Saving on wages and increased revenue

[Poynton ram]

Whilst I appreciate we don’t know the retained list yet with so many players out of contract we ought to have a reasonable kitty to fund a rebuild. I am sure it has been reported that Hourihane is on 12k PW and he’s leaving. If we do go up how much extra tv revenue is there in the EFL? Off topic I have seen some bookies offering 100/1 on Bolton finishing second and 1000/1 on Peterborough finishing second- tasty odds

[Simmo’s left foot]

Our turnover will increase from circa £20 million to a little over £30 million or thereabouts.

[sage]

I would imagine Waghorn will be released and probably Smith.

Decisions to make on Tommo, Sibley, Wildsmith, Fozzy, Collins and Barkhuizen.

 

[Carl Sagan]

31 minutes ago, Poynton ram said:

Whilst I appreciate we don’t know the retained list yet with so many players out of contract we ought to have a reasonable kitty to fund a rebuild. I am sure it has been reported that Hourihane is on 12k PW and he’s leaving. If we do go up how much extra tv revenue is there in the EFL? Off topic I have seen some bookies offering 100/1 on Bolton finishing second and 1000/1 on Peterborough finishing second- tasty odds

Thanks for the "off topic". At those odds (which proved correct), madness not to have a small insurance bet. I'm much more confident now we'll finish second and I'll not get a few grand.

[S6 boy]

2 hours ago, Poynton ram said:

Whilst I appreciate we don’t know the retained list yet with so many players out of contract we ought to have a reasonable kitty to fund a rebuild. I am sure it has been reported that Hourihane is on 12k PW and he’s leaving. If we do go up how much extra tv revenue is there in the EFL? Off topic I have seen some bookies offering 100/1 on Bolton finishing second and 1000/1 on Peterborough finishing second- tasty odds

Betfred are offering me 150/1 for Lincoln to finish in the top 2. Generous of them. 🤣.  Bolton 66/1. Nothing for Posh.  I think the algorithm needs a kick up the bum.

[Chesterfield_Ram]

I think we should be thinking about recruitment as an ‘evolution’, rather than a ‘rebuild’. If we do go up next year, I see us having a tough time maybe even being sucked into a relegation battle. I’d say we have more chance by adding a few players of higher quality than we already have in certain positions, instead of having a rebuild and having 8 or 9 new starters next season. The players seem to have gelled really well this season and apart from a number of players, who are no where near championship standard and potentially holding us back, I think we should look to improve out current squad.

[Oldben]

Average team age by club in championship:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/altersschnitt/wettbewerb/GB2

Average team age by club in League one:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-one/altersschnitt/wettbewerb/GB3

Derby county oldest average age of all teams in League one (if this is accurate), at 28. For me age is an issue when contrasted against championship teams average age.

https://theanalyst.com/eu/2023/08/championship-stats-2023-24-opta/

Good stats by team in the Championship. I think the players are younger and with better quality. Being younger less injury prone.

I think the teams are better at set pieces, if we don't have already, I recommend hiring a set pieces Specialist coach.

To compete in the Championship we will need to spend more money and not rely on older players and loans.

Championship wage bills: https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/championship-wage-bills-2023-24-leeds-leicester-southampton

Championship income & expenditure: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/GB2

I doubt we are going to compete with many of the championship clubs and yet where we've spent several years not utilising a transfer budget, if the club wants to try and compete and try and not get relegated, spending money in my opinion is essential.

I dont think our strategy of bringing in older players and loans will save us in the Championship.

[Dcfcsr92]

13 hours ago, sage said:

I would imagine Waghorn will be released and probably Smith.

Decisions to make on Tommo, Sibley, Wildsmith, Fozzy, Collins and Barkhuizen.

 

I think he will keep smith as a back up just for the fact of being able to play both cm/rb 

[simmoram1995]

I personally think collo sibley wildsmith will stay maybe smith and collo as back up but foz, Hourihane, waghorn and barks gone. 

[MadAmster]

Out of contract players:

Bird who's on his way to Bristol City

Sibley who I'd keep

Wildsmith who I'd keep and spend lots of time improving his distribution

JJ who probably won't be getting an new contract offer at Arsenal. IF we offer him one it should be a low basic wage increasing if he's fit to play, increase again if on the bench, again if he comes on, again if he starts. He's a very good player in the making. His injuries are the problem so a "stepped" contract seems a reasonable thing to offer.... provided there is going to be an offer.

Barks who I'd keep but as a squad player as opposed to a starting XI player

Ebou who I hope we cam prise from Cardiff for obvious reasons and a reasonable price.

