RAM1966

Kids eh B4, they just get in the way of football enjoyment.
I’d leave them at home with a panda pop and a bag of crisps me.

You might want to hand it in to the bank that person with.

I'm not sure we will ever know what Kirchner's plans to fund us actually were, at first glance it looks like a 3 amigos style purchase.  Maybe the investigations and enquiries to come in the US, may actually shed some light on where this money was going to come from.
100% a dodged bullet and I think we would have ended up liquidated.
 
 

Not quickly necessarily. But before we return to the Championship.
 
Owning a club in L1 - especially Derby under an EFL business plan - is relatively low risk and I’d think there’s a part of him which will enjoy it despite his desire for a low profile. But his Saturday afternoons at PP are important to him and he’ll know many fans will turn on him if we don’t get promoted before long.
Owning Derby in the championship is a different proposition.  Parachute payments, he knows how stupendously wealthy several other owners are and he’s seen what rams ownership did to MM (a much wealthier man). Plus he knows that tens of thousands of people in derby expect a good owner to take us to the PL (especially given what our noisy neighbours are now enjoying). 
It was no secret that he was a reluctant buyer of the club (albeit he may have been an enthusiastic buyer of the stadium for £23m !). In fact the big (largely unnoticed) reveal in his video interview was that the decision to buy the club after CK crashed and burned was in part driven by a desire to protect the value of the stadium (already purchased). 
 
Best scenario for DC overall might be for us to narrowly miss promotion this year, then for us to run away with the title in 23/24. Then he has time for a leisurely sale of a championship club that (I think) would be free of EFL constraints. 
We’ll see ...  

I think you are being somewhat kind to Mr Kirtchner.  
This had absolutely nothing to do with wanting to own a football club (though he probably did), nor did he care about the helping the club, nor was this a "commercial idea">
If you haven't already, watch the The Man Who Stole Cricket, regarding 'Sir' Alan Stanford or listen to "the Trillion Pound Scam", about Notts County. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0bq3935
CK is an alleged fraudster of some kind.  Those types need to have credibility.  He got that by sponsoring sport he had no intention of paying.  And he probably assumed - likely correctly - DCFC were so desperate that they would not question him strongly enough; we would want to believe.
If he were trying to rip someone off for multi multi millions, let's muse, then how better than to show that you are friends with Rooney and all the golfers.  Fake it until you make it.  Or fake it until you fake it even bigger.  Alan Stanford used cricket the same way.  Munto finance did the same thing to Notts County.  
This was about a facade and the club was the mirror to show he is the real deal.   If you are the real deal, people will buy anything.  

They should go futher, the money should be deposited with the EFL with a agreement to purchase with large penalty clauses should the purchaser pull out without a goog reason.
This is why purchasing the club without the stadium did not make sense.  I said this at the tome and got slated.  Itcwas clear as day he did not have the money yo do both and therefore a poor choice by the Administrators.
No wonder Rooney has peed off to the States while this all blows over....

A simple solution to prevent this type of situation is for any administrators or sellers to insist on seeing the money in a UK based account. Would stop the Kirchner's, Derventio's and Alonso's of this world. Just seeing the money in a random account isn't enough.

I'm glad Kirchner will be about £2M out of pocket, his messing about cost us vital players and in the end nearly forced us out of business, I'm just grateful for DCs charitable act to save us.
I hope he does time for his dealings, swanning around in a private jet while his employees go unpaid for months.....

Good to see a decent performance both halves was refreshing to see, the fitness is clearly building.   
I think we ned McGoldrick starting asap.....  I feel for Collins, he's been so close, I think once that first goal goes in, he will starting banging them in regularly.

He's a chancing con-man playing with other peoples money. That's all.

Good to see a decent performance both halves was refreshing to see, the fitness is clearly building.   
I think we ned McGoldrick starting asap.....  I feel for Collins, he's been so close, I think once that first goal goes in, he will starting banging them in regularly.

I'm glad Kirchner will be about £2M out of pocket, his messing about cost us vital players and in the end nearly forced us out of business, I'm just grateful for DCs charitable act to save us.
I hope he does time for his dealings, swanning around in a private jet while his employees go unpaid for months.....

I have the same faith as you B4, yes we will get better and especially if we have on or two more additions to the squad before the transfer window shuts. What we want in the next few games, is the ball going in the net early in the match. That will force teams to open up against us, which create more space in behind their back line.

I know our last 3 away games been frusrating but our first away win will come we are creating chances just the ball will not going in the net at the moment but we have manage another solid away point and another clean sheet 4 games unbeaten now so that is postive to take from game today.

I'm glad Kirchner will be about £2M out of pocket, his messing about cost us vital players and in the end nearly forced us out of business, I'm just grateful for DCs charitable act to save us.
I hope he does time for his dealings, swanning around in a private jet while his employees go unpaid for months.....

I get that this was a complex case and all that, but Quantuma should never be allowed anywhere near a football club ever again. They got lucky with Clowes, not only did he bail out Derby County but he also bailed out Quantuma from overseeing the liquidation of one of the founder members of the Football League. Lucky boys.

You don't think CK took the DCFC nuclear launch codes along with his free jacket do you?

Truly staggering that the administrators nearly sold us completely and utterly into destruction 

That’s a bit harsh, I would say he is overweight - now the dodgy chap at Forest now he is FAT 

100% bang on the debts would have got worse and it would have been curtains for sure, we are very lucky David Clowes has been kind enough to pay over the odds (Event after writing off some of the debt), for us when we were clearly insolvent.  The £53M he paid was a championship value not a League 1 Club value.
I really hope for David Clowes that we go back up and he sees a return on his investment. 

100% bang on the debts would have got worse and it would have been curtains for sure, we are very lucky David Clowes has been kind enough to pay over the odds (Event after writing off some of the debt), for us when we were clearly insolvent.  The £53M he paid was a championship value not a League 1 Club value.
I really hope for David Clowes that we go back up and he sees a return on his investment. 

100% bang on the debts would have got worse and it would have been curtains for sure, we are very lucky David Clowes has been kind enough to pay over the odds (Event after writing off some of the debt), for us when we were clearly insolvent.  The £53M he paid was a championship value not a League 1 Club value.
I really hope for David Clowes that we go back up and he sees a return on his investment. 

Your point is well made
first half yesterday was not one way traffic - Barnsley had some lucid intervals where they overloaded and played through us in midfield. So with a 2 goal lead,  when that happened again in the second half and continued, we needed to change shape. I don’t think we did,  until a substitution that was made too late
for those who say it’s fitness: then why weren’t subs made earlier ?
And for those who say: we’ve had little pre season prep, the inevitable response sadly is: can’t you remember seeing the same last season? And the season before ?  

100% bang on the debts would have got worse and it would have been curtains for sure, we are very lucky David Clowes has been kind enough to pay over the odds (Event after writing off some of the debt), for us when we were clearly insolvent.  The £53M he paid was a championship value not a League 1 Club value.
I really hope for David Clowes that we go back up and he sees a return on his investment. 

100% bang on the debts would have got worse and it would have been curtains for sure, we are very lucky David Clowes has been kind enough to pay over the odds (Event after writing off some of the debt), for us when we were clearly insolvent.  The £53M he paid was a championship value not a League 1 Club value.
I really hope for David Clowes that we go back up and he sees a return on his investment.