Anon Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 I remember many many years ago having similar discussions about what should and shouldn't be acceptable. I called out all opposition to the more progressive positions as "slippery slope fallacies", but decades later so many of those so-called fallacies have come to pass. How can I not re-evaluate my position? And now here we are, "just let the burlesque performer twerk in your child's face, bigot!" To be honest, I still believe these people have the right to expose their children to this, I just think they're shitty people who care more about being seen as progressive than what is right for their child. Crewton, cstand, Archied and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 There is nothing inherently sexual about drag queens. Drag queens should be allowed to do story time in school if the school thinks it is beneficial to the children and the drag queen wants to do it. However, some of the more, let's say, 'exotic' performances aren't particularly appropriate for school children. The videos I've seen on Twitter do include dancing which has a sexualised element to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, Anon said: To be honest, I still believe these people have the right to expose their children to this So do I. But I wouldn't have ever taken my kids to something like this - just my choice Despite the usual suspects trying to interpret what I say as something else, all I really care about is that it's not against the law, the performers are CRB checked and that it's the parents right to choose what they expose their kids to. Anything other than believing that, is just an attempt at controlling other people's lives. Which I think we all agreed in the past was not a good thing Archied 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 Just now, Leeds Ram said: There is nothing inherently sexual about drag queens I'd agree - but there is one poster on here who can't mention them without saying they look like prostitutes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 Just now, Stive Pesley said: I'd agree - but there is one poster on here who can't mention them without saying they look like prostitutes ? I mean, it depends on the drag act. I've been to a few drag shows, and it does vary quite widely. I hope schools would obviously be sensible in who they approach to perform, i.e., do their homework and make sure the performer is made aware of what is acceptable or not, if that's something they want to introduce as an activity to the school. Stive Pesley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: I'd agree - but there is one poster on here who can't mention them without saying they look like prostitutes ? You need to get a grip mate , the one poster you refer to in your childish accusations,( me obviously ) has stated he has no problem with drag acts in the appropriate setting , has said he found a drag queen who spoke on go news on the issue very sensitive and sensible and holds Paul ogrady in the utmost respect , a drag artist who used to work as a social worker and actually got into bother many years ago for getting in a fight with a particular parent who was treating a child badly, tip ,,, stop painting yourself into corners then throwing round baseless accusations about people you know nothing about as a smoke screen Edited March 6, 2023 by Archied cstand and Stive Pesley 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 10 hours ago, Leeds Ram said: I mean, it depends on the drag act. I've been to a few drag shows, and it does vary quite widely. I hope schools would obviously be sensible in who they approach to perform, i.e., do their homework and make sure the performer is made aware of what is acceptable or not, if that's something they want to introduce as an activity to the school. There should be no drag queens in school time my daughter from a very young age was terrified by anyone dressed up in any costumes including clowns, Easter bunnies, cartoon characters, mascots etc. As a family we could never attend theme parks, kids parties with anyone dressed in costume. Protecting children should be the the 1st priority and only priority. Stive Pesley and GboroRam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 On 06/03/2023 at 20:24, cstand said: Protecting children should be the the 1st priority and only priority I agree. As an example over 200 child asylum seekers have gone missing in the UK this year and no one seems bothered. Makes you sick doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: I agree. As an example over 200 child asylum seekers have gone missing in the UK this year and no one seems bothered. Makes you sick doesn't it? There are plenty of people bothered, that is why alot of people don't want to take more in when we can't control the ones already here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: I agree. As an example over 200 child asylum seekers have gone missing in the UK this year and no one seems bothered. Makes you sick doesn't it? Poor attempt at deflection trying to ignore the fact the priorities of schools should protecting children above anything else. Thanks for laughing at my daughters phobias when she was young but don’t worry she is over it now is 23years old luckily school was a safe space. I might ask for her opinion about drag queens in schools what do you think her reply will be? Edited March 9, 2023 by cstand Archied 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 