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8 minutes ago, TomTom92 said:

Because we’re in a 4 horse race this season and next season it’ll be a 10 horse race.

Theres being positive and then theres being blind. 
  
So if Collins gets injured you think the predicament we’re in is acceptable?

Blind to what?

We want to improve the squad but all the indicators point to it not being easy or straightforward at this time.

If Collins gets injured, it will be a great shame and a huge blow. But we can only wait and see how things develop. You are panicking about a situation that might not even arise.

At the end of the day, can the club really win? Sign no-one and people complain, sign someone and they don’t quite click and people complain, sign someone and they get injured and people complain, sign someone and they don’t become our best and most productive player inside 180 minutes and people complain.

The sooner the summer is here, the better.

10 minutes ago, vonwright said:

You recently told me I couldn't possibly presume that players like Bradley and Ward are on good money, because I haven't seen their contracts.

Yet you seem to be very certain about the limits of our budget and terms of our restrictions. 

What is the evidence that Bradley and Ward are on good money?

There is enough evidence out there to suggest that the budget / restrictions are prohibitive, or did you miss where we were priced out of moves for two back-up strikers from a struggling Championship club and all the other indicators?

2 minutes ago, May Contain Nuts said:

Are you seriously suggesting our business plan makes us less able to bring in players than Carlisle and Burton?

 

In a time-sensitive situation, absolutely. In ordinary circumstances, absolutely not.

2 minutes ago, TomTom92 said:

There’s no excuses chief. 
 
A club with our budget and expectations set by the manager himself shouldn’t be going in to the run in with 1 striker. If Collins gets injured on sat are we just supposed to shrug our shoulders and ruffle Pearce’s hair. “Don’t worry lad our seasons over, but you did have restrictions to adhered to”.

Why is it an excuse?

Transfer plans sometimes come together and sometimes fall apart. There are failed transfers in every single window. Why get so worked up about this particular one?

If we have a business plan that we have to follow rigidly and stick to, then it’s an obvious factor in why other clubs can complete deals more smoothly and why it is more problematic for us.

The power is with the EFL and the conditions they have put in place and the clubs who will try to take advantage of such a situation.

14 minutes ago, WestLondonRam said:

To what??  

It will help the club financially, which is still an important consideration to make whether people like it or not.

And perhaps we’ll have more muscle when the transfer window comes around again in the summer.

1 minute ago, TomTom92 said:

Put a deal sheet in and tell Bristol to hurry up. Or tell them to hurry up at 5 and threaten to cancel the deal if they don’t seal it pronto. 
 
Plus we had a whole month to address this issue. 
 
No way should we be going in to the run in with 1 fit striker. I’m sorry even Burton and Carlisle have signed a striker. Dreadful.

Are Burton and Carlisle working under EFL business plans?

Did their outgoings (i.e. Moxon to Portsmouth) get completed today?

Why do you think Championship clubs like Bristol City and Wednesday are going to act in anything other than their own interests?

It doesn’t matter if you have a day or a month, it won’t stop clubs from trying to get deals that benefit them.

3 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

They probably should have sorted it out a while ago by giving him a deadline to accept or be sold then.  

Obviously the club wanted to keep Max, hence why he is still here on loan.

It was probably in Bristol City’s interest to prolong negotiations and wear us down to make a deal.

The money will still make a difference.

1 minute ago, TomTom92 said:

Everyone knew the score by 5 o’clock. 
 
Fair play if you want to stay positive but it’s a disgrace not to land a striker at all. There was me thinking Gregory was poor. 
 
Genuinely flabbergasted. Alright though because Wash is back soon.

Yes, but surely if we are under restrictions and have to sell first to bring players in, then any incoming movement is dependent on any outgoing deal being completed first?

Maybe if Bristol City had acted sooner, we might have seen the trickle down effect.

Disappointing? Maybe. A disgrace? Not when we are the mercy of the EFL (and other clubs know this!) who have to ratify deals first and foremost and it’s not something they will do on an if, but or a maybe.

5 minutes ago, TomTom92 said:

Livid. Genuinely no excuse once the Bird money came in. 
 
