The Scarlet Pimpernel

4 minutes ago, 1967RAMS said:

What bit of that isn’t 100% accurate? Apart from the speculation that he will bail out of actually buying a club at the 11 th hour. ??. He’s a chancer, and come Monday he will be blaming MM and/or the EFL for yet another attempt at buying a football club going wrong. 

Pure opinion dressed up as fact. 

Is he retiring? 

Grandad: Derby

Dad: Derby

Mum: not bothered but saw a few Derby games at BBG.

School: Spurs/Man U Etc.

Local now: Bournemouth

Kids; 2 x Derby & 1 x Man U (Married a Manc)

40 minutes ago, Crewton said:

Yes, £23M is a pretty good deal in the current climate. The £81M valuation was of course carried out pre-Covid, before the fuel crisis and before a full-scale war broke out in Ukraine, and also when the stadium was owned by a football club in the Championship with a turnover of £30M and potential for adding facilities that might increase commercial revenues. The circumstances are much different now, and the chances of anyone paying that valuation are negligible. The stadium owner, whilst having some leverage in any deal, can only set a price that he believes someone will be willing to pay and he needs it to be sold to clear his obligations to his lender- it's a distressed sale, even though the owner has a degree of power over the most likely/fitting purchasers.

Agree with all that but my point is its still of value which at say a realistic £23m means the club as a going concern even in league 3 must be worth at least £35m.

Where does the valuation of £80m for the stadium come in all this? Plenty on here, including me, defended the valuation as it was carried out by international professional valuers. That being the case isn't someone who pays £23m for it getting a good deal? Infact if you factor the £80m valuation of the stadium plus the potential and good will in owning DCFC I would say you could argue a value of £100m.

Have I missed something?

For numerous reasons whatever is happening its got to happen soon. 

1 hour ago, RedSox said:

But they did, though.  They told us so!  Words to the effect that the stadium would not be an issue, so how can it be??  Shambles!

They said they had an agreement with Morris that the stadium wouldn't be an obstacle. It seems they left out the bit about the price had to be Morris choice and his alone though. 

5 minutes ago, one_chop said:

For Logistic reasons Stoke would be the easiest ground share. However it's all irrelevant. Enjoy making history attending the last game. 

For those saying I'm hoping for liquidation you couldn't be more wrong. Going to the match is my only escape from such a mundane life.

Last I heard on here the council are working hard to purchase the stadium. Why do you expect liquidation? 

Should we be asking questions of team Derby? I think it was them who instigated the proposal for the council to buy the stadium. It would be good to hear an update from their spokesman today.

The issue for us fans is timing. We are all desperate to retain as much of the squad as possible. That can only happen I would suggest if the deal is secured or at least binding contracts to buy the club are entered into by this weekend. Players won't quite rightly hang around much longer. 

2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

No. 

2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

No. 

I think you are being deliberately obtuse on this Roy. 

21 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

I'm asking why CK is putting on his condition. Just trying to understand what's what.

I'd really like Morris long gone. I don't want to be blinded by my dislike of him however.

Because, I assume, he wants to deal with a dispassionate stable organisation rather than a tainted local businessman who has a bad reputation. Far more stability going forward. Isn't that obvious? 

Not a Sibley fan myself I'm afraid. Nothing personal against him but I don't think he's good enough. 

3 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

What was the significance of the sombreros? 

Ahh, got it now. As you were. 

What was the significance of the sombreros? 

1 minute ago, WhiteHorseRam said:

I will be happy if we just sort our poo out in L1.

 

There are some happy clappers on here who think we will go straight back up - that would be great obviously - but rather than desperately lunge at it it needs to be done in a sustainable fashion.

Create a model that can then be expanded for an eventual return to the Promised Land.

Not sure Ive seen anyone say we will go straight back up but I assume you are right?

Retain the bulk of this squad and add serious fire power and we will have quite a team. 

Kirchner is hoping to be paying the bills from 7th May. Although we can't offer contracts officially I imagine Rooney can show those he wants to stay the type of contract he can offer. 

1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Try double. Range of £15-20m depending on match tickets and sponsorship

That's excellent if correct and I know you usually are pretty accurate with this stuff. Do you have time to list your build up. I would be interested.

Not very scientific but I am assuming in league 1 DCFC may have a total income, without player sales, of around £8m?

I love Rooneys style of playing out from the back and through the lines. I hope it becomes our style for the foreseeable future even if/when he goes. 

4 hours ago, BodminRam said:

They docked us 21 points

And we dont give a ,,,,

Cos we are Derby County

And will bounce straight back up

Lose the word "straight" in the last line and it works. 

3 hours ago, Shipley Ram said:

Or Danny Mills, they lied to him too. What a promise from Middlesbrough worth?

 

I know it's not the point being made in this thread but what an arrogant money grabbing no mark Mills is. No wonder football is broken. 

48 minutes ago, The Big One said:

We all laughed, sniggered and thought we had been dealt the perfect hand when Reading FC appointed Paul Ince, but wow, what a job he has done there.  They have pulled some incredible results out of the bag, instilled some fight, which showed against Swansea yesterday.  To think he is only interim as well.

You are very pro Reading FC looking at your posting history. Just an observation. 

13 minutes ago, RamBeauIV said:

Excellent Questions!!!! 

Quite a few people have been suggesting that the Council can turn a profit on renting to us for £1M or £2M per season!  Fantasy Island.

A fair rent might actually be over £5M per season if the Council is not going to be increasing our council tax further.   

The cost of running a football stadium for 12 months (the Boro costs from a few years ago):

• Business Rates = £1.2M
• Utility Bills (Gas, Water, Electricity) = £760K
• Fire, Theft, Liability Insurance = £380K
• Police Costs = £300K
• Other Security, Surveillance, CCTV = £300K
• Medical Presence (Paramedics etc.) = £400K
• VAT = £1.4M
• Ticket Office, Hospitality & Kiosks = £2.5M plus £300K N.I.
• Stewards & PT Staff = £400K
• Ground Maintenance = £400K
• Stadium Cleaning = £345K
• Cleaning Equipment & Sundries = £250K

Who's going to pay these costs? Mel, the council?  The income from tickets, matchdays and sponsorship will soon get swallowed up.  We need the new owner to buy PPS as well as the club.

Those costs seem astronomical to me for 23 games plus a couple of cup ties.