On 06/03/2023 at 20:24, cstand said: There should be no drag queens in school time my daughter from a very young age was terrified by anyone dressed up in any costumes including clowns, Easter bunnies, cartoon characters, mascots etc. As a family we could never attend theme parks, kids parties with anyone dressed in costume. Protecting children should be the the 1st priority and only priority. She must have been petrified when we signed Claude Davis. sage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 hour ago, cstand said: Poor attempt at deflection trying to ignore the fact the priorities of schools should protecting children above anything else. Thanks for laughing at my daughters phobias when she was young but don’t worry she is over it now is 23years old luckily school was a safe space. I might ask for her opinion about drag queens in schools what do you think her reply will be? So she never got to see a pantomime? Or watch Mrs Brown's Boys? Actually, now I think about it, there are some positives... Eddie, cstand and Stive Pesley 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 On 06/03/2023 at 20:24, cstand said: There should be no drag queens in school time my daughter from a very young age was terrified by anyone dressed up in any costumes including clowns, Easter bunnies, cartoon characters, mascots etc. As a family we could never attend theme parks, kids parties with anyone dressed in costume. For the record - I wasn't laughing at your daughter's phobia, I was laughing at you firm assertation that because your daughter was terrified by "anyone in a costume" then there should be no drag queens in school. I know phobias are very real, and can be hard to manage - but to ban drag queens in all schools because 1 child has a phobia of costumes is surely a laughable thing? Apologies if you were being sarcastic and pretending to be a loony left cancel culture caricature ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 It's OK - we've now got a good definition of what "woke" actually means ? Crewton, Reggie Greenwood and Comrade 86 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 12 hours ago, Stive Pesley said: It's OK - we've now got a good definition of what "woke" actually means ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 15 hours ago, cstand said: Interesting article On the one hand she says Quote “They were in Manhattan, living in the freest country you can imagine, and they’re saying they’re oppressed? It doesn’t even compute, I was sold for $200 as a sex slave in the 21st century under the same sky. And they say they’re oppressed because people can’t follow their pronouns they invent every day?” “They need to make injustice out of thin air or a problem out of nowhere, because they haven’t experienced anything like what other people are facing in the world.” but then later in the article tries to say that being "woke" is somehow the equivalent of the horrific totalitarian NK regime So which is it? Being woke is nothing compared to living in NK or is the same?! almost like she doesn't know her arse from her elbow cstand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Stive Pesley said: Interesting article On the one hand she says but then later in the article tries to say that being "woke" is somehow the equivalent of the horrific totalitarian NK regime So which is it? Being woke is nothing compared to living in NK or is the same?! almost like she doesn't know her arse from her elbow Can you translate that for me into non woke so everyone can understand? Edited March 16, 2023 by cstand Stive Pesley and Archied 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 You'd need a heart of stone not to laugh etc, but Claire Fox (Baroness Fox of Buckley) has been de-platformed by the Students Union of Royal Holloway College, University of London, where she was due to give a talk about cancel culture and free speech. The laughs don't end there however, because former revolutionary-Marxist Claire has been cancelled, not because in the past she'd refused to condemn IRA terrorism, or because she was a Bosnian genocide denier, or even because she was a leading Brexit advocate, but because she merely re-tweeted a Ricky Gervais joke about Transwomen that was based on pointing out biological facts. So now it appears that, among our supposedly brightest young people, pointing out that it's now possible for some women to have penises is more offensive than being an apologist for child-murderers. Take me now Lord, take me now 😂 NottsRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 4 hours ago, Crewton said: but because she merely re-tweeted a Ricky Gervais joke about Transwomen that was based on pointing out biological facts. I think the word "joke" is doing some heavy lifting there, but go on. I'd have gone with "unfunny transphobic rant" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: I think the word "joke" is doing some heavy lifting there, but go on. I'd have gone with "unfunny transphobic rant" Humour is, of course, a matter of taste and opinion, but my post wasn't an invitation to get into that point specifically. It was that the Students Union booked Fox fully in the knowledge of her history and her politics, but decided that retweeting a 'joke' was intolerable whereas being an apologist for those who murdered of thousands of civilians was 'okey-dokey'. Stive Pesley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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