New Manager

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Leicester Ram said:

Winning games, did I miss something? Has he won a single game as Derby manager? I’m fed up of the lazy assumption that ‘old bar steward manager playing proper long ball English football = winning games’. Warnock flukes it occasionally but I don’t see him pulling up any trees at Boro.

This club has real assets in Bird, Sibley and Knight. All midfielders, the engine room of a side that we should build our team around. I don’t want them all on the injury report this time next year with neck ache from watching the ball fly over their heads.

We’ve finally started to rebuild for the first time since Clough and I don’t want to see us spurn that work taking a chance on a dinosaur like Allardyce. Do you really think he’s going to develop the players mentioned above? it would be such a humongous change in direction that I can’t justify because Allardyce, who was last promoted from this division in 2012 when it was a completely different league, would get “results”.

Allardyce would stink of the chop and change mentality that’s stopped us progressing from this division for so long.

If this means being bottom of the league we’re doing it wrong 

[DCFC27]

2 hours ago, Big Trav said:

A little birdie has told me that there has been talks with terry all very informal at this stage but they’re meeting this coming week. Terry is Mels top target. Call me tarry the ram 

This prompts me to think if the takeover is going through. Has it gone through now which is why we’ve ousted Cocu and looking for a new manager or has it fallen through and Mel is in control. 

[TomTom92]

4 minutes ago, Leicester Ram said:

Winning games, did I miss something? Has he won a single game as Derby manager? I’m fed up of the lazy assumption that ‘old bar steward manager playing proper long ball English football = winning games’. Warnock flukes it occasionally but I don’t see him pulling up any trees at Boro.

This club has real assets in Bird, Sibley and Knight. All midfielders, the engine room of a side that we should build our team around. I don’t want them all on the injury report this time next year with neck ache from watching the ball fly over their heads.

We’ve finally started to rebuild for the first time since Clough and I don’t want to see us spurn that work taking a chance on a dinosaur like Allardyce. Do you really think he’s going to develop the players mentioned above? it would be such a humongous change in direction that I can’t justify because Allardyce, who was last promoted from this division in 2012 when it was a completely different league, would get “results”.

Allardyce would stink of the chop and change mentality that’s stopped us progressing from this division for so long.

Warnock not pulling up trees? This is a Middlesbrough team that nearly went down because they trusted a young manager wanting to play the right way. Warnocks just won manager of the month and has them competing at the right end of the table. 
 
As for Allardyce, apart from Newcastle spell I can’t see where he’s done a bad job. I acknowledge that some fans have a preferred style of playing which he doesn’t abide to. But personally I couldn’t care less if we’re winning matches. 
 
I’m also not bothered about out academy and developing players. Whilst I acknowledge that producing our own players would be beneficial I’d like to gamble that big Sam would improve the performance levels of some of the players in this squad, academy graduates or not. 
 
I respect anyone that doesn’t want him because he doesn’t fit their bill. But if anyone wants to say he’d be a bad appointment I’m afraid I must disagree. He’d get us up the table which is all I want right now. 
 
We should not be in a relegation battle with Wycombe, Coventry, Rotherham and Barnsley in the league. 
 
 

[brady1993]

1 minute ago, Monty said:

If this means being bottom of the league we’re doing it wrong 

We are bottom for reasons that aren't purely current squad personal.....

In fact I'd argue that it's clear that in a lot of games this season have been razor fine margins and if we could get an extra 5-10% out of our underperforming players the story would be different.

[Jram]

1 minute ago, TomTom92 said:

Warnock not pulling up trees? This is a Middlesbrough team that nearly went down because they trusted a young manager wanting to play the right way. Warnocks just won manager of the month and has them competing at the right end of the table. 
 
As for Allardyce, apart from Newcastle spell I can’t see where he’s done a bad job. I acknowledge that some fans have a preferred style of playing which he doesn’t abide to. But personally I couldn’t care less if we’re winning matches. 
 
I’m also not bothered about out academy and developing players. Whilst I acknowledge that producing our own players would be beneficial I’d like to gamble that big Sam would improve the performance levels of some of the players in this squad, academy graduates or not. 
 
