part in their development to ensure they are ready to play a regular part in the first team in the future. It's rare for a player to go from a handful of games at U18/21 level to being a first team regular. Instead, it's a gradually increase in exposure, and often with a loan or two. The best chance for then to earn a loan is by putting their name in the shop window when they play for the first team - those games show potential suitors if they're mentally ready for first team football, whislt only their technical ability can be seen from youth football.

1. We could have paid a fee in the summer but chose not to.
2. We will pays fees for players we bought in the summer depending on promotion and sell-ons.
3. We signed 4 players who are 30 or older in the summer, when younger players were available (even on a free).
4. We would have a younger squad if we used the academy more than we have been,

If it was a one off, I would agree with you. However, it's a consistent pattern from when Warne first became manager. Opportunities to guve academy players minutes to prove themselves and to give first teamers a little rest to prevent burnout.
Warne has also repeatedly come out with comments suggesting he: doesn't trust young players; thinks it's disrespectful to the opposition to use them for a meaningful amount of time; has a blind view that you need to be a League 1 level player just to play 10 minutes in a game; and also comes out with excuses why he didn't bring them on ("ran out of subs").

Yes, Gill was the LB in that game.
I felt Bogle had shown himself to be good enough to be backup. The opportunity to have a more regular presented itself when Wisdom was injured. We also lucked out on that occasion because no clubs in L1 wanted to take the risk on him as he didn't have any first team experience.

If it was a one off, I would agree with you. However, it's a consistent pattern from when Warne first became manager. Opportunities to guve academy players minutes to prove themselves and to give first teamers a little rest to prevent burnout.
Warne has also repeatedly come out with comments suggesting he: doesn't trust young players; thinks it's disrespectful to the opposition to use them for a meaningful amount of time; has a blind view that you need to be a League 1 level player just to play 10 minutes in a game; and also comes out with excuses why he didn't bring them on ("ran out of subs").

Just picking up on your Weston comment. The crisisism isn't that Weston should be playing full 90s. There were two very clear opportunities to use him in the last 2 games.
The first was against Barnsley. We were 3-0 up after 80 mins played and still had 1 sub break to use (3 subs remaining). Weston absolutely should have been brought on. At worst, it would give Collins (our only fit forward) a little rest. At best, Weston feels rewarded and has the chance to earn a more permanent role in the squad.

Just picking up on your Weston comment. The crisisism isn't that Weston should be playing full 90s. There were two very clear opportunities to use him in the last 2 games.
The first was against Barnsley. We were 3-0 up after 80 mins played and still had 1 sub break to use (3 subs remaining). Weston absolutely should have been brought on. At worst, it would give Collins (our only fit forward) a little rest. At best, Weston feels rewarded and has the chance to earn a more permanent role in the squad.

Just picking up on your Weston comment. The crisisism isn't that Weston should be playing full 90s. There were two very clear opportunities to use him in the last 2 games.
The first was against Barnsley. We were 3-0 up after 80 mins played and still had 1 sub break to use (3 subs remaining). Weston absolutely should have been brought on. At worst, it would give Collins (our only fit forward) a little rest. At best, Weston feels rewarded and has the chance to earn a more permanent role in the squad.

Just picking up on your Weston comment. The crisisism isn't that Weston should be playing full 90s. There were two very clear opportunities to use him in the last 2 games.
The first was against Barnsley. We were 3-0 up after 80 mins played and still had 1 sub break to use (3 subs remaining). Weston absolutely should have been brought on. At worst, it would give Collins (our only fit forward) a little rest. At best, Weston feels rewarded and has the chance to earn a more permanent role in the squad.

Just picking up on your Weston comment. The crisisism isn't that Weston should be playing full 90s. There were two very clear opportunities to use him in the last 2 games.
The first was against Barnsley. We were 3-0 up after 80 mins played and still had 1 sub break to use (3 subs remaining). Weston absolutely should have been brought on. At worst, it would give Collins (our only fit forward) a little rest. At best, Weston feels rewarded and has the chance to earn a more permanent role in the squad.

Feb is the perfect time for Warnock. He doesn't like it in the dugout during cold winters anymore.

There are only 3 players to have come through Rotherham's academy during Warne's time as manager, and still be playing league football. For comparison, it would be very disappointing if our club produced fewer League footballers than that every season.
The only success story for Warne is Ben Wiles. A CM who made 193 appearances for Rotherham's first team.
       17/18 - 134 mins in the EFL Trophy
       18/19 - 1159 mins (Championship)
       19/20 - 40 apps (League 1)
       20/21 - 45 apps (Championship)
       21/22 - 53 apps (League 1)
       22/23 - 30 apps (Championship) then a £2m move to Huddersfield
Jerry Yates - a CF who made his first team debut the season before Warne became manager. He played 46 times (scoring only 3) before being sold to Blackpool for £200k in 2020 before eventually earning a move to Cardiff for £2.5m last summer.
       14/15 - (before Warne) 5 mins in the league
       15/16 - (before Warne) not used
       16/17 - 1089 first team mins (Championship), introduced during an injury crisis
       17/18 - 855 mins (League 1)
       18/19 - loan to Carlisle (League 2) and played in 29 games, then returned to Rotherham for 237 mins across 7 games (Championship)
       19/20 - last minute sub in 1 League 1 game, and 35 games on loan at Swindon (League 2)
Josh Kayode - another CF who made all 37 his Rotherham appearances under Warne (3 goals)
       17/18 - 51 mins in the EFL Trophy
       18/19 - short loan to Chesterfield (National League) where he played for 140 mins
       19/20 - 17 mins in the EFL Trophy, followed by 22 games at Gateshead (National League North) and 5 games at Carlisle (League 2)
       20/21 - Another loan to Carlisle (League 2) where he played in 36 games
       21/22 - 1178 first team minutes spread across 28 games (League 1)
       22/23 - 26 mins in the League Cup prior to a loan at MK Dons where he made 9 appearances
I refer you back to the Fan Forum - earlier that day, Warne attended an U21 game, with Weston scoring a hattrick. Warne didn't even know his name. He also thought he was watching U21 football prior to our first team games on Saturdays when it was actually U18s.

