Need an owner and quick, a total reset and build for League One

[Yani P]

Or...

We are staying up say we are staying up..

[IslandExile]

3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

If.

But what good would throwing youngsters in to potentially be hammered game after game do for them?!

Please read my original post again....I didn't say "throw them in"....I suggested they each play more often, but not every game, to gain more match experience, alongside a mentor. For example Cashin playing alongside either Jagielka or Davies.

Where would there be any benefit for the future to continue playing a partnership of Jagielka and Davies?

[tinman]

Looking at the squad, who is a potential to be with us in league one. If we could offer contracts to all those who are out of contract this summer:

roos - yes

allsop - yes

Byrne - maybe.  2 relegations is never a good look for a buying club  

ebosele - doubtful

Jagielka - maybe if extended past January  

Davies - yes

forsyth - yes

buchanen - no

williams - yes

bird - no

knight - no

sibley - maybe

Shinnie - no

lawrence - no

morrison - no

jozwiak - no

bielik - maybe due to injuries  

CKR - no

Stretton - yes

Baldock - yes if extended pst january

hutchinson - yes

Stearman - yes

Watson - yes

 

 

 

[RoyMac5]

1 hour ago, IslandExile said:

Please read my original post again....I didn't say "throw them in"....I suggested they each play more often, but not every game, to gain more match experience, alongside a mentor. For example Cashin playing alongside either Jagielka or Davies.

Where would there be any benefit for the future to continue playing a partnership of Jagielka and Davies?

Still doesn't necessarily mean they'll gain the 'right' game experience. The future of Jags and Davies as we all know is limited, but if it means we lose less games then I vote for that. Nothing is better for the players and the club than winning games, or do you want another 'Jimmy Jewell type' scenario?

[IslandExile]

4 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Still doesn't necessarily mean they'll gain the 'right' game experience. The future of Jags and Davies as we all know is limited, but if it means we lose less games then I vote for that. Nothing is better for the players and the club than winning games, or do you want another 'Jimmy Jewell type' scenario?

Jewell tried to win games - and put us further in debt in the process - instead of preparing for the following season. You reinforce my point.

[RoyMac5]

12 minutes ago, IslandExile said:

Jewell tried to win games - and put us further in debt in the process - instead of preparing for the following season. You reinforce my point.

Nope. You're continuing to say the same thing ignoring other points being made.

[IslandExile]

19 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Nope. You're continuing to say the same thing ignoring other points being made.

What points are they? I've read your posts again and I think I've responded appropriately.

I get the impression you're just spoiling for a fight.

Edit: if you mean we should play the rest of the season out trying to win each game... Why can't we do that at the same time as blooding youngsters? It's not as though we're winning many games with the current "experienced" team, is it?

Edited November 10, 2021 by IslandExile

[Jimbo Ram]

7 minutes ago, IslandExile said:

What points are they? I've read your posts again and I think I've responded appropriately.

I get the impression you're just spoiling for a fight.

Edit: if you mean we should play the rest of the season out trying to win each game... Why can't we do that at the same time as blooding youngsters? It's not as though we're winning many games with the current "experienced" team, is it?

The point I was going to make, blood some of the youngsters along with some experienced players ?

[IslandExile]

2 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

The point I was going to make, blood some of the youngsters along with some experienced players ?

That's the point I made in my original post and, again, after my post had been misinterpreted.

[Jimbo Ram]

5 minutes ago, IslandExile said:

That's the point I made in my original post and, again, after my post had been misinterpreted.

Misinterpreted…..by whom ?

[RoyMac5]

On 03/11/2021 at 22:25, IslandExile said:

...So let's accept whatever points deductions the EFL want to throw at us, on condition that they're imposed this season. Then it's over and done with.

Assuming then that we're going down, let's start building for next season in League One.

That means blooding the youngsters that will still be with the club. Not playing each one in every game, not leaving out all the old pros. But giving each young'un experience alongside a mentor. For example Cashin playing with either Davies or Jagielka.

Assuming Bird, Knight and Bielik will go, playing Watson alongside Shinnie and Morrison. That kind of thing.

Rooney has been really dignified throughout these nightmare months but the jury is still out for him tactics wise. After the last couple of games, there are question marks against his motivational ability too. I wonder what Curtis was referring to regards the training sessions.

Bet there'd be lots of 'tactics questioning' if your plan was followed.

Play the best players. #endof

Edited November 10, 2021 by RoyMac5

[Jimbo Ram]

53 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Nope. You're continuing to say the same thing ignoring other points being made.

You talking to the mirror again Macca ?

[Yani P]

Are the rules still the same that the cap is 60% of club turnover can be spent on player wages..no limit on xfer fees paid?

Relegated clubs 

The rules apply to all clubs and there is no moratorium for clubs relegated from the Championship. However, Transitional Arrangements are in place whereby clubs are allowed to exclude the wage costs of all players that the club signed pre September of the relegation season, if they were signed on contracts in excess of 3 seasons.

