Jourdan

13 minutes ago, inter politics said:

As I said, we had all of January

Yes, we had all of January to sign a striker and no doubt we tried for the entire month to secure a deal.

But it is not straightforward. Clearly we want players who will add something to the squad and we want someone who will improve us in some way. It’s not a case of taking absolutely anyone.

Better players are usually more difficult to sign, and clubs and even players will use whatever tactic they can to get the best deal and move possible. Moves you think are close often break down because of this.

If Collins is out for any length of time, it’s just really unfortunate.

9 minutes ago, inter politics said:

Yep, it was obvious so if he is seriously injured, Warne and co have got what they deserved.

Got what they deserved?

You make it sound like Warne and the team didn’t want a striker and were happy with the outcome?

There’s a difference between what we wanted and what we got and clearly Warne had to suck it up and accept the situation for what it was.

5 hours ago, angieram said:

On the crowd noise, we were split into three sections, seated (yes 😲) on the side beneath the radio Derby commentary, then two separate standing areas behind the goal, one set slightly in front of the other.

Hence there were different chants starting in each section and not necessarily being picked up by the other areas. 

There was plenty of noise but it was a bit chaotic. 

It was very chaotic.

I find the set up at Exeter doesn’t really suit a large away following. It never feels joined up because you have people spread across two standing areas and one seating area and everyone does their own thing.

Last night you had people singing about mermaids on one side of the goal and you had people singing about darts players on the other side and lots of pockets of noise but no real togetherness.

It’s also not comfortable for all fans. The terrace is too close to the pitch and the space between rows is often too tight, making it difficult to see all areas of the pitch clearly and difficult to move around.

It was so packed yesterday that I could barely move a muscle without invading someone’s personal space, so you can only imagine how my fiancée (who is relatively new to following Derby) must have felt.

Exeter are a nice, family friendly club but they need a more modern stadium if they want to progress, absolutely.

Exeter gave a really good account of themselves. They played some nice passing football, kept us on the back foot for large spells but never capitalised at any point. They are so very evidently a young side with a lot to learn. A more streetwise team would have run us ragged tonight.

All of our added experience shone through in the end. We were calm, collected, and absolutely surgical on the counter attack. Wildsmith, Nelson, Adams, Bird, Mendez Laing, Barkhuizen and Collins all played important roles in differing ways. Mendez-Laing in particular caused all kinds of problems when we got him into areas where he can hurt the opposition.

All in all, it won’t have got the purists doing laps of their living room, but going to an in-form side on the up and full of confidence and one who had beaten Peterborough only a week prior and delivering an incredibly mature and professional away performance is honestly something Warne and the players deserve massive credit for.

3 minutes ago, Anag Ram said:

I think that’s our strongest eleven if they’re fit.

Could just as easily be 4-4-2.

Would Warne be brave enough?

🤞

I think in ordinary circumstances he might. At the moment, it feels like he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.

We are in a tight race for top 2 and dropped points of any kind aren’t well received and could be difference making.

I would like to see him go for it and be adventurous but I do suspect given Exeter’s form and what’s at stake, we might see a safety first approach.

Depending on injuries and fitness:

Wildsmith

Nyambe Nelson Cashin

Wilson Adams Bird Elder

NML Collins CBT

If we are going to persist with three at the back, I prefer a 3-4-3 to give us more threat and more spark.

3-5-2 can work, but it tends to be a more cautious version when we adopt it.

11 minutes ago, i-Ram said:

Enjoy the game Jourdan. I hope to read on here later that we played the Grecians off the park with some liquid football.  Up the Rams!

Thanks, @i-Ram. Tonight could be the night.

Enjoy your evening. M&S do a cracking houmous with caramelised onion. Their chilli and manchego cheese crisps are lovely too.

Perfect for a night behind the sofa.

On the train from Plymouth to Exeter for work.

The weather is pretty wet. Apparently there is a weather warning in place for the whole of the South West, so safe journey to everyone travelling.

Hopefully it won’t affect the game being on.

17 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

I hadn't realized marinakis had a place down there.......🤔

I don’t know why they chose this name, but it’s a really highly rated place, one of the most popular in Exeter.

8 minutes ago, DCFC Kicks said:

Doesn't that sentence contradict itself? The answer is because those teams aren't that good, and supports the point that the league isn't strong.

Once again, what does that even mean? More waffle. Why don't you actually express an opinion for once?

Because its almost unprecedented. Two even having points deductions. Its basically removing three strong rivals before the seasons started. Why can't you concede its a rare advantage to Derby.

There's also examples of teams who have gone straight back up. We're a bigger club than the examples you gave, except Wednesday and Sunderland, and they were both still in the middle of their difficulties while in L1.