Just picking up on your Weston comment. The crisisism isn't that Weston should be playing full 90s. There were two very clear opportunities to use him in the last 2 games.
The first was against Barnsley. We were 3-0 up after 80 mins played and still had 1 sub break to use (3 subs remaining). Weston absolutely should have been brought on. At worst, it would give Collins (our only fit forward) a little rest. At best, Weston feels rewarded and has the chance to earn a more permanent role in the squad.

Just picking up on your Weston comment. The crisisism isn't that Weston should be playing full 90s. There were two very clear opportunities to use him in the last 2 games.
The first was against Barnsley. We were 3-0 up after 80 mins played and still had 1 sub break to use (3 subs remaining). Weston absolutely should have been brought on. At worst, it would give Collins (our only fit forward) a little rest. At best, Weston feels rewarded and has the chance to earn a more permanent role in the squad.

There are only 3 players to have come through Rotherham's academy during Warne's time as manager, and still be playing league football. For comparison, it would be very disappointing if our club produced fewer League footballers than that every season.
The only success story for Warne is Ben Wiles. A CM who made 193 appearances for Rotherham's first team.
       17/18 - 134 mins in the EFL Trophy
       18/19 - 1159 mins (Championship)
       19/20 - 40 apps (League 1)
       20/21 - 45 apps (Championship)
       21/22 - 53 apps (League 1)
       22/23 - 30 apps (Championship) then a £2m move to Huddersfield
Jerry Yates - a CF who made his first team debut the season before Warne became manager. He played 46 times (scoring only 3) before being sold to Blackpool for £200k in 2020 before eventually earning a move to Cardiff for £2.5m last summer.
       14/15 - (before Warne) 5 mins in the league
       15/16 - (before Warne) not used
       16/17 - 1089 first team mins (Championship), introduced during an injury crisis
       17/18 - 855 mins (League 1)
       18/19 - loan to Carlisle (League 2) and played in 29 games, then returned to Rotherham for 237 mins across 7 games (Championship)
       19/20 - last minute sub in 1 League 1 game, and 35 games on loan at Swindon (League 2)
Josh Kayode - another CF who made all 37 his Rotherham appearances under Warne (3 goals)
       17/18 - 51 mins in the EFL Trophy
       18/19 - short loan to Chesterfield (National League) where he played for 140 mins
       19/20 - 17 mins in the EFL Trophy, followed by 22 games at Gateshead (National League North) and 5 games at Carlisle (League 2)
       20/21 - Another loan to Carlisle (League 2) where he played in 36 games
       21/22 - 1178 first team minutes spread across 28 games (League 1)
       22/23 - 26 mins in the League Cup prior to a loan at MK Dons where he made 9 appearances
I refer you back to the Fan Forum - earlier that day, Warne attended an U21 game, with Weston scoring a hattrick. Warne didn't even know his name. He also thought he was watching U21 football prior to our first team games on Saturdays when it was actually U18s.

Bucko comes across really well on the interview I think. Full of passion, realism, common sense and knowledge. He proved as a player that he had the character and grit to make the maximum use of his own abilities and he probably reached the maximum potential he could possibly achieve before he retired. I think our young players are in good hands while he is around. He seems to have a patriarchal air about him and seems set on bringing those he thinks are ready to the attention of the head coach. I hope Warne knows that he's dealing with a no-nonsense football genius 😆. COYR.

Has anyone claimed we should be starting anyone from the academy on a regualr basis? At most, there have been a handful of people who have claimed the likes of Brown should have been given the odd start when our other players were out of form.
I think it's also common sense to use the academy to ease the physical burden on the relatively small first team squad. Warne wants to play a high intensity style of play, which the older players in our first team struggle with when playing Saturday-Tuesday for several weeks on a row.
Giving them a few minutes here and a game there is a key part in their development to ensure they are ready to play a regular part in the first team in the future. It's rare for a player to go from a handful of games at U18/21 level to being a first team regular. Instead, it's a gradually increase in exposure, and often with a loan or two. The best chance for then to earn a loan is by putting their name in the shop window when they play for the first team - those games show potential suitors if they're mentally ready for first team football, whislt only their technical ability can be seen from youth football.

Just the type of winger we need. A 28 year old who has only scored more than 2 goals in a season twice