I respect anyone that doesn’t want him because he doesn’t fit their bill. But if anyone wants to say he’d be a bad appointment I’m afraid I must disagree. He’d get us up the table which is all I want right now. 
 
We should not be in a relegation battle with Wycombe, Coventry, Rotherham and Barnsley in the league. 
 
 

I can’t get on board with the “results over everything” attitude 

I’d rather be a sustainable club that produces youth and stays in the championship with a nice ethos than go up using journeymen on big money while producing zero youth only to lose every week when we do go up 

[Mostyn6]

5 minutes ago, Leicester Ram said:

Winning games, did I miss something? Has he won a single game as Derby manager? I’m fed up of the lazy assumption that ‘old bar steward manager playing proper long ball English football = winning games’. Warnock flukes it occasionally but I don’t see him pulling up any trees at Boro.

This club has real assets in Bird, Sibley and Knight. All midfielders, the engine room of a side that we should build our team around. I don’t want them all on the injury report this time next year with neck ache from watching the ball fly over their heads.

We’ve finally started to rebuild for the first time since Clough and I don’t want to see us spurn that work taking a chance on a dinosaur like Allardyce. Do you really think he’s going to develop the players mentioned above? it would be such a humongous change in direction that I can’t justify because Allardyce, who was last promoted from this division in 2012 when it was a completely different league, would get “results”.

Allardyce would stink of the chop and change mentality that’s stopped us progressing from this division for so long.

sorry, I mean totally sorry, you've triggered me here. What an absolute load of empty nonsense. I have to challenge and attack what I see is a stupid post. I hope you are writing this to be provocative, in which case Bravo!

Ignorant to suggest Allardyce plays long ball football, I can only assume you refuse to wathc teams he manages!

Moronic to throw shade at Warnock, Middlesbrough were relegation battle last season (like us this) and they are now 12 points ahead of us in 7th place, 4 off top! Cardiff a couple of seasons before. Rotherham saved a season or two before that! Many promotions and KNOWLEDGE and ABILITY to get teams out of trouble and into the PL.

Assets in Bird, Sibley and Knight? AND? Allardyce had Kevin Nolan in many of his teams, involved in the game all the time. To suggest neck ache is pure foolish baalocks! Stop being a drama queen.

Rebuild? RUbbish again. Everyone thinks we need to buy more players to replace the ones we currently have who aren't competitive enough. You must have some warped sense of reality if you think building a team of youngsters is of any benefit without them winning games. If we are languishing through underachievement, they will want to move on anyway, so we gain nothing. Pointless nonsense with no real benefit. You mention 2012 has a different league? really? how so? although it was only a year before Clough was sacked, yet you want to emulate that? Weird.

As for chop and change, I agree with some of this. But we need a new manager so change is neccesary.

[Dambuster]

54 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said:

Ignorant snobbery. People said similar about Jim Smith. 

Back to using your favourite word I see. (Ignorant).

[IslandExile]

3 minutes ago, TomTom92 said:

I’m also not bothered about out academy and developing players.

Clearly.

[Rampage]

43 minutes ago, falconram said:

The new owners are going to want a high profile  name, I like Paul Cook but I can't see it, Steven Gerrard to throw into the mix

Gerrard will go straight to a Premietship team

[DCFC27]

11 minutes ago, Leicester Ram said:

Winning games, did I miss something? Has he won a single game as Derby manager? I’m fed up of the lazy assumption that ‘old bar steward manager playing proper long ball English football = winning games’. Warnock flukes it occasionally but I don’t see him pulling up any trees at Boro.

This club has real assets in Bird, Sibley and Knight. All midfielders, the engine room of a side that we should build our team around. I don’t want them all on the injury report this time next year with neck ache from watching the ball fly over their heads.

We’ve finally started to rebuild for the first time since Clough and I don’t want to see us spurn that work taking a chance on a dinosaur like Allardyce. Do you really think he’s going to develop the players mentioned above? it would be such a humongous change in direction that I can’t justify because Allardyce, who was last promoted from this division in 2012 when it was a completely different league, would get “results”.

