Ken Tram Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 52 minutes ago, Oldben said: In my opinion Rooney was taken on as manager as an opportunity to encourage potential buyers. If that's back fired, then that's not on Rooney as he's not a tried and tested manager, not that helps the club. I dont think Mel will sack Rooney, thats an extra cost to Mel. I'm guessing, Mel's only goal at present is to sell the club. I'm not sure why the club sale is taking so long, surely the way forward is bringing in a football club sales specialist firm get them to find a buyer. Don't know how long Mel would want to keep funding the players wages, assuming he stops doing so the efl have made it clear the club have a 3 point deduction for every month the wages are not paid. That would relegate the club, assuming say you had two months when the wages were not paid. Just because Rooney is a former England player and has a lot of football knowledge, doesn't mean he will ever be a great manager. Not that it would happen, but I really wish lampard was the manager again. What a very compelling post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted July 10, 2021 Author Share Posted July 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Oldben said: I'm not sure why the club sale is taking so long Simple. No one with any money wants to buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 56 minutes ago, IslandExile said: Simple. No one with any money wants to buy it. If it is linked to the whole Fanatics thing though, then those people do have money, and more of it than Mel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldben Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Derby COUNTY: Total market valuation of squad according to Transfermarkt: £43.65m. The Rams’ results for the year running from 1st July 2017 to 30th June 2018 report the club’s best-ever Championship turnover, in non-parachute payment years, of £29.6m, increasing by £600,000 compared to the previous year. Derby county match day income by year ... 2014: 6.1 million 2015: 7.9 million 2016: 8.3 million 2017: 8.7 million 2018: 9.1 million Derby county's commercial income ... 2013: 5.7 million 2014: 7.1 million 2015: 8.5 million 2016: 8.6 million 2017: 12.4 million 2018: 12.2 million When Derby were relegated from the premier league, they received a parachute payment of 29.1 million. Derby would need to get their operational costs under control, but i see that the profitability is something that should interest perspective owners of the club. In 2019/2020, Derby county had an average attendance at matches of 26850, which was the 4th largest. Promotion - Value of Winning the Championship play-off final and earning promotion to the Premier League is estimated at hundreds of millions of pounds. 2020, Deloitte suggests that victory in the play-off final could see an increase in revenue of between £135 million to £265 million, depending on whether a promoted team can avoid immediate relegation. Official figures for the 2018-19 season showed that broadcast revenue totalling £2.4 billion ($3bn) was distributed among the 20 clubs in the Premier League. Each club received £34.3m ($43.4m) in equal share payments, £43m ($54.4m) in international TV and £4.9m ($6.2m) in central commercial payments: a base line of roughly £82.5 million ($104.4m) per team, regardless of position. Conclusion: While there is risk in any investment, I see value in owning the club. Other championship team owners have gambled on the success of their clubs, why should Derby be any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted July 10, 2021 Author Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Coconut said: If it is linked to the whole Fanatics thing though, then those people do have money, and more of it than Mel? Agreed. But as you say that's a big IF. My impression though is that it's wishful thinking rather than any substantiated link. I think folks have pointed out that Fanatics are used by other clubs. Edited July 10, 2021 by IslandExile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Billy Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 On 07/07/2021 at 07:34, jimbo jones said: If Bielik comes back and can stay fit we might be alright, if we can also find someone who can score goals.... If he comes back and stays even remotely fit he will be sold in January.... Unless we have new owners in the next week or two of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Oldben said: Derby COUNTY: Total market valuation of squad according to Transfermarkt: £43.65m. The Rams’ results for the year running from 1st July 2017 to 30th June 2018 report the club’s best-ever Championship turnover, in non-parachute payment years, of £29.6m, increasing by £600,000 compared to the previous year. Derby county match day income by year ... 2014: 6.1 million 2015: 7.9 million 2016: 8.3 million 2017: 8.7 million 2018: 9.1 million Derby county's commercial income ... 2013: 5.7 million 2014: 7.1 million 2015: 8.5 million 2016: 8.6 million 2017: 12.4 million 2018: 12.2 million When Derby were relegated from the premier league, they received a parachute payment of 29.1 million. Derby would need to get their operational costs under control, but i see that the profitability is something that should interest perspective owners of the club. In 2019/2020, Derby county had an average attendance at matches of 26850, which was the 4th largest. Promotion - Value of Winning the Championship play-off final and earning promotion to the Premier League is estimated at hundreds of millions of pounds. 2020, Deloitte suggests that victory in the play-off final could see an increase in revenue of between £135 million to £265 million, depending on whether a promoted team can avoid immediate relegation. Official figures for the 2018-19 season showed that broadcast revenue totalling £2.4 billion ($3bn) was distributed among the 20 clubs in the Premier League. Each club received £34.3m ($43.4m) in equal share payments, £43m ($54.4m) in international TV and £4.9m ($6.2m) in central commercial payments: a base line of roughly £82.5 million ($104.4m) per team, regardless of position. Conclusion: While there is risk in any investment, I see value in owning the club. Other championship team owners have gambled on the success of their clubs, why should Derby be any different. The whole club is a busted flush at the moment, we're far more likely to be relegated than be promoted as things stand for next season. The vicious circle we are stuck in seems to be an inverse square rule - the longer time ticks on with no new owner coming in means the likelihood of that new owner coming in decreases accordingly. As a poor analogy surely Mel must realise that if the club were a house he's trying to sell then either he has to accept that he's going to get rock bottom money for it or he has to wait and spend money getting it into some presentable, saleable condition? Either way he needs to accept that he doesn't get anywhere near what he wants for it or spends his money making it a semi attractive proposition. Dean (hick) Saunders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Or maybe the new owners aren’t on Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo jones Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 5 hours ago, Sport Billy said: If he comes back and stays even remotely fit he will be sold in January.... Unless we have new owners in the next week or two of course Depends when he returns from the injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Unless a fit Bielik returns and plays at least 50% of this season's games for us then any light at the end of our tunnel emanates from an oncoming locomotive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Well, aren't you a gloomy lot, however did your kin build an empire i wonder. The season hasn't even half started, but by the sound of many of you, it's over already. Pull your knickers up and support the club that you love and stop this incessant fatalistic moaning. We are in a dire situation, true, but that's when we need belief and determination from top to bottom and yeah, in case you're wondering, you're the bottom. RoyMac5, Ken Tram, Ghost of Clough and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tram Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 7 hours ago, Tyler Durden said: The whole club is a busted flush at the moment, we're far more likely to be relegated than be promoted as things stand for next season. The vicious circle we are stuck in seems to be an inverse square rule - the longer time ticks on with no new owner coming in means the likelihood of that new owner coming in decreases accordingly. As a poor analogy surely Mel must realise that if the club were a house he's trying to sell then either he has to accept that he's going to get rock bottom money for it or he has to wait and spend money getting it into some presentable, saleable condition? Either way he needs to accept that he doesn't get anywhere near what he wants for it or spends his money making it a semi attractive proposition. It's value is what someone is willing to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tram Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 51 minutes ago, ramit said: ... in case you're wondering, you're the bottom. No I'm not! ? It's time to be more positive and show more belief! ? 54 minutes ago, ramit said: Well, aren't you a gloomy lot, however did your kin build an empire i wonder. ? Maybe, the Empire was built by people who were so fed up, that they left the country to look for better places to live! ramit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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