tomsdubs

OK so let's post the most important stats.
Hughton had about 4x the wage budget
Hughton had no transfer embargo
Hughton had no boardroom calamity
Hughton hasnt had his best player do his knee ligaments.

Because we can only give 1 year contracts on 4.5k a week
Or 6 month loans with no loan fee
 
Would Rasiak and Idiakez come on a 1 year contract on those wages? would they balls! 

Like I said, pretty even spread 50/50, I was responding to a post saying ex Man Utd players have a rep for turning in to poor managers. I think this proves that is not the case.

I really don’t give a poo about statistics, that’s what I mean about being at a game live, as a supporter I will always back whoever is in charge but I was at Brentford away which is one of the worst performances I have seen in over 50 years of watching Derby and saw Cocu get a barrage of abuse at halftime. Fast forward to this season and I have seen nothing but support for the manager and players from the fans at the games and the atmosphere has been brilliant regardless of the result.

Lets see.
Bruce - Noted promotion specialist and considered a good man for a budget side. Had a decent career.
Giggs -  Did OK with Wales to be fair despite his personal qualities.
Hughes - Took Blackburn in to European football, had a reasonable management career with some big jobs.
Blanc - Won 8 trophies with PSG.
Keane - Does have a promotion to his name but in the end very average manager.
Robson - Oversaw the greatest escape in Prem history, other than that very average manager.
Strachan - Won 6 trophies in Scotland and wasn't too bad in the Prem.
 
Obviously a number of ex-players that weren't great but it seems a reasonable balance of success to me. Shall we list the Dutch managers or should we just save some time?

Lets see.
Bruce - Noted promotion specialist and considered a good man for a budget side. Had a decent career.
Giggs -  Did OK with Wales to be fair despite his personal qualities.
Hughes - Took Blackburn in to European football, had a reasonable management career with some big jobs.
Blanc - Won 8 trophies with PSG.
Keane - Does have a promotion to his name but in the end very average manager.
Robson - Oversaw the greatest escape in Prem history, other than that very average manager.
Strachan - Won 6 trophies in Scotland and wasn't too bad in the Prem.
 
Obviously a number of ex-players that weren't great but it seems a reasonable balance of success to me. Shall we list the Dutch managers or should we just save some time?

The games when Bielik was fit Cocu turned him in to a mistake ridden mess, also played him at CB which ended badly. I wanted Cocu to succeed because he seemed like a genuinely nice guy. Dutch coaches rarely succeed in Britain and he's just another one to add to the list.

What is it about Wayne that makes you go to lengths of using these convoluted arguments to try and prove a point to justify your criticism? 
See the way I see it is at least he's had the stones to stick around in the face of an absolute car crash situation, still managing to motivate a team of scraps to try and survive. We could be far worse off, after all it was Wayne that signed Gregory and got Bielik back playing to his best here. Bielik looked totally lost under your boy Cocu.

What is it about Wayne that makes you go to lengths of using these convoluted arguments to try and prove a point to justify your criticism? 
See the way I see it is at least he's had the stones to stick around in the face of an absolute car crash situation, still managing to motivate a team of scraps to try and survive. We could be far worse off, after all it was Wayne that signed Gregory and got Bielik back playing to his best here. Bielik looked totally lost under your boy Cocu.

What is it about Wayne that makes you go to lengths of using these convoluted arguments to try and prove a point to justify your criticism? 
See the way I see it is at least he's had the stones to stick around in the face of an absolute car crash situation, still managing to motivate a team of scraps to try and survive. We could be far worse off, after all it was Wayne that signed Gregory and got Bielik back playing to his best here. Bielik looked totally lost under your boy Cocu.

What is it about Wayne that makes you go to lengths of using these convoluted arguments to try and prove a point to justify your criticism? 
See the way I see it is at least he's had the stones to stick around in the face of an absolute car crash situation, still managing to motivate a team of scraps to try and survive. We could be far worse off, after all it was Wayne that signed Gregory and got Bielik back playing to his best here. Bielik looked totally lost under your boy Cocu.

Out of those…. Bielik isn the only one that made a difference and Rooney has hardly had him fit either. 
And Cocu also had England’s greatest ever goal scorer to pick too…
but as you say, let’s not remember that….

Saw a lot of empty seats there but for the fans that did turn up at least they got the place ready for them:

Saw a lot of empty seats there but for the fans that did turn up at least they got the place ready for them:

Saw a lot of empty seats there but for the fans that did turn up at least they got the place ready for them:

Saw a lot of empty seats there but for the fans that did turn up at least they got the place ready for them:

Saw a lot of empty seats there but for the fans that did turn up at least they got the place ready for them:

Travelling time to games is still work, getting up, packing for a bus or plane, hotels, game tactivcs, etc, it is huge part of their career and it does take it out of you (I presume). I know Jagielka suffered a cruciate ligament injury around a decade ago, but until his transfer to Sheffield United, he played nearly every game and that transfer was only two season ago, when he was 37.
 
That same logic can also be applied to a kid, which seems to be around 16-22, that they are too young and need six seasons' experience before they are ready for first-team regularity. 
 
Pirlo, Chiellini are just two examples that managed to play a couple of games a week and lived through the experience.

Owner will just sell one of the players to his other club for 10m, it's only using loopholes if Mel does it remember. Derby are the only club in football that ever actually broke a rule duh.

I imagine we'll try and rotate the CBs due to age, can't see Jagielka playing out a full season at his age.

Without Shinnie in there we would struggle to win another game as the squad stands IMO. Does all the dirty work.

Without Shinnie in there we would struggle to win another game as the squad stands IMO. Does all the dirty work.

Without Shinnie in there we would struggle to win another game as the squad stands IMO. Does all the dirty work.

Without Shinnie in there we would struggle to win another game as the squad stands IMO. Does all the dirty work.

Without Shinnie in there we would struggle to win another game as the squad stands IMO. Does all the dirty work.