RAM1966
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FFS the transfer window isnt even open, yet people are moaning. The loss of Didzy is a blow, but, we were not going to give him a 2 year deal. He's gone, lets get over it.
Warnes track record with limited funds speaks for itself. Everyone knows we need lots of signings, some will take time as they are sought after players.
Stay patient and give both the club and our manager a chance!
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2 hours ago, SSD said:
Folks putting poor old Cocu on the list is very harsh.
Came in midway through pre season at some ridiculous training camp in the USA. Mel blew all his money on Bielik before he came in. Then Rooney came in, forcing Cocu to play him every week, Wayne breathing down his neck for the managers job if he failed. The team building incident. COVID striking whilst we was on an upward turn of form for a potential play off push. Had some cracking home game results under his tenure. COVID killed the momentum dead.
Then Mel clearly wanted to bail out. Gave him no backing whatsoever. Rooney piled on the pounds in the summer and was a complete liability for him.
He has to be one of the most unlucky manager in our history. And then he walked away with far less compo then he was due. A good egg in my book.
Playing out from the back when his team was not capable of doing so was his downfall and cost us dearly game after game. Good managers adapt and are not one trick ponies.............
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Best managers
Cloughie - Legend
McKay - Won the title.
Smith - Amazing entertaining football, only matched by Schteve since.
Mac - Amazing all out attacking team, great to watch.
Cox - Div 1 Champions, had financial backing though....
Burley - Flowing attacking football, scuppered in Play-offs with key players injured. Alledged off pitch activities saw and end to his reign, or he would of delivered PL football in my view.
Worst
Docherty - Destroyed a Title winning team.
Jewell - Clueless the players failt every week.
Pearson - Piss poor leader
Cocu Never adapted to Championship football....
Davies- Horrible man, remember his we'll see when we won playoffs, when stated a PL manager. Followed by his, we will go many games without a win, not forgetting wasting £3m, signing Bambi on Ice. The worst centre half ever to wear a Derby shirt, yes worse than Keogh!
Let's hope Warney makes the top 3 in years to come... 👍
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On 27/05/2023 at 13:48, simmoram1995 said:
It’s about rotation. The problem we stuttered to the end of the season was burn out and the ability to rotate our team.
GK - Wildsmith then I’d imagine we’d re-sign the other two maybe make loach a coach or something
WB/RB - Clare on a free , knight maybe Harding
CB - Cashin / Forsyth/ Bradley / Robertson or Harding possibly Roberts on a free too
LWB - Forsyth/ Roberts possibly a younger loan player
CM - Knight/ Hourihane/ Sibley / Bird + maybe a new midfielder if knight or sibley goes
FWs/W - mcgolderick if he re-signs / Collins / Rodrigues/ another striker / Mendez Laing, Barkhuizen plus another winger maybe a loan
I’d imagine depending on who we get rid of
it will be CBS all on a free and RB on a free a LB on loan , maybe an extra midfielder on loan or for a small fee , a winger on loan , then two forwards one a free and another our biggest fee maybe Bonis or someone else
Id leave Fozzy as a CH, he's been immense there this season.... 3 Chs and 2 nippy wing backs, that can take players on and cross a ball, the Manure line up from the 90s the the Neville Bros....
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1 hour ago, B4ev6is said:
It could be offered later through.
I hope you are right B4, I just can't see it though, PW has his coaching team and I think expanding on it while money is tight may not be the best use of the finances.... Look at how we've stripped out the apprentices, loads released.
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31 minutes ago, B4ev6is said:
Curtis davies is welcome back any time would not be surprise if he does not join coaching staff.
I'd like to see this B4, I think it would have been mentioned though so I cannot see it...
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2 hours ago, Inverurie Ram said:
I wonder if the same decision would have been made, if we were still involved in the play offs.
Have the EFL decided that they will be far too busy laying into the likes of Birmingham, Reading and Peterborough etc and it’s maybe time to lay off Derby County for a bit, hence we will still be monitored by the EFL against our own budget and business plan.
