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[GboroRam]

10 minutes ago, Boycie said:

I agree, I can’t have wheat in my beers or lagers.  But some of the Belgium stuff does contain it.

Or some Tyskie! 

Even Tyskie fails to deliver what it used to. Everything tastes that bit weaker as recipes are tweaked, abv falls a bit as the company saves a hapence per beer. Multiply by the millions of cans sold per year, it works out a fair amount of money. But they push the envelope until the product is a shadow of its former self. But the suits are happy, which is the main thing. 

[Srg]

13 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

Even Tyskie fails to deliver what it used to. Everything tastes that bit weaker as recipes are tweaked, abv falls a bit as the company saves a hapence per beer. Multiply by the millions of cans sold per year, it works out a fair amount of money. But they push the envelope until the product is a shadow of its former self. But the suits are happy, which is the main thing. 

It’s a duty thing that the Government taxes higher ABV more. More and more comes in at 3.8% or even lower just to make the same margin they were before. 

[ariotofmyown]

I'm not a big fan of lagers but have recently enjoyed Moretti with Sea Salt and also Estrella Galcia.

 

[Stive Pesley]

18 hours ago, Boycie said:

I can’t have wheat in my beers or lagers.  But some of the Belgium stuff does contain it.

Annoyingly (for you) - an awful lot of craft beer is gluten free but doesn't have the official stamp, because you have to pay for each batch to be tested and signed-off as gluten free before you can advertise it as such. Hence a lot of smaller breweries tend to only have one or two "official" gluten free beers, whereas in reality you'd be fine with most of their beer. 

[Crewton]

14 hours ago, ariotofmyown said:

I'm not a big fan of lagers but have recently enjoyed Moretti with Sea Salt and also Estrella Galcia.

 

Me neither, but Estrella Galicia has something about it.

[Stive Pesley]

1 hour ago, Crewton said:

Estrella Galicia has something about it.

Yeah - it's very nice. And crucially is actually brewed in Spain and exported to the UK. It's not one of these huge BrewCo made-up/co-opted brands that they brew here but try and make out that it's from somewhere exotic

[Grumpy Git]

5 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

Yeah - it's very nice. And crucially is actually brewed in Spain and exported to the UK. It's not one of these huge BrewCo made-up/co-opted brands that they brew here but try and make out that it's from somewhere exotic

You mean Fosters isn't actually brewed in Australia? 😢

[Stive Pesley]

31 minutes ago, Grumpy Git said:

You mean Fosters isn't actually brewed in Australia? 😢

It was if you drank it before 1981!

[Boycie]

2 hours ago, Stive Pesley said:

Annoyingly (for you) - an awful lot of craft beer is gluten free but doesn't have the official stamp, because you have to pay for each batch to be tested and signed-off as gluten free before you can advertise it as such. Hence a lot of smaller breweries tend to only have one or two "official" gluten free beers, whereas in reality you'd be fine with most of their beer. 

Yes, my local brewer Shiny uses the Clearex additive and told me the same as you.  But fortunately for me it’s just the wheat not the Barley that affects me.  Unless you can quickly find a supermarket online that seals bottles or tins of the brew you’re looking to buy at a bar and check the ingredients, not many sellers know if it has wheat in it or not. 
 

It’s less Russian, more Rustyhole Roulette I have to play most time.  Every so often I luck out. 💨💩

[Grumpy Git]

26 minutes ago, Boycie said:

It’s less Russian, more Rustyhole Roulette I have to play most time.  Every so often I luck out. 💨💩

Count yourself lucky that they add flavour with hops and not rhubarb!

[Day]

59 minutes ago, Boycie said:

Yes, my local brewer Shiny uses the Clearex additive and told me the same as you.  But fortunately for me it’s just the wheat not the Barley that affects me.  Unless you can quickly find a supermarket online that seals bottles or tins of the brew you’re looking to buy at a bar and check the ingredients, not many sellers know if it has wheat in it or not. 
 

It’s less Russian, more Rustyhole Roulette I have to play most time.  Every so often I luck out. 💨💩

Here's my way around it, when I drink I drink enough to give me the squirty rear end, so what will be will be. Squirtier it is, the quicker it exits. Just don't book any morning jobs after a session.