Tommo who I'd keep

Gayle I'd let go as he didn't do well for Stoke in the SBC and is 34

Hourihane is off to coach at Villa. Thanks and good luck in the future

Smith I'd probably let go simply because of his age. Squad player? Possibly but I don't think PW will offer him a deal

Collo I'd let go as I don't see him being as "prolific" in the SBC

Fozzy IF he can prove his fitness possibly as cover, despite his age

Waggy thanks for your service but it's now time to go

Robinson I'd keep, he's one for the future

Loach does some coaching and, if fit, is an adequate 3rd keeper. If fit worth another year

OUT OF CONTRACT IN 2025 ARE

Nyambe I'd offer an extension, possibly 2 years

Nelson 1 year extension maybe 2

Fornah I'd cash in. Wouldn't be much but better than nothing. 

Bradley let his contract run down

Washington was injured when he arrived, has been that way for much of the season, 19 appearances. Contract run down or let go

Wilson give him an extension

 

[1of4]

17 hours ago, sage said:

I would imagine Waghorn will be released and probably Smith.

Decisions to make on Tommo, Sibley, Wildsmith, Fozzy, Collins and Barkhuizen.

 

If all these players were to leave, it would mean major changes to the core of our squad resulting in a serious and probably expensive foray into the transfer market. Meaning the club would have less of their transfer budget available to bring in the three or four players we will need to compete in the Championship.

I agree that Waghorn and possibly Barkhuizen will be gone, but unless Smith, Thompson, Sibley, Collins and Wildsmith ask to leave I think they will still be at  Derby next season. 

While the areas that will need strengthening are leftback, midfield and central striker, I'd be happy to see Washington, Elder and Fornah moved on and their wages used to help pay the wages of the better players that we will need.

As for Forsyth, I'd like him to be given another 12 month contract as I think he's still the best leftback we have on the books and will be good cover at both leftback and centre-back.

[ramit]

Quite a few I would prefer to keep, but that depends on their wage demands, Sibley, Wildsmith, Barkhuizen, Ebou, Robinson, and make every effort to keep Collins and Thompson, as we will need hard workers.

On the subject of betting, call me a sentimentalist, which I am, I would never bet against Derby County, no matter the odds.

[Gringo]

6 hours ago, Oldben said:

Average team age by club in championship:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/altersschnitt/wettbewerb/GB2

Average team age by club in League one:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-one/altersschnitt/wettbewerb/GB3

Derby county oldest average age of all teams in League one (if this is accurate), at 28. For me age is an issue when contrasted against championship teams average age.

https://theanalyst.com/eu/2023/08/championship-stats-2023-24-opta/

Good stats by team in the Championship. I think the players are younger and with better quality. Being younger less injury prone.

I think the teams are better at set pieces, if we don't have already, I recommend hiring a set pieces Specialist coach.

To compete in the Championship we will need to spend more money and not rely on older players and loans.

Championship wage bills: https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/championship-wage-bills-2023-24-leeds-leicester-southampton

Championship income & expenditure: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/GB2

I doubt we are going to compete with many of the championship clubs and yet where we've spent several years not utilising a transfer budget, if the club wants to try and compete and try and not get relegated, spending money in my opinion is essential.

I dont think our strategy of bringing in older players and loans will save us in the Championship.

Serious question, given that the club has to be financially self supporting, where do you expect the extra cash to come from?

 

[Simmo’s left foot]

17 minutes ago, Gringo said:

Serious question, given that the club has to be financially self supporting, where do you expect the extra cash to come from?

 

I Like that 🙂 

I imagine the team will evolve a little this summer, but I'm not expecting 8-9 players to arrive. I hope to see new contracts, extensions and some released as said above. If they can do one bit of business buying Adams has got to be a priority, plus a new young, and robust striker. I hope Warne is on the phone to Cardiff first thing next monday to discuss a deal for Adams.

I'd suggest we should try to get a new younger centre half if somebody comes available, planning for the future, and generally aim for a younger team. So Sibley, Thompson, Wilson, Wildsmith are all good investments for the future.

The club will have extra income of circa £10-12 million next season, but that will soon get used up, covering existing losses, and quite probably higher wages. I hope to see the club in a break even scenario next season, and only see sales when the price is right and it suits us.

Edited April 22 by Simmo’s left foot

[Oldben]

9 minutes ago, Gringo said:

Serious question, given that the club has to be financially self supporting, where do you expect the extra cash to come from?