Will the EFL and their officials be far too busy destroying other teams on the pitch instead of Derby County?
Wouldn’t it be great to watch a live game of football involving Derby County where we could actually talk to our mates after the game or on social media without having to mention the EFL and their lousy officials and just discuss the football.
Fantastic.
I was thinking exactly the same thing....
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3 hours ago, FlyBritishMidland said:
At the risk of being shot down I’m going to play devils advocate regarding the amortisation issue. How we applied it is within accounting rules but there were no EFL rules as to how it should be done. However, in a contract there are explicit and implicit terms. The EFL, and paraphrasing them they are a body of all 72 member clubs, would argue that straight-line amortisation is implicit as it’s custom and practice within the industry. They’d also argue that this have is an advantage over the other 71 clubs. From that perspective you could argue they were right to pursue the case against us.
The point is there was a loop hole and clubs have been exploiting them until the EFL spotted and has closed them. What's different in out case, is that a retrospective rule change was made after Admin accepted a punishment with no right of appeal. They closed the loop on the straight line amortisation method, which means we did not break the rules, so how can we be punished? Not only that, they then relaxed the rules for covid reasons to help out other clubs, who may have been deducted points, could reading have fallen into this category for further points deductions? Could we of stayed up had they not done this?
3 hours ago, FlyBritishMidland said:However, did they need to be so tough, arguably not. Why did they approve our approach the first place? Did they confirm to the other 71 clubs that we were choosing to use another legal methodology and inform them they could do the same? A regulators role is to ensure equality and a fair approach across it’s industry, did they do this in a timely manner?
I agree with this, but, its also a regulators role to spot things that are going wrong in a timely manner, the EFL failed. Rumour has it the EFL sanctioned the amortisation method we were using then changed their mind when Gibson threatened to sue the EFL! They were too slow to act or we would of only had 1 seasons accounts to resubmit not 3 which compounded our issues!
3 hours ago, FlyBritishMidland said:We all know the answer to these questions and ultimately they failed as a regulator way ahead of 2019. The thing is, Gibson knew this, hence his “you go for them or I go for you ultimatum”. And Mel ruffled there feathers far too much far too often. He picked a fight from day 1. In a regulated industry you never do that. You may may not like the rules, but you don’t blame them. Comply, meet the criteria, then suggest an improvement from a position of strength. If Mel had had this approach, we may have received a slap on the wrist. In the documentary on Al-Jazzeera (?) he basically admitted the EFL didn’t like him and that is why we are where we are.
The long and short of it Morris was far too cocky for his own good, he had the upper hand up to the point that we went into Admin which handed all the cards to the EFL. Who threatened to keep us in Admin until we accepted a dam good thrashing.
Thankfully we still have a football club, that said though there needs to be an independent inquiry into the corrupt way that the EFL conducts its business. The rule book needs to be tightened up to stop loop holes being exploited by some clubs, while others are absolutely hammered.
I'm grateful that we still have a football club and cannot thank David Clowes enough for his gift to the the people of Derby, his charitable act (Saving an insolvent business), which should not be forgotten, and in my view is worthy of an OBE for services to Football and the worldwide supporters of DCFC. Lets petition our MPs to make this happen.
Thank you David, your act of kindness will never be forgotten, we should name the North Stand after you, where you used to sit!
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53 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:
Read it again. It says the ban only comes into place if not paid within 45 days. Signings can still be made during that period.
I havent doubted that it has been paid or not. I'm saying it was most likely paid in the current accounting period (essentially the 22/23 season).
Yes and immediately, this has been dealt with and as part of the takeover so as not to restrict DCFCs OPEX budget. Regardless you've pretty much agreed you don't know whether its been paid or not, so you haven't a clue. Essentially you've thrown some figures together to support a doom and gloom theory.
Merry Xmas
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1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said:
The rules say any embargo would be up to a maximum of three whole transfer windows. Our transfer window had already been open for 2 weeks, so any potential ban would have only kicked in during this upcoming January window.
The payment was most likely paid in the current accounting period.
