Is Warne living on borrowed time?

[Leeds Ram]

1 minute ago, Andicis said:

The February collapse under Mac was a side with much better players, in a better league position that also finished 7th (higher league sure). That's a bigger collapse by objective measures. 

that collapse was largely the result of an injury crisis that battered our squad tbf

[Andicis]

1 minute ago, Scott129 said:

I cannot believe you are spending what's left of your evening defending that performance.

We were unbelievably poor and created very little.

Waghorn got a good chance and Washington missed a sitter. Bradley and Cashin also had chances. 

[Leeds Ram]

4 minutes ago, Ambitious said:

That’s the one 

still get shivers thinking about that.... 

[Andicis]

Just now, Leeds Ram said:

that collapse was largely the result of an injury crisis that battered our squad tbf

Definitely factored in I agree. 

[Andicis]

2 minutes ago, Leeds Ram said:

You can't rely on set pieces to win games at a professional level. We lacked anything from open play, devoid of quality or dangerousness they looked utterly comfortable. 

Our open play chance creation was very poor. On a couple of occasions if the better ball had come across from Mendez-Laing as a result of a good burst came in we'd have been in.

[IlsonDerby]

5 minutes ago, Andicis said:

The February collapse under Mac was a side with much better players, in a better league position that also finished 7th (higher league sure). That's a bigger collapse by objective measures. 

In a league above. 
 

We literally brought in a league 1 promotion specialist and he spunked a decent lead in the play offs away. 
 

 

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

5 minutes ago, Andicis said:

First half was a couple. The chances created were from set pieces. Don't they count? 

It's a bit like tennis . If your only shot is an ace you'll beat a few non contenders but as soon as you play anyone that can move quickly with a strong return of serve you'll stand there looking totally clueless. 

[Leeds Ram]

3 minutes ago, Andicis said:

Our open play chance creation was very poor. On a couple of occasions if the better ball had come across from Mendez-Laing as a result of a good burst came in we'd have been in.

I think the poor decisions from Laing tonight were a result of 2 things. 1) He was being forced to come really deep very often and doing things he's not good at (like passing the ball more than 10 yards in the middle of the pitch) 2) the fact he and Collins were so isolated. At one point, he put a cross in, and the only person in the box was Collins, and no-one was within 30 yards of him. 

I'm not sure we conjured a shot on target from open play tonight. That makes our attacking threat from open play not just very poor but literally non-existent. It can't go on for too much longer, he needs to change it. 

Edited August 15, 2023 by Leeds Ram

[Andicis]

2 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said:

In a league above. 
 

We literally brought in a league 1 promotion specialist and he spunked a decent lead in the play offs away. 
 

 

Let's be honest though, the answer to the question was that it wasn't bigger than that February collapse under Mac irrespective of anything else.

[Andicis]

3 minutes ago, Leeds Ram said:

I think the poor decisions from Laing tonight were a result of 2 things. 1) He was being forced to come really deep very often and doing things he's not good at (like passing the ball more than 10 yards in the middle of the pitch) 2) the fact he and Collins were so isolated. At one point, he put a cross in, and the only person in the box was Collins, and no-one was within 30 yards of him. 

Sometimes I feel he rushes things more than is necessary and would benefit from just taking the time to lift his head and have a look up. He does well to get into the positions but the end ball is so often lacking and it was again. I personally wouldn't utilise him like Warne has been. He benefits from the space he gets out wide and is certainly not a striker. We'd be better off with Washington or Waghorn in that role I think.

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

2 minutes ago, Andicis said:

Let's be honest though, the answer to the question was that it wasn't bigger than that February collapse under Mac irrespective of anything else.

Comparing McClarens managerial skills and his ability to bring in good loans of high calibre to Warne is like comparing 3 ply made from the finest silk to Izal. 

[IlsonDerby]

5 minutes ago, Andicis said:

Let's be honest though, the answer to the question was that it wasn't bigger than that February collapse under Mac irrespective of anything else.

MAC lost Thorne and Martin didn’t he during that collapse. I can’t think of a single player in our current team that comes close to importance of those 2? For the others there was the instability of sackings and so on. 

[Andicis]

2 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said:

MAC lost Thorne and Martin didn’t he during that collapse. I can’t think of a single player in our current team that comes close to importance of those 2? For the others there was the instability of sackings and so on. 

No, he didn't have Thorne that entire season. He lost Martin, Bent and Ince were brought in mind as good quality options. Just objectively speaking we were in a far superior position. 

 

4 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Comparing McClarens managerial skills and his ability to bring in good loans of high calibre to Warne is like comparing 3 ply made from the finest silk to Izal. 

Not interested. 

[Leeds Ram]

9 minutes ago, Andicis said:

Sometimes I feel he rushes things more than is necessary and would benefit from just taking the time to lift his head and have a look up. He does well to get into the positions but the end ball is so often lacking and it was again. I personally wouldn't utilise him like Warne has been. He benefits from the space he gets out wide and is certainly not a striker. We'd be better off with Washington or Waghorn in that role I think.

Yeah, he's a winger through and through not a forward. I'd probably say if he continues with 2 up top (not sure i would) then it should be Washington and Waggy I think. I can see Washington being halfway useful if we actually play in a way that would utilise his strengths.

[duncanjwitham]

4 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said:

MAC lost Thorne and Martin didn’t he during that collapse. I can’t think of a single player in our current team that comes close to importance of those 2? For the others there was the instability of sackings and so on. 

We lost Martin, Bent, Mascarell and Eustace at the same time. The starter and direct cover for probably the 2 most important positions in the system we were using.

[IlsonDerby]

5 minutes ago, Andicis said:

No, he didn't have Thorne that entire season. He lost Martin, Bent and Ince were brought in mind as good quality options. Just objectively speaking we were in a far superior position. 

 

Not interested. 

But Bent despite being a goal scorer couldn’t offer the team what Martin could. He always said his CBs, DM and CF were the most important players. 

[sage]

23 minutes ago, Andicis said:

Waghorn got a good chance and Washington missed a sitter. Bradley and Cashin also had chances. 

Washington was offside anyway i think. 

We gave away 2 penalties the ref didn't spot and could have had Collins sent off and should have had Cashin sent off. 2-1 flattered us hugely and anyone who says otherwise is deluded or Paul Warne.

[IlsonDerby]

Think anyone not concerned after watching 50 games of Warne ball has levels of optimism that I could only dream of having. 
 

What have you seen in derby colours that makes you think he’ll be a success here? 
 

Honestly - sounds like a brilliant fella to have a beer with, maybe make the godfather of your kid if he’s a close mate but on the pitch where it matters, what have you seen? 

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

 

6 minutes ago, Andicis said:

No, he didn't have Thorne that entire season. He lost Martin, Bent and Ince were brought in mind as good quality options. Just objectively speaking we were in a far superior position. 

 

Not interested. 

I feel the same about Warne 

[Ram1988]