Why put us down so much? I know you're going to say we have to deal with where we are, and the reality is we're a L1 club at the moment. But comparing us to Charlton? come on.  

Bolton, Barnsley, and Peterborough all finished last season above us and they are all in contention again this season. They are good teams. They are the benchmark for us this season. We knew that if we wanted to get promoted, it’s these teams we would have to outperform.

There is no contradiction. I am saying they are good teams in a competitive league. If the league wasn’t competitive, these teams and indeed ourselves would be dropping points far less frequently.

More waffle? I’ll put be putting Brussels out of business at this rate. I express my opinions plenty, if you disagree with them or can’t comprehend them, that’s fine.

How much of an advantage have we had with Wigan and Reading being in financial difficulties and having points deductions really? Reading and Wigan have beaten us this season. Reading have pipped us to transfer targets. Surely it’s the likes of Portsmouth, Oxford, Blackpool and Stevenage who have profited from this?

31 minutes ago, Foreveram said:

I’ve done the Ship, Turks, Turtle bay, back to the Ship, back to the hotel, espresso martinis, some other random cocktails, back on the beer now. # football away days 😂

Don’t worry, my fiancée is a nurse.

22 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said:

Ipswich and Plymouth both looked considerably better than us in our matches last season even if the results were close. 

Wednesday didn’t but they were proper flat track bullies and beat who they should have been beating. 

Considerably better? I watched four of the six games and I have to say we were competitive against all three sides.

Plymouth away, we were the better side for 55-60 minutes and should have taken our chances to put the game to bed. Barkhuizen couldn’t score with a point blank range header and the game turned. Plymouth caught us in the break and got a very fortunate penalty.

Wednesday away, we were the better side until Davies’ mistake and even with 10 men, we kept Wednesday honest and created some good openings. Bird had a glorious chance to level it.

Wednesday at home, it was a drab game and both teams very much cancelled each other out. Of the few chances, we had the best of them.

Ipswich away, our approach was not pretty yes but it was a reasonable plan to contain and frustrate Ipswich and it would have worked if we hadn’t made such an unforgivable mistake in defence, another one by Davies as I remember.

This idea that they were levels above in quality, I don’t get. Consistency and ability to hold their nerve, yes. But actual quality? It’s closer than people say.

35 minutes ago, Ram-Alf said:

Finances at a guess, Better players, Keeping hold of the 22k plus ST holders, If promoted we'll get circa £8 million in TV revenue, We'll need at least 12+ more players at a higher wage cost, Transfer fees + agents fees, The ticket prices will rise as the product in theory will rise, I believe we are losing a considerable amount of loot in League 1, I think Clowes will need some form of financial backing...ie some rich "sugar daddy" to come on board😬

Coming out of embargo and the game starts again with a clean slate, May be Stephen Pierce is already scouting for the next multi millionaire who has millions to flush down the toilet 😉

I am not saying it will be easy but surely Clowes came into this knowing that he would need to finance a tilt at staying in the Championship at some point?

Surely by bringing in people like Hale to improve the academy infrastructure over time and Thomas to improve recruitment over time, this is part of his efforts to make it more viable that we can stay in the Championship initially?

Surely by spending £3-400,000 on Blackett Taylor and spending to secure the likes of Cashin, Nyambe and NML on longer term contracts, he is showing commitment to the cause?

Ipswich and Sunderland competing for promotion in 2023 and 2024 surely gives us inspiration. Plymouth being 15th and comfortably clear of the bottom three surely gives us realistic hope.

Coventry coming back from similar financial turmoil and stabilising in the Championship and trusting Mark Robins to grow and evolve as a coach in a similar way that Warne will have to surely gives us even more hope?

The Coventry model could be one we very well emulate…

11 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

You think we're as good as we were last season, I don't. Just my opinion obvs 👍.

I think if we get promoted in 15 games’ time and finish above one or more of Bolton, Barnsley and Peterborough, then we’ll be better.

38 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Stevenage were playing in L2 last season and are now 6th, equal to their highest ever finsoh in English football! Leyton Orient also promoted and are 9th. 

If a side can go from L2 to 6th, it shouldn't take much for a side to improve on a 7th place finish last season.

Do teams never get promoted and overachieve the following season?

Is such a phenomenon exclusive to League 1?

Didn’t Sheffield United and Wolves not long ago finish in the top half of the PL following promotion?

If it’s possible in the PL, why should we be surprised to see it in League 1 where the margins are much finer?

5 hours ago, Birdyabroad said:

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I am sorry but how is us possibly getting promoted to the Championship under Warne in any way comparable to us getting promoted to the PL the previous time over 15 years ago?

In 2008, the board and the manager were reportedly at odds and the board were seemingly unwilling to invest in summer 2008 to improve the team sufficiently. We couldn’t compete with the other promoted sides never mind the 17 others. The step up to the PL was huge back then. Is the step up to the Championship really anywhere close to that?