 

https://theathletic.com/4957498/2023/10/16/epl-efl-explained-deal-english-football/

a club promoted from League 1 to the Championship would see a significant increase in their income:

Each Championship club receives £11.6m per season from the EFL's central distribution and Premier League solidarity payments.

In contrast, a mid-table League One team currently receives only £2.2m per season.

Under the proposed new deal, that same mid-table Championship club would receive £17.5m per season - an increase of £5.9m.

So on average, a League 1 club promoted to the Championship would see their income increase by around £5.9 million per season.

This is a substantial boost that can make a big difference for the financial health and competitiveness of the promoted club.

 

on average, the TV rights for Championship clubs are worth around £11.6 million per season. This is nearly 5 times more than the £2.2 million received by a typical League 1 club.

 

Additionally, Championship clubs get paid around four times as much for hosting TV games on Sky Sports. The facility fee is £100,000 for Friday night and Saturday games, £120,000 for a Sunday game, and £140,000 for a Thursday game in the Championship, compared to very rare televised fixtures for League One clubs.

 

 

[Simmo’s left foot]

2 minutes ago, Oldben said:

https://theathletic.com/4957498/2023/10/16/epl-efl-explained-deal-english-football/

a club promoted from League 1 to the Championship would see a significant increase in their income:

Each Championship club receives £11.6m per season from the EFL's central distribution and Premier League solidarity payments.

In contrast, a mid-table League One team currently receives only £2.2m per season.

Under the proposed new deal, that same mid-table Championship club would receive £17.5m per season - an increase of £5.9m.

So on average, a League 1 club promoted to the Championship would see their income increase by around £5.9 million per season.

This is a substantial boost that can make a big difference for the financial health and competitiveness of the promoted club.

 

on average, the TV rights for Championship clubs are worth around £11.6 million per season. This is nearly 5 times more than the £2.2 million received by a typical League 1 club.

 

Additionally, Championship clubs get paid around four times as much for hosting TV games on Sky Sports. The facility fee is £100,000 for Friday night and Saturday games, £120,000 for a Sunday game, and £140,000 for a Thursday game in the Championship, compared to very rare televised fixtures for League One clubs.

 

 

Half of that income increase will cover the existing loss, so don't expect a huge amount of activity. I expect 3-4 higher grade players arriving, a similarish number leaving and several new contracts for key young players. 

I hope that will give us a stable platform to aim for "middle third" of the championship.

[Oldben]

8 minutes ago, Simmo’s left foot said:

Half of that income increase will cover the existing loss, so don't expect a huge amount of activity. I expect 3-4 higher grade players arriving, a similarish number leaving and several new contracts for key young players. 

I hope that will give us a stable platform to aim for "middle third" of the championship.

Hm ... can't say I'd disagree with that ... it does most likely leave us in a relegation dog fight.

[CapeTownRams]

20 hours ago, sage said:

I would imagine Waghorn will be released and probably Smith.

Decisions to make on Tommo, Sibley, Wildsmith, Fozzy, Collins and Barkhuizen.

 

Think fozzy benefits from a one-year option in his favor…

[sage]

2 hours ago, 1of4 said:

If all these players were to leave, it would mean major changes to the core of our squad resulting in a serious and probably expensive foray into the transfer market. Meaning the club would have less of their transfer budget available to bring in the three or four players we will need to compete in the Championship.

I agree that Waghorn and possibly Barkhuizen will be gone, but unless Smith, Thompson, Sibley, Collins and Wildsmith ask to leave I think they will still be at  Derby next season. 

While the areas that will need strengthening are leftback, midfield and central striker, I'd be happy to see Washington, Elder and Fornah moved on and their wages used to help pay the wages of the better players that we will need.

As for Forsyth, I'd like him to be given another 12 month contract as I think he's still the best leftback we have on the books and will be good cover at both leftback and centre-back.

We need 8 starting players to be a mid table championship team.

Warne has pretty much said this.

[ram59]

7 hours ago, Oldben said:

 

I dont think our strategy of bringing in older players and loans will save us in the Championship.

Our strategy has entirely been driven by the business plan under which we have had to operate for the last 2 years. Whichever division we're in next season, this business plan will no longer exist.

We will now be in a position to actually pay transfer fees for the likes of Adams, who as a loan player would be just the kind of player who would save us in the championship as did Osman many years ago. With a small transfer pot, there are a number of good young players in lg1 who could make the step up, who we could sign for moderate fees. Regarding loanees, if we're in the championship, we will attract second year loanees from Premiership clubs, who wouldn't carry such a risk.