There's a chance ice included the fee in the wrong period, but I'm most likely correct.
It's clear the debt had to be settled in full including interest NLT 4 Aug or we could not register players until such time as it was.
"Pursuant to art. 24 of the Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players if full payment (including all applicable interest) is not made within 45 days of notification of this decision, the following consequences shall apply:
1. The Respondent shall be banned from registering any new players, either nationally or internationally, up until the due amount is paid. The maximum duration the ban shall be of three entire and consecutive registration periods."
Read it again its clear that the ban is with immediate effect regardless of a transfer window being open or not, we also signed players after the 4 Aug so its been paid!
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10 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:
Its been settled, it said we had 45 days to pay the debt and could not sign any players until it was settled. So your calculations must be wrong and that's almost 3M Euros you've over calculated by.....
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On 22/12/2022 at 08:41, Ghost of Clough said:
The administrators report
Except I'm not blindly guessing. My estimates are based on the concrete figures of our club from the recent 12 month period starting September 2021 through to September 2022.
"Want us to suffer". I thought we were over the conspiracy theories now. It can never be a 'business model', because it means giving the club away to someone else. A squad stripped apart and the highly probably risk of relegation with loss of revenue ensure administration isn't worthwhile. Name a single club who have gone into administration since point deductions were introduced who say "you know what, I'm really glad we went in to administration back in XXXX".
I've never given a figure for Rotherham's compensation. I have given a grouped figure of £5m for that compensation and payments for Jozwiak and Bielik. Each of those will be close to £2.5m
My figures are wrong? I'm sure they are, but my estimates aren't usually too far off, even for other clubs I have zero interest in. How have you come to the conclusion that I'm wrong? Can you show me your calculations, because if I've missed something I'd like to correct my errors
The transfer payments are one off figures and a legacy from the old regime. There is a very strong probability this will have been considered when drafting the business plan. For example, my £7m loss after tax would result in an EBITDA very close to £0.PS. a 50% limit of wages to revenue would still be a stricter requirement than any other L1 club are operating at. The lowest in recent seasons was Forest Green with 57.5%, with Bristol Rovers as high as 155%. Plymouth and Portsmouth are 2nd and 3rd best, hovering in the 60-65% region.
Because Jozwiak was not a UK player the compo may not kick in, in the interests of fairness I hope it does or it may affect our chances of recruiting outside the UK. I think I remember reading though that the EFL rules of 100% payments didn't apply. I think there are a lot of fans still banging the negative drum about potential debts etc!
We've got a genuine local owner who cares about our amazing club, not his own self interest and profile. DC will do well by our club and building may take a little longer, it will be measured and careful. One thing is for sure, he won't be as reckless as his predecessor..
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8 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:
Go on then. Since our business plan estimate would have been based on a revenue of £17m, how much do you think we're actually spending?
The very minimum to run a club of our size is £6m. It was actually about £9m in the 12 months following us entering administration.
Then there's the transfer/compensation payments, which will be approaching £5m.
You seriously think the total club wage bill is only going to be £3m (or less)? That's not just wages, but tax, NI and pensions too.
During administration, there were severe cuts to the academy, first team staff, and backroom staff. We've already started filling those gaps...You're estimating/guessing the figures, with nothing substantial to back it up with, it's our 1st season in Lg1 and I don't think you can compare us with what other clubs actual running costs are. You're estimating/guessing salaries, did you not also mention bonus payments if we go up? I doubt the EFL will allow these payments, don't forget they will want us to suffer at least 2 seasons in the 3rd tier to show it doesn't pay to go into Admin. If we do miraculously get promoted others who've run up huge debts could see it as a business model.....
Once again the BP will not allow for huge compensation payments with Rotherham, I think you will find that those payments are much less.
Some of your figures must be wrong, your figure of £7M loss would not be accepted in a BP by the EFL, I'm sure DC will being a non-visible Chairman, I'm also sure he will be keen to settle the fans worries and show the book quicker than the Charleton...