Allardyce would stink of the chop and change mentality that’s stopped us progressing from this division for so long.

What a melon. 
We are currently bottom of the championship with 1 win in 11 games, our worst start since the premier league season. 
if Derby are offered big Sam, you have to take him this is his specialism, getting teams out of trouble, and he does it better than anyone else in the business. But no you’d rather give it some one that might give the kids more of a go and play more passing football. Give me strength. The kids will play, they have to we don’t have anyone else but Big Sam will have us winning enough games to get us up the table. If he does then we can review it in May. But don’t be a melon and pick the next manager on the kids and style of play being the crucial point. It’s not it’s survival. 

[Mostyn6]

just to add, Allardyce has been sacked a few times, same as Cocu just has, so it's unfair to criticise him for not developing players if he's not been allowed to see it through.

[Mostyn6]

2 minutes ago, Reg Matthew's Cap said:

Back to using your favourite word I see. (Ignorant).

wouldn't say it's my favourite. My favourite word is Giblet.

[Rampage]

Just now, Mostyn6 said:

just to add, Allardyce has been sacked a few times, same as Cocu just has, so it's unfair to criticise him for not developing players if he's not been allowed to see it through.

Bookies list of candidates please.

[Rampage]

2 minutes ago, DCFC27 said:

What a melon. 
We are currently bottom of the championship with 1 win in 11 games, our worst start since the premier league season. 
if Derby are offered big Sam, you have to take him this is his specialism, getting teams out of trouble, and he does it better than anyone else in the business. But no you’d rather give it some one that might give the kids more of a go and play more passing football. Give me strength. The kids will play, they have to we don’t have anyone else but Big Sam will have us winning enough games to get us up the table. If he does then we can review it in May. But don’t be a melon and pick the next manager on the kids and style of play being the crucial point. It’s not it’s survival. 

Sam on one year rolling contract perhaps 

[Guest]

Just now, brady1993 said:

We are bottom for reasons that aren't purely current squad personal.....

In fact I'd argue that it's clear that in a lot of games this season have been razor fine margins and if we could get an extra 5-10% out of our underperforming players the story would be different.

I agree and this is down to management and whoever is appointed. Having been a supporter in the old 3rd division days in the early eighties we definitely do not want to be back there and the inexorable slide towards it must be arrested. (having said that the game when we secured promotion to Div 2 on 9th May 1986 was one of the most exciting nights at the Baseball Ground!) ?

[DCFC27]

Just now, Rampage said:

Sam on one year rolling contract perhaps 

I don't think he’d want longer anyway, I think he’d just want a nice bonus for keeping us up and he’ll have another 6 months off 

[Mostyn6]

6 minutes ago, Rampage said:

Bookies list of candidates please.

[GenBr]

30 minutes ago, YouRams said:

Sean Dyche anyone? Must be royally ****** off with the lack of financial backing he’s getting at Burnley, one step back to take two forward? 

Basically one year where he hasn't been backed financially and it is this season in the middle of a pandemic with a takeover imminent. In the last 5 years he has spent £150 million on players. The two biggest transfer fees we've ever received were both from Burnley. Maybe you could argue that is small change compared to the big boys, but that is massive for a club like Burnley.

He won't come to a team at the bottom of the Championship where he also won't have any financial backing - makes no sense. Doesn't matter how rich our new owners are - they still can't spend it even if they wanted to.

[ramsbottom]

Ideally I’d like someone who plays half way between Cocu’s possession at all cost approach and Rowettball get it forward as soon as possible. We need to get in behind defences again. 
 

Anybody but Rooney, shoehorning him into the line up the last couple of weeks undid some good performances.

At least with Shef Weds going for safety first with Pulis, Paul Cook is still available. But will he be the big statement signing the new regime (pun intended) will surely want to make?? 
 

 

[Rampage]

Just now, Mostyn6 said:

Thanks Mostyn6.

Choices 1-4 are okay with me. John Terry especially unless short term appointment.