1of4 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 4 hours ago, i-Ram said: Class/wealth/political ideology. Call it what you want my friend, it’s the same old grenade throwing thread as all the other ones I’ve seen on here since George Thorne was the news. Ooh, hark at the innocent one. JoetheRam, Comrade 86, Stive Pesley and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Can I just check, then, that those people who are opposed to taxing those earning over £150k are happy that our train drivers can be on a mere £60-65k per year? I mean, it's not even a high pay rate. Nowhere near the top tax band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: That's the spirit! *and also coincidentally exactly what the super rich want the ordinary man to keep thinking... Nothing to do with the super rich it’s just a historical fact which for some bizarre reason people choose to ignore. Rich land owners in Zimbabwe had land redistributed to the poor now they are producing gold coins because their economy has collapsed due to hyper inflation. Be careful what you wish for because your dreams could become a nightmare. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/7/26/zimbabwe-launches-gold-coins-to-stem-inflation Edited October 4, 2022 by cstand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Can I just check, then, that those people who are opposed to taxing those earning over £150k are happy that our train drivers can be on a mere £60-65k per year? I mean, it's not even a high pay rate. Nowhere near the top tax band. £60 to £65 k seems a pretty good wage for sitting on your bum all day .. you don't even have to steer the train or anything. GboroRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: £60 to £65 k seems a pretty good wage for sitting on your bum all day .. you don't even have to steer the train or anything. I'll let you into a little secret - the people on more than £150k per year aren't lifting hods of bricks all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 21 minutes ago, GboroRam said: I'll let you into a little secret - the people on more than £150k per year aren't lifting hods of bricks all day long. I know a few of them.. City lawyers , bankers, they work long hours and have stressful jobs. i don't envy them tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: I know a few of them.. City lawyers , bankers, they work long hours and have stressful jobs. i don't envy them tbh. Can you please explain how allowing them to retain more of their salary/bonus is going to benefit someone on a low wage? Trickle-down economics was discredited 30 years ago, yet some deluded people still defend it. Reggie Greenwood, JoetheRam and Crewton 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 49 minutes ago, cstand said: Nothing to do with the super rich it’s just a historical fact which for some bizarre reason people choose to ignore. Rich land owners in Zimbabwe had land redistributed to the poor now they are producing gold coins because their economy has collapsed due to hyper inflation. Be careful what you wish for because your dreams could become a nightmare. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/7/26/zimbabwe-launches-gold-coins-to-stem-inflation Goodness me, you're right It's a good job we haven't done anything to address inequality in this country. The last thing we want is an unstable currency, rampant inflation, and a corrupt government that no one trusts, with a central bank having to take draconian measures to prop up the economy to prevent collapse ? ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: Goodness me, you're right It's a good job we haven't done anything to address inequality in this country. The last thing we want is an unstable currency, rampant inflation, and a corrupt government that no one trusts, with a central bank having to take draconian measures to prop up the economy to prevent collapse ? All fiat currencies eventually fail because people believe it will never fail and by the time the reality hits home nothing will stop the inevitable. Look how many people believe in MMT! Ok the video is about the USA but same applies here. Inflation is here to stay unless we take drastic action but this will never happen it will only get worse. Invest in gold whilst it still cheap. Edited October 4, 2022 by cstand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoetheRam Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 hours ago, PistoldPete said: £60 to £65 k seems a pretty good wage for sitting on your bum all day .. you don't even have to steer the train or anything. Don't have to steer a plane either but there's no calling pilots overpaid when in some cases they're responsible for less lives. Anyway my money saving tip is: Tinned sardines. Man they're so good and cost like 30p a can. Stick em on toast, rice, pasta... Excellent poor man's lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, JoetheRam said: Don't have to steer a plane either but there's no calling pilots overpaid when in some cases they're responsible for less lives. Anyway my money saving tip is: Tinned sardines. Man they're so good and cost like 30p a can. Stick em on toast, rice, pasta... Excellent poor man's lunch. Sardines are good for you too, although not so sure about the tinned variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 hours ago, PistoldPete said: I know a few of them.. City lawyers , bankers, they work long hours and have stressful jobs. i don't envy them tbh. You think train drivers work short hours in a stress free environment? Reggie Greenwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Eddie said: Can you please explain how allowing them to retain more of their salary/bonus is going to benefit someone on a low wage? Employ them to clean their homes after they've finished their other job ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Eddie said: Can you please explain how allowing them to retain more of their salary/bonus is going to benefit someone on a low wage? Trickle-down economics was discredited 30 years ago, yet some deluded people still defend it. I didn't mention trickle down economics that's a strawman argument from you Eddie. I suggest you reread my posts, and you will see all I have said is having a higher marginal rate of tax is counterproductive as ultimately it doesn't capture any additional tax. You simply reduce the incentives for people to work, leading to lower growth in the economy... so you are getting a higher rate, but applied to a lower base figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: Sardines are good for you too, although not so sure about the tinned variety. Not for my Dad, While walking across the road, A lorry delivering Sardines knocked him down and killed him ? Stive Pesley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: Sardines are good for you too, although not so sure about the tinned variety. Wasn't there someone on the forum who gave himself metal poisoning from a sardine diet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, GboroRam said: You think train drivers work short hours in a stress free environment? They are working very short hours at the moment and even when not on strike they work shorter hours than I normally do and I am a lazy barsteward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: They are working very short hours at the moment and even when not on strike they work shorter hours than I normally do and I am a lazy barsteward. And can end up finishing work far from home. I find the cognitive dissonance hard to understand. If you get a good manual job, with a strong union defending your working conditions, people take exception to a good but not outrageous pay rate. If you become a spiv stock market speculator you can fill your boots and its just jealousy if anyone suggests that you pay a slightly raised tax on the pay you receive waay way above the usual person's income level. That's not "half your income" no matter what people say on this thread. Grumpy Git, Reggie Greenwood, Ram-Alf and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Just now, GboroRam said: And can end up finishing work far from home. I find the cognitive dissonance hard to understand. If you get a good manual job, with a strong union defending your working conditions, people take exception to a good but not outrageous pay rate. If you become a spiv stock market speculator you can fill your boots and its just jealousy if anyone suggests that you pay a slightly raised tax on the pay you receive waay way above the usual person's income level. That's not "half your income" no matter what people say on this thread. Train drivers also have to keep updated on rules and regs , complex exam to get the job. Have to know the routes like the back of their hands. If I recall correctly there was a train driver on the Popside forum who had someone commit suicide by jumping in front of his train. That must be horrendous ? worth every penny they are paid imho Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 25 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: Wasn't there someone on the forum who gave himself metal poisoning from a sardine diet? Stive Pesley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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