Consider that Clowes appears to be nothing but in full support of Warne and consider that once the restrictions are lifted and with the additional revenue streams to follow from promotion, we’d be able to compete financially with anyone else who gets promoted and probably around 6-10 other Championship clubs as a fair estimate. Surely that’s a far better place to be in?

What’s there to stop us from improving and adapting to the Championship well? Not only footballing sides do it. Luton and Coventry did it. In fact, if you look at Wigan, Barnsley, Peterborough and Blackpool as recent reoccurrences, it’s footballing sides who more often tend to go back where they came from.

This fearmongering is outrageous. 

24 minutes ago, Andicis said:

The reason Bolton, Barnsley and Peterborough aren't running away with it, because they are also poor. Hence why people like myself call the league poor. 

Do you genuinely believe that the league is as good this year? 

 

I watched Ipswich, Plymouth and Wednesday against us last season and I didn’t feel they were massively ahead of us in terms of quality, but granted I missed Ipswich at home at a time when they were really motoring.

All of the games I saw were tight and decided on fine margins. Better they were, but not by much. I think where all three teams were better than us was at maintaining their consistency levels and being able to finish strongly.

Is this year as good? It’s impossible to objectively quantify and everyone’s opinion will be different. Personally I think it’s at the same level in terms of difficulty and competitiveness and if you look back to the same time last season, the table is trending in a similar way.

3 hours ago, DCFC Kicks said:

What does that even mean? It just sound like meaningless corporate waffle. 

When was the last time all three relegated Championship teams weren't challenging for promotion the following season?

Meaningless corporate waffle? Sure, yes, I report back to Stephen Pearce every evening. 

The point being discussed was that we are only where we are because the league is poor. If that was true, why aren’t Bolton, Barnsley and Peterborough taking advantage and running away with the league?

What makes a league strong or weak, much like what makes a football team good to watch, is purely subjective.

It was 2014-15 the last time none of the relegated teams competed for promotion or play-offs. What is the relevance?

This season, only Blackpool have an outside chance of promotion through the play offs. Maybe I am looking at it the wrong way but that just lines up with the thinking that this is not a straightforward league to get out of.

There are countless other examples of relegated teams (Bolton, Ipswich, Wednesday, Charlton, Sunderland) who have not adjusted to League 1 so easily and there are teams that have taken years to rebuild and get out of the league. Some are still stuck here.

But yes, please continue downplaying the quality and competition levels in the league if you must. It won’t stop the champagne flowing when we go up.

FYI for anyone in and around Exeter today and tomorrow:

Good pubs

Ship Inn, Turk’s Head, White Hart, Old Firehouse, Mill on the Exe, Prospect Inn on the Quay

Good cafes

Exploding Bakery, Zuki’s, Tiny Tasting Room, Chococo, Grow Coffee House, Eat on the Green

Good fast food

Hubbox for burgers, Red Panda for Asian food, Hook for fish and chips, Eat the Bird for fried chicken

Good restaurants

The Ivy

Already spotted a few Rams in Exeter by the train station!

Looking forward to tomorrow! Wishing everyone a safe journey.

@S75 Ram and @Foreveram, any advice needed, just let me know!

3 minutes ago, DRBee said:

No-one wants to give Warne credit - just garbage. Like the vast majority I was well pleased with the post -Stevenage improvement. But by focussing on points scored you can skate over the fact that the original  faults have been evident in quite a few games we have won and have not gone away. Faults like our excess caution , the predictability that comes from the repeated playing down the wings and limitations of playing one up front most of the time remain and are down to the manager. Not sure if you go to games but it’s depressing to travel a long way to the match only for us limply to concede an equaliser in the closing minutes, which has happened quite a few times recently. I think our squad is good but Our defence has a good record but these late goals are often conceded after substitutions supposed to enable us to see out the game.

Only garbage, in your opinion. We win games and people still want to drag Warne and the players over the coals.

Are you still not pleased? We’ve gone from being 15 points off top to now potentially as little as three points if we win our game in hand. 

Which team at League 1 level will be without its faults or weaknesses? None. The key is finding a way to ensure your weaknesses are not regularly taken advantage of.

We have lost two in 17, compared with five in 14 earlier in the season. We have won 12, compared with just 6 in that same earlier spell. So clearly while we are not perfect, we are doing something right in that regard.

I go to as many games as I can. I watch as many games as I can. I’ll be there on Tuesday, for instance. I don’t feel depressed by the prospect. We might play badly and win. We might play well and lose. We might play badly and lose. We might play well and win. I couldn’t call it. It comes with the territory of supporting a team currently in League 1 and their typical limitations.