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10 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:
Some people still don't believe we'll be running at a loss this season, so I'll show you the numbers. The cash profit/losses will be fairly similar to the accounting profit/losses, so I'll stick to the accounting losses in this example.
Revenue
Our highest recorded revenue was about £30m (most likely higher in seasons where accounts weren't actually posted though). We're now in L1, which comes with reduced TV money. We'll also see a reduction in sponsorship income (lower league = smaller captive audience, and no shirt sponsor money).
Revenue = £20m.Costs
Wage bill = £10m
Manager compensation, amortisation, profit on player sales = £5m
Other operating costs = £4m (utilities, maintenance, cleaning, policing, stewarding, etc)
Admin expenses = £8m (lowest since 14/15)
Total costs = £27mLoss = £7m
Did Liz Truss help you with these figures? There is no way on this earth the EFL are going to allow us to lose £7m under a business plan, it would be like sticking 2 fingers up to all the creditors. I think you guess er sorry calculation on both wages and Amortisation figures are massively over....
I imagine we will be close to breaking even or running at a slight profit, Clowes has said there is wiggle room in the budget, there wouldn't be if we are already predicted to have a £7m loss. I just can't see it!!!!
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From what I could see yesterday a error from Curtis cost us a point, which he has stuck his hand up to. We looked the better team in spells, although I would say the result was fair as Ipswich were the better team over the 90.
The team that finishes above them with win the league, we have a thin depleted sqaud and with injuries to contend with. Let's come back down to earth and keep our feet on the ground, I can see with a little recruitment in January us making the play-offs, considering where we were 4 months ago that would be one a hell of an achievement......
Have faith we are re-building and I feel Warne is the right man for the job!
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For what its worth, I have seen CEOs and CFOs in big corporates act in very authoritarion ways, usually one or the other calls the shots and the remainder of the Exec Directors fall into line. Those that stand out are soon replaced, to be fair, ever seen a Board appointment move on within 12 months of appointment? It happens!
Regarding Pearce, Im sure he's had a lot of sleepless nights wrestling with his conscious, but, like most of us he has a mortgage to pay.
He may also of weighed up, that he was better sticking around to explain his side of the story to a new owner, rather than disappearing a short time before the Administration announcement, no doubt also gagged with an NDA. Wouldn't be a great entry on his CV, surving admin and returning the club to the Championship or even better still the Premier League though would be!
As someone who wanted him gone, I think he deserves a second chance if DC is prepared to give him one, after all he knows where all the dead bodies are buried!
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On 26/09/2022 at 14:54, DCFC27 said:
I suspect they want rid of him, but he probably has a massive Payout if we do get rid. He’s not very well thought of within the club. It’s most likely not seen as an essential use of money to get rid of him.
Thats a big statement to make with no apparent evidence.
On 26/09/2022 at 16:20, Leeds Ram said:It's his appearances on the radio that make this take quite difficult to take particularly seriously tbh. I think he completely failed in his duty, aided in the misleading of fans as to the real nature of the situation and played a leading part in almost killing this club. But that's just my perspective having no insider knowledge on the situation.
Its obvious Mel was calling the shots and Pearce had 2 options. Leave a lucrative well paid job, or keep stum. Morris may have convinced him like he did us, that he would continue to fund the club.
On 26/09/2022 at 16:42, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said:This. If as a Chief exec he did not know that amortisation, stadium ownership, looming administration, unwinabble court cases etc... was all very dodgy/reckless/borderline - take your pick or the lot - then I and many on this forum are well qualified to do the job too. May be he's just happy to pick up a fair wedge whatever is going on
All fair points, but, a man scared of losing his livelyhood may be tempted to keep quiet, I'm pretty sure he will have been tied to an NDA too...
On 26/09/2022 at 16:44, SaffyRam said:I remember being at a fans forum when Frank was manager. Sitting there listening to Pearce and Morris assuring us there would be no issues with FFP. A couple of weeks later, we found out that Morris had bought the stadium. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Pearce on the board? He therefore must have voted in favour of everything Morris did.
Forgive me for having little sympathy for him.