[Boycie]

4 hours ago, Day said:

Here's my way around it, when I drink I drink enough to give me the squirty rear end, so what will be will be. Squirtier it is, the quicker it exits. Just don't book any morning jobs after a session.

Here’s the thing. You shouldn’t get the squirts even if you drink excessively, thats the gluten.  

Actually, if you’re drinking that amount what does taste have to do with it? Sounds like quantity and effect to me?  I bet after 3 if someone put another lager in a Madri glass on a night out you’d never notice.
Then at the end of the night you have a cheeky take out that has wheat in it as you think “in for a pound”  then you feel like s**** and ache like a bitch, get bloated and in foul mood for about 5 days.  Then you rinse and repeat.

If you squirt after drinking non wheat lager then I think you’re full gluten intolerant to be honest.

Fair play to you, but I couldn’t live permanently feeling like I do after I have wheat just because a lager tastes a bit better.

I think that I can’t appreciate that Madri tastes better as I’ve never tried it because of what’s in it. So I guess I’ll only ever have a favourite non wheat lager.

Now go to bed and think about what I’ve said! I’m not angry….just disappointed.

[Eddie]

On 08/05/2024 at 17:34, GboroRam said:

Well, what can I say? 

The Germans decided that proper beer should only contain hops, malted barley, and water. And they did a pretty decent job of it. 

So, ingredients aren't a massive issue. Water profiles can be changed by adding minerals. Hops have different flavours and can be used in different quantities. Malt can be 2 row or 6 row breeds, can be roasted for different flavours, and used in different quantities to add depth and mouthfeel. Some heretics throw some extra ingredients in, partly for taste and sometimes for wacky factor. I'm looking at you, mushy pea mild. 

But the one thing that the Germans forgot is in all their beer, is yeast. And this is the biggest game changer. Yeast makes beer. Brewers make wort (the sugary liquid that yeast turns to alcohol). 

Unfortunately my pocket won't stretch to it regularly, but the difference in quality from the little Belgian beers in the supermarket shows the Madris, the Morettis, the Stellas and the Budweisers for what they are - mass produced products designed to maximise profit by efficient use of materials to make a product that the masses can't take much offense at. 

Incidentally, when the Reinheitsgebot was drafted, yeast was very much an unknown . Brewers used to stir the wort using a wooden paddle, which may (or may not) have contained traces of yeast from the previous brew (difficult to wash out of wood). Atmospheric yeasts plus the 'bloom' on unroasted grain would also have contained yeast. It's why brewing was such a hit and miss affair, and why even now, if it's not right, it's very very wrong.

Edited May 9 by Eddie

[Day]

2 hours ago, Boycie said:

Here’s the thing. You shouldn’t get the squirts even if you drink excessively, thats the gluten.  

Actually, if you’re drinking that amount what does taste have to do with it? Sounds like quantity and effect to me?  I bet after 3 if someone put another lager in a Madri glass on a night out you’d never notice.
Then at the end of the night you have a cheeky take out that has wheat in it as you think “in for a pound”  then you feel like s**** and ache like a bitch, get bloated and in foul mood for about 5 days.  Then you rinse and repeat.

If you squirt after drinking non wheat lager then I think you’re full gluten intolerant to be honest.

Fair play to you, but I couldn’t live permanently feeling like I do after I have wheat just because a lager tastes a bit better.

I think that I can’t appreciate that Madri tastes better as I’ve never tried it because of what’s in it. So I guess I’ll only ever have a favourite non wheat lager.

Now go to bed and think about what I’ve said! I’m not angry….just disappointed.

4 Madri’s in the tank tonight, be at work 8.45am tomorrow, find it pretty tolerable, just gotta go through the trial and error stage.

I know Coors for me is pure laxative.

[ariotofmyown]

Sainsburys had 3x660ml of Estrella Galcia for 6 quid today.

 

[DarkFruitsRam7]

 

[AndyinLiverpool]

1 minute ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

 

Holy crap, that looks an awful place

[DarkFruitsRam7]

9 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

Holy crap, that looks an awful place

Nothing wrong with a double dose of Burton.

[uttoxram75]

Drink Bass or Pedigree and go home when you've had enough.

[DarkFruitsRam7]

4 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

Drink Bass or Pedigree and go home when you've had enough.

And @Day says Burton doesn't have culture. What a place.