You say it’s depressing. Would you be happier being in Peterborough’s position, losing their grip on their place in the automatic promotion race? Playing better football but losing 5-2 to struggling Wycombe?

54 minutes ago, Andicis said:

It's relevant when appraising the team and the manager. I sincerely do not believe we've gotten better since last season, I just think the competition is worse. As a result, I find that concerning because on that basis we haven't made progress. Which leads me then to question why that is. 

The eye test shows we've been poor. We can all look at the league table and stick our fingers in our ears and pretend that everything is brilliant, but it isn't is it? The football we play is largely rancid, and only by the virtue of being less shocking then these other crap teams we come up against, we pick up points. 

It's not about being especially good to get promoted against better teams, it's that I want long term success for this club. In the short term, we may well get promoted. I have a horrible feeling about what will happen if we do though. I don't think we're close to good enough to playing in the league above. I want long term, sustainable success for the club. And yes it has to start somewhere, but I actually don't think we're going in the right direction for that. It's a genuine concern.

A lot of this is unfounded though. You may have a horrible feeling about going up this season, but what actually happens when we do could be drastically different.

There is no real rhyme or reason to what makes a club more likely to succeed in the Championship upon promotion, let’s be honest. Three teams go up and have the summer to lay the best possible groundwork. Some teams fight relegation, some teams stabilise and then some teams somehow find themselves battling for promotion. There are very rarely tell tale signs from the season before.

Why is it Ipswich are in the promotion places this season - why have they adapted so much better than Wednesday and Plymouth who were separated by five points the previous year?

Why is it Sunderland went from scraping their way up in the play-offs in League 1 in 2022 to finishing in the Championship top six in 2023?

Why is it Luton and Coventry were able to stabilise themselves in the Championship and then challenge for promotion (and in Luton’s case actually get promoted) where other clubs didn’t?

We all want long-term success for the club but it starts with short term success and taking an opportunity and not looking back. There is no perfect timing. We could sack Warne tomorrow, appoint a different manager, spend two years building the team in the fans’ vision and still go straight back down.

We’ll never get anywhere if we are paralysed by the fear of what might be ahead. If we go up this season, we have to grab the opportunity with both hands and see where it takes us.

Exeter 1-2 Derby

Collins

@Andicis it’s not just you, but you are the most recent culprit. 

I don’t get this constant need to discredit the league and the teams within in it. It’s league football and each league every season is tough in its own way. A new season brings change, new opportunities, new variables and also new challenges.

You take it for what it is, surely? 46 games. 3 points for a win. You don’t get an extra special trophy for getting promoted one year over the other, do you?

Shall we forget the open top bus parade, the medals, and the ticker tape because we are playing Blackpool, Reading, Northampton and Orient rather than Ipswich, Wednesday, Morecambe and Forest Green?

Or shall we bow out of the promotion race altogether and wait to test ourselves against the might of QPR, Rotherham, Wednesday and Stockport? 

Eye test this, eye test that. The eye test will show some good and some bad, of course it will. We are currently League 1 level and everything points to that. Ultimately we are a work in progress. You may want to ignore it, you may want to qualify it, but there is progress nevertheless.

Look at this season itself. We’ve gone from getting 21 points from 14 games earlier in the season and looking barely like a top half team, compared to 39 points from 17 games most recently and now being amongst the main contenders for promotion.

Everyone wants to focus on the fact we are not Man City Lite. Everyone wants us to be more like Peterborough and Oxford (who are stuttering and seemingly slipping out of contention might I add).

No-one wants to give Warne and the players credit for finding the belief, character, and consistency to turn the season around and no-one wants to give Warne and the players any credit for showing even more character and toughness to dig in and continue getting results to keep us in the hunt while those much-fabled footballing sides begin to fade.

Yesterday could still be a very important point.

Judging by the reaction to this result, I think I’ll be all alone in the away end on Tuesday.

It’s disappointing to drop two points, but as we have seen that’s the norm for sides in our position. Why some people think we should be above it is beyond me.

Some people just fail to take any kind of perspective from the game. Look at the outpouring of anger after a draw. Can you imagine the reaction if we were getting hammered at home by Orient like Pompey were a few short weeks ago? Or getting whipped by Wycombe and conceding five like Peterborough today? I dread to think what it would be like if that was us.

Every game is a potential trip hazard at this stage and teams will do their very best to disrupt us which it sounds like Shrewsbury did very well, similar to Cheltenham before them.

Every team in the run in will look to do the same. Exeter on Tuesday will look to do a job on us too and it will be another tricky game to negotiate. We will do well to win.

Every team in the mix will have games where they contrive to take a poor result from a winnable game. This time it was us. We have 15 games to play and there will be highs and lows, twists and turns, good performances and bad, good results and bad, but we have to stick by the team.