Pearce, Thomas and Warne are all useless.

The deal was announced by the club at 11:40 pm, which suggests that it wasn’t done particularly quickly and probably not with enough time to secure any targets.

1 minute ago, IslandExile said:

Ok, apologies for misunderstanding.

I'm emotionally distraught at the moment.

No need to apologise. It’s a testing time for the club and the fanbase.

I think we just have to wait and see how the next few weeks go.

If Adams improves the midfield and Blackett Taylor finds his feet and we start to win and build momentum again, this will be forgotten about.

Just now, IslandExile said:

So after last season's failure, the Warne fans - fairly reasonably - said judge him after this season. Now they're already starting to ask for next season aswell.

I am talking about the players that have been signed…

I am pretty sure Warne is walking a tightrope. The next 17+ games will be make or break for his future at the club.

Clowes might see fit to twist if we don’t have an encouraging end to the season.

3 minutes ago, Barney1991 said:

Judging by the summer just gone and the fact it was spouted we blew all our budget on to think probably only 3 of the 13 signings have been a success I don’t have a lot of faith in the recruitment team, warne or Pearce to have a productive one with over 10 players out of contract 

How do you come to the conclusion only three signings have been a success?

Is the season over? Does a player only have two-thirds of a season to show what they can do?

Let’s see how the rest of the season pans out and perhaps let’s see which players come to the fore over the next few months and even next season before we throw around the idea of failure.

3 minutes ago, IslandExile said:

In league one for the third season running 😔

Let’s see what happens. 17 games to go, 51 points to play for.

4 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

For what it's worth I think the reason we are all so racked off is that Warne has been going on about adding a striker for weeks, and the club have done a crap job about being explicit with any restrictions we may or may not be working within.

The perception will be that the club has over promised and under delivered and it looks like we'll be limping home this season having apparently learned nothing from last season.

I think it was pretty obvious from the way the CBT deal was concluded and structured, things are not straightforward and transfer activity would be scarce.

Hopefully the summer will bring more productive times.

Personally, I am not surprised. The closer you get to the deadline, the more desperate it all becomes and you have to wonder if it’s worth the trouble.

It’s much better to regroup and plan for the summer. Now we can lay some groundwork and hopefully the summer business will be more joined up and measured.

The only misstep we’ve made in my eyes is banking on John Jules staying fit. That’s the regrettable thing when it was clear just how much a gamble it was.

There is still plenty to be intrigued about. CBT and Adams are interesting signings who promise a lot. We just have to hope Collins stays fit and Waghorn and Washington are getting closer to fitness.

Money is obviously under wraps until the restrictions are lifted and I struggle to see what we can do when selling clubs hold all the cards. We don’t have the financial flexibility currently of teams like Bolton, Portsmouth, Charlton and Blackpool.

This is another gamble, another risk similar to Embleton, John Jules and a few others.

I guess we have to accept this is the market we are shopping in at the moment. We don’t have the financial freedom to sign the likes of Moxon and Brannagan. We have to take risks on out of favour players.

Let’s hope it works out and Adams impresses and adds some much needed dynamism, aggression and balance to our midfield.

Perhaps it’s a try before you buy kind of deal, as he seems to have one year left on his Cardiff deal.

Hopefully it’s a better January loan than White was.🤞

Just now, S8TY said:

Disagree , why not build a team that needs tweaks rather than an overhaul next season 

How many sides in League 1 have the luxury (be it time or money) to build a Championship ready side?

It took Ipswich several years of building and at great expense.

Look at the market we are shopping in at the moment by comparison. It’s very different.

We might be able to attract players who have Championship experience but they are stepping down into League 1 for a good reason.

In our current state, we are not likely to attract many players who we can say we are confident about their ability to transition to Championship football.

We’ll probably look to add some extra quality in every area of the squad.

1 hour ago, S8TY said:

yes in L1 with a new manager if we don't get a couple in ...its football and we need players  in as Warne has said himself 

Let’s see what happens, but I think we have to be prepared for the reality of our limited finances.

