Academy Thread 21/22

[Ravabeerbelly]

3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

 

True.

Whereas Hutch scored none and missed 5! ?

Just 5??? Did you pop out for tea?

[RoyMac5]

29 minutes ago, Ravabeerbelly said:

Just 5??? Did you pop out for tea?

I lost count tbh.

[Edinburgh ram]

JUST PLAY SIBLEY IN HIS NATURAL POSITION AND HE WILL DELIVER FOR US!!!!!! 

[Jram]

Connor Dixon looks so good in that combative midfield role. He’s definitely another capable of stepping up but we have such a glut of CMs 

Im sure his time will come 

[ramit]

9 hours ago, sage said:

He scored 3 and missed 10

He scored 3, how many he missed is of no concern IMO.  Would much rather have a player who is hungry for scoring and gets himself into a shooting position, than a coward in front of goal, looking to pass the risk to someone else.

Edited December 13, 2021 by ramit
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[ramit]

8 hours ago, Jram said:

Connor Dixon looks so good in that combative midfield role. He’s definitely another capable of stepping up but we have such a glut of CMs 

Im sure his time will come 

He really needs to get his chance, he has been a favorite of mine since he was in the u18, an all round midfielder and a battler.

[Ravabeerbelly]

Bottom line is, no matter how bad Norwich were or how bad some of the finishing was, between them Sibley and Hutchinson absolutely tore Norwich apart tonight in an attacking sense. 

Of course you cannot afford to be that wasteful of goalscoring chances in any proper game of football but also there is a case for saying sometimes when the opposition is that weak it leads to complacency and the more chances you get the more the maths simply add up to more misses….

If you score 1 in 3 chances then simple maths is 2 in 6, 3 in 9, 4 in 12……it’s still the same ratio…..in top games you just don’t get that many obviously and it may take 3 games to get 3 chances which is a goal every three games which for an attacking CM or winger is a good return….

[sage]

11 minutes ago, ramit said:

He scored 3, how many he missed is of no concern IMO.  Would much rather have a player who is hungry for scoring and gets himself into a shooting position, than a coward in front of goal, looking to pass the risk to someone else.

Did you watch the game? 

[ramit]

8 hours ago, sage said:

Did you watch the game? 

No, it is a general statement.  Was he terrible then?

[sage]

16 minutes ago, ramit said:

No, it is a general statement.  Was he terrible then?

Mixed bag. A lot of shooting when he should have passed. 

If Rooney was watching, he wouldn't be rushing to bring him back 

[Ghost of Clough]

8 hours ago, Ravabeerbelly said:

Bottom line is, no matter how bad Norwich were or how bad some of the finishing was, between them Sibley and Hutchinson absolutely tore Norwich apart tonight in an attacking sense. 

Of course you cannot afford to be that wasteful of goalscoring chances in any proper game of football but also there is a case for saying sometimes when the opposition is that weak it leads to complacency and the more chances you get the more the maths simply add up to more misses….

If you score 1 in 3 chances then simple maths is 2 in 6, 3 in 9, 4 in 12……it’s still the same ratio…..in top games you just don’t get that many obviously and it may take 3 games to get 3 chances which is a goal every three games which for an attacking CM or winger is a good return….

Ivan Toney only had a strike rate of 22% last season.

Sibley had a 23% strike rate last night if 3 goals from 13 shots is to be believed.

[Dimmu]

I could accept it if our attacker would miss chances as long as he gets to position to score some.

With our xG, it's a criminal not to use Sibley correctly.

[RoyMac5]

8 hours ago, sage said:

Mixed bag. A lot of shooting when he should have passed. 

If Rooney was watching, he wouldn't be rushing to bring him back 

Yes, neither of them (Sibs and Hutch) looked other than some fast play with the ball. Poor Hutch looked like he was desperate not to score. ? Norwich left enormous gaps at the back which were mainly exploited by the wide players - thought Grewal-Pollard put on a good show, as did McDonald to a different degree.

Norwich's goal-scorer looked interesting.

[RoyMac5]

1 minute ago, Dimmu said:

I could accept it if our attacker would miss chances as long as he gets to position to score some.

With our xG, it's a criminal not to use Sibley correctly.

He wouldn't get anything like the space nor opportunity he got last night in a real game. He was better than Hutch in his finishing though.

[Ravabeerbelly]

7 minutes ago, Dimmu said:

I could accept it if our attacker would miss chances as long as he gets to position to score some.

With our xG, it's a criminal not to use Sibley correctly.

The xG is also based on the type of chances created not just chances missed…if you don’t create clear cut chances or the quality of the chance is poor then the xG is low….what you had last night was a lot of space and poor defending to enable a lot of very good goal scoring chances to be created…..Sibley doesn’t actually create much for anyone else.

 

[Dimmu]

12 minutes ago, Ravabeerbelly said:

The xG is also based on the type of chances created not just chances missed…if you don’t create clear cut chances or the quality of the chance is poor then the xG is low….what you had last night was a lot of space and poor defending to enable a lot of very good goal scoring chances to be created…..Sibley doesn’t actually create much for anyone else.

 

Yeah I'm familiar with xG and worryingly I agree how Sibley looks more and more greedy and selfish. Not as bad as Lawrence yet, but unfortunately regressing.

[Ravabeerbelly]

22 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

He wouldn't get anything like the space nor opportunity he got last night in a real game. He was better than Hutch in his finishing though.

I agree non one would get the time or space and they definitely wouldn’t get the repeated opportunity!

As I said above (and GoC confirmed what I was saying) the ratio is normally seen at 1 in 3 as being a decent return. For an attacking midfielder you may only get one good chance a game which would pro rata as a goal every 3/4 games….which we’d all be happy with. If a game somehow (like last night) sees you get 6 or 9 efforts on goal and the return is then 2 or 3 goals the focus inevitably shifts to the 4 or 6 that are missed…

I felt for Hutch last night. His all round game was excellent and he was a far more creative threat than Sibley. The ball for Grewel-Pollard that resulted in Sibleys first was outstanding and probably took out 5 Norwich players. You could almost sense his frustration and he began to try too hard…if he’d still been out there now he still won’t have scored!! However there are small margins and he hit the bar with an effort similar to Sibs 3rd goal that’s mm away from top corner and the keeper somehow stopped one from point blank which goes in 99 times out of 100….

[angieram]

Only on dcfcfans would a young player scoring a hat trick for the under 23s be a call for a number of posters to pile in with criticism.

Some people really don't deserve nice things. 

[Crewton]

Good players analyse their own performance, and certainly listen to their coaches' assessment. A certain Brian Clough could be an extremely harsh judge, and was brilliant at both bigging players up and bringing them back down to earth. Hopefully, the youngsters are getting constructive criticism from within. What is said on here shouldn't even register with them. 

[RoyMac5]

16 minutes ago, angieram said:

Only on dcfcfans would a young player scoring a hat trick for the under 23s be a call for a number of posters to pile in with criticism.

Some people really don't deserve nice things. 

If he wants to play for the first team then of course there will be discussions on his weaknesses. He should have had a double hat-trick, so maybe a dustbin (but not Hutch ? ) could have scored three last night.

He had a good game and was also perhaps trying a bit too hard. #COYR