Edited November 10, 2021 by Yani P

[Yani P]

Although I am certain the EFL will ensure they still tie our hands as much as they can with the business plan.. 

Edited November 10, 2021 by Yani P

[IslandExile]

18 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Bet there'd be lots of 'tactics questioning' if your plan was followed.

Play the best players. #endof

Back in the day, I'd've agreed with that philosophy. But, nowadays, teams including ours "rest" players, playing youngsters "for experience", in cup competitions and the like.

Given that a 21 point deduction would effectively condemn us to relegation (with this squad, no goalscorer etc), my suggestion would only be an extension of the play-youngsters-in-the-cup idea. 

And, unlike those cup sides, as I said before, I'd balance the number of youngsters with more experienced heads who could mentor them on the pitch.

As for questioning tactics if we did follow my suggestion, I'd say look at the other threads....a lot of folks are proposing the very same thing.

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

3 minutes ago, IslandExile said:

Back in the day, I'd've agreed with that philosophy. But, nowadays, teams including ours "rest" players, playing youngsters "for experience", in cup competitions and the like.

Given that a 21 point deduction would effectively condemn us to relegation (with this squad, no goalscorer etc), my suggestion would only be an extension of the play-youngsters-in-the-cup idea. 

And, unlike those cup sides, as I said before, I'd balance the number of youngsters with more experienced heads who could mentor them on the pitch.

As for questioning tactics if we did follow my suggestion, I'd say look at the other threads....a lot of folks are proposing the very same thing.

It won't do them any good to get beat every week in a struggling side though.  Better to bung them out to League 1 clubs doing ok and see who swims for next season .

If it is another 9, however, I propose we play the weakest side possible within the rules, whenever the opponents next match is against Gibsons morlocks, Bristols cellar dwellers or Barnsley who were having a good whinge at one point. Midweek games particularly.

[BondJovi]

16 minutes ago, IslandExile said:

Back in the day, I'd've agreed with that philosophy. But, nowadays, teams including ours "rest" players, playing youngsters "for experience", in cup competitions and the like.

Given that a 21 point deduction would effectively condemn us to relegation (with this squad, no goalscorer etc), my suggestion would only be an extension of the play-youngsters-in-the-cup idea. 

And, unlike those cup sides, as I said before, I'd balance the number of youngsters with more experienced heads who could mentor them on the pitch.

As for questioning tactics if we did follow my suggestion, I'd say look at the other threads....a lot of folks are proposing the very same thing.

If the points deduction are as suggested, it might well take the fight from some players. We have to balance preparing for next season whilst still remaining competitive. I can't see what we as a club would gain from continuing a Davies and Jagielka partnership each week. A mix of youth and experience, but give each youth a few games run before swapping out.

Allowing the youngsters a less pressured environment to get use to the pace and physicality is an ideal opportunity.

Far rather see them learn(hopefully) than see Lawrence make the usual wrong choice!

[Dan_Ram]

Ah well, at least when we are relegated we will finally get some of these parachute payments I've been hearing so much about. Should make bouncing back to the champ pretty easy.. ?

[CBRammette]

So where are we now with potential investors?  Mr Kirchner has publicly thrown his name in the ring. The Scottish brothers are out.  Few tweets over last couple of days suggest those (plural) interested were preceding assuming League 1 but is there anything more concrete on how many potential new owners, who they are and if any actual bids are in? Who has been seen at B&Q or Homebase? Perhaps we have to wait until the Admins meeting with fans groups on 23rd?
 

[JG400]

On 03/11/2021 at 22:25, IslandExile said:

I'm sure the wrist slashes are out in force tonight but it's been obvious for a while now.... We need a total reset.

First and foremost - let's stay in business. Number one priority - get a new owner and as soon as possible.

Points deductions.... The squad is so poor, we'd struggle to avoid relegation even without a points deduction. That could be offset slightly by Bielik's return and acquisitions of forwards in January but, by then, it may be too late anyway.

So let's accept whatever points deductions the EFL want to throw at us, on condition that they're imposed this season. Then it's over and done with.

Assuming then that we're going down, let's start building for next season in League One.

That means blooding the youngsters that will still be with the club. Not playing each one in every game, not leaving out all the old pros. But giving each young'un experience alongside a mentor. For example Cashin playing with either Davies or Jagielka.

Assuming Bird, Knight and Bielik will go, playing Watson alongside Shinnie and Morrison. That kind of thing.

Rooney has been really dignified throughout these nightmare months but the jury is still out for him tactics wise. After the last couple of games, there are question marks against his motivational ability too. I wonder what Curtis was referring to regards the training sessions.

But anyhow, Rooney is the magnet for investors and deserves "a go" with a clean slate.

So let's put the bad stuff behind us, and start building this club up again. Even if it means losing the current crop of good young players and starting in League One.

One thing for sure, the support is fantastic. The fans deserve a club going forward, not sinking further into the mire. Let's get the crap out of the way. Move on up. COYR ?

Can we buy anyone in January , I thought budget conditions say we cant