8 hours ago, Chris_Martin said:

yes, it was somewhat fortunate though, we should have conceded at least 4 or 5.

If the tactics were in place that our players were comfortable on the ball, they wouldnt panic as much and make anywhere near as many defensive lapses. 

Adding more players to the squad isn't going to change the gameplan or how play.

No, as warne only seems to have one way of playing. Evidence being his entire managerial career up till now.

Trying to change the way we play when we're already in the championship is too late. We should be working towards that now. 

Warne doesn’t have just one way of playing. We played some lovely football during the 15-game run last season, however that was heavily dependent on McGoldrick and Knight bringing balance to the team.

Having not been able to replace those two sufficiently, we have had to try another approach.

I think hopefully things will be easier when the restrictions are lifted and we have more flexibility in the market. Bringing better players into the fold can and will evidently make a difference. A player with the quality of a McGoldrick can bind a team together.

It’s very easy to say we should be working towards a sustainable place in the Championship now. However the phrase trying to run before we can walk would spring to mind.

8 hours ago, Chris_Martin said:

Don't you think part of the reason for that is the fact he's dropped down to play in league one, and we have probably the best squad of players in the league playing with him every week?

He was in League 1 the year before he arrived at Derby. Wednesday obviously couldn’t get the best out of him where Rosenior and Warne across two seasons have.

You keep going with that ‘best squad of players in the league’ narrative…hopefully in 17 games’ time it will be true. However we look to be safely in the chasing pack at the moment.

Just now, inter politics said:

They could also quite easily lose against Barnsley and there are 17 games to go...

True, that is one positive to take.

1 minute ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Get some out on loan to bring a couple in .  There must be enough pissed millionaires getting splinters here on a regular basis.  They've had bloody weeks. 

I suppose where that plan falls down is players have to generate interest and also have to be willing to go.

I think we could do with 1-2 more like everyone else, but I don’t agree with signings for the sake of it.

We might just have to go with what we have and see if and how the injuries ease up.

I think we have an outside chance of automatic promotion as we are looking a comfortable 4th at the moment, so I would imagine there’ll be little to no movement tomorrow.

People demanding we push the boat out on signings when the budget is very limited or reliant on outgoings perhaps signals how we got into this mess in the first place.

Personally I would love to see a new midfielder and a new striker. It would bring excitement and breathe life into the campaign. However this is on a backdrop of decreasing confidence in the recruitment team to deliver.

It seems better to me to wait until the summer when the restrictions will be lifted and we can hopefully make more measured deals than last minute panic signings.

Bolton and Peterborough now have a chance to pull significantly clear of us and Pompey.

Peterborough could move three points clear of us and two points clear of Pompey.

Bolton could be a whopping four points further ahead of that when all said and done.

I wonder whether they view the games in hand as a blessing or a curse.

You would have to say they are in the driving seat based on that but perhaps having us and Pompey in the rear view mirror might create some pressure.

All in all, you would have to say we have an outside chance of the autos now having to overhaul two from three teams to get there.

29 minutes ago, S8TY said:

Exactly this …why doesn’t anyone seem to recognise that we brought in so many duds in the summer when we are supposedly potless so every signing would be crucial don’t waste it on players that when fit still don’t get selected …so we end up with Ward RWB - not needed Elder - LWB - not needed there’s two places we could’ve spent more wisely players bought for a for a system that doesn’t work did we really need Vickers ? Not the players fault they don’t fit Ward must be thinking why was I signed ? Does Clowes now think he’s wasted a lot of his budget on non starters ? I would 

have a plan of how you want us to play with a couple of different formations get those players to play that who suit then get cover for those positions utilising the youth in academy when required 

People often suggested that during the run-in last season, we lost our way because we had a small squad that burnt out.

I think the thinking was that signing the likes of Vickers, Elder, Bradley, Ward, Washington and Waghorn would improve our depth and give us more options towards the end of the season.

It’s just unfortunate that four of them have spent significant time out with injuries and not had the desired impact.

The ones where the recruitment should be questioned is gambling on John Jules and Embleton who were both very clearly big risks in terms of picking up future injuries and swallowing up resources.