The stadium sale was the way of staying within FFP, other clubs have done this too.
On 26/09/2022 at 22:12, SaffyRam said:I’m an accountant and yes, I agree the amortisation was acceptable policy.
And yes, I’m sure they did say there’d be no issue because they knew they’d sold the stadium. Does that make it ok? Absolutely not. Look at all the problems selling the stadium caused. And it was only done because they knew they were going to break FFP.
100% agree, the actions of a reckless gambler.....
23 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:Q went out of their way to praise him. DC is doing the same. Says a lot
I suspect Pearce regretted not pushing back against MM’s wilder ideas. Though if he had pushed back, he’d surely have been out on his ear.
Im sure he advised against, but was told to shut up.
12 hours ago, Stive Pesley said:Doesn't it all go back much further than the Administration fiasco?
He was CFO during the Sam Rush era
Sam Rush was then dismissed for alleged breach of fiduciary duty. Which means that either Pearce knew about it while it was happening and was therefore complicit or he didn't know about it and therefore was negligent. The fact he came out of that unscathed has always puzzled me.
Then coming out of the past 12 months - also unscathed, puzzles me even more
But I concede that I'm not ITK, nor do I have any say in these matters, so it is what it is
Fair play to him.
If I had to guess I'd say that his position and singular knowledge of the club's workings have become so entrenched over they years that Quantuma and Clowes quickly realised that they couldn't get on with their jobs without his help
He may of alerted Mel to somthing for all we kniw, yet again, it could of all been Mels bullshite, as SR took him to the ckeaners...
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7 hours ago, Jimbo Ram said:
I don’t think so, but many made the comment on here. I think he got lucky.
Mel was quite successful with online dating which is where he initially made his money, the big windfall was King (Candy Crush) though.
7 hours ago, Jimbo Ram said:We need to wait for a full statement from all parties.
I doubt you will get much from DC TBH other than he feels that PW is the right man for the club at this moment in time.
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16 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:
Could say the same about Mel.
There are big differences, DC did not give him a big contract, he's not paid a penny for a player yet either. I think to compare an honourable man to MM is poor and very unfair. He made a temporary appointment, gave LR a short run and decided he's not the right man, it's hardly the same as offering long contracts to the likes of Pearson, Cocu et al is it?
Give the man a chance to put his own stamp on the club.... After all he shelled out £53M for a club worth £35m tops to save the club. I think getting on his back this early is terrible and you should give yourself a long hard, Paddington like stare in the mirror. ?
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From Mr Giddypant RUFC Forum
I was going to post this on the Derby forum, but couldn't be arsed.
I have been supporting Rotherham since 1958. I'm devastated if this is fact, and increasingly it's looking likely. Few of you have done your homework. You share the (previously correct) impression that we are a long-ball team with limited ability to play 'proper' football.
Many of you have voiced doubts that Warney could make best use of your 'talented' team. Fear not. Warney has proved himself adept at utilising the talents of his players. His ambitions have been limited by the resources available to him, not by an ideological devotion to a 'hit and hope' philosophy.
This year we have recruited players who add to the pool of talent we had last year. Except for Warney's first year in the job we have seen a progressive development in terms of player recruitment and positive achievements on, and off, the field.
As a man manager I doubt there are few better at this level. He has personalty and wit. I love the man and what he has done for my club.
Think yourselves lucky.
Feel free to copy and paste.
PS, with any luck he'll be sacked within the year and come back 'home'.Thats sounds to me the sort of thing I'd love to hear from the Rotherham fans....
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4 minutes ago, rammieib said:
I think we lose Knight now in January now and potentially Bird.
Only if we want to let them go, have you need listened to how Warne speaks to players, he will have no problem in convincing them that they are very much part of his plans.
A penny for David Clowes’ thoughts - and what comes next?
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A DOF? FFS hell no, they always go on a collision course with the manager at some point, the Chairmen then has a difficult decision to make, sack the manager and give the DOF the role or get rid of the DOF. The answer is get a manager that is competent full stop, look at the Dogs recruiting panel, how successful has that been?