Inverurie Ram Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 21 minutes ago, IslandExile said: Home draw Wycombe Home draw Coventry Chorus: "Rooney out, Rooney out" Away win Millwall Away draw Brentford Chorus: "Rooney in, Rooney in" Home draw Stoke Chorus: "Rooney out, Rooney out" ... Talk about fickle. Home draw Swansea. Talk about a statistical fickle pickle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Jourdan said: I think there is still some doubt over whether Rooney deserves the job permanently. While you could argue that Rooney is being hamstrung by what transpired during Cocu’s reign, I think you would expect most managers - interim or otherwise - to see games like Wycombe and Coventry at home and Rotherham away as the games to make an impression. Failure to win in any of those key games will overshadow the overall improvements in making us more solid and harder to beat. Being unbeaten is nice but it doesn’t count for much if the teams around us start winning. Say Forest or Wednesday win in midweek and say Rotherham beat us on Saturday, suddenly Rooney’s short time in charge takes on a completely different feel. ...all future hypotheticals. Hard to justify an argument on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ellafella said: In what way? Things seem to have stabilised and improved... 1 win in 7 and 3 goals in that time in my opinion isn’t the required improvement. If this was anyone else we would be quite correctly concerned..... We are still someone in temporary charge. We do need an answer sharpish on what and will be permanent. Let’s make the decision sooner rather than later because we are still limping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just now, Mafiabob said: 1 win in 7 and 3 goals in that time in my opinion isn’t the required improvement. If this was anyone else we would be quite correctly concerned..... We are still someone in temporary charge. We do need an answer sharpish on what and will be permanent. Let’s make the decision sooner rather than later because we are still limping Cup half full or half empty? I think the cup is filling up...we had some very promising attacks today against a solid side who’ve conceded few goals and who were 8th pre-match. Much improved which your stats don’t illustrate. I’d say we’re on an upward trajectory and very close to clicking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingpin Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, Ellafella said: In what way? Things seem to have stabilised and improved... If the bar is set at ‘not being humped vs boro style’ then yes it’s an improvement. But not exactly aiming for the stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ellafella said: Cup half full or half empty? I think the cup is filling up...we had some very promising attacks today against a solid side who’ve conceded few goals and who were 8th pre-match. Much improved which your stats don’t illustrate. I’d say we’re on an upward trajectory and very close to clicking. I think a lot of fans have set a very low bar for Rooney that wouldn’t be afforded for any other person in charge. Defensively, granted - but scoring goals win us games..... we are not doing that. As for Stoke, lot of players out.... and we are pretty much, apart from Davies at full strength.... think that concerns me more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kingpin said: If the bar is set at ‘not being humped vs boro style’ then yes it’s an improvement. But not exactly aiming for the stars. Who would you put up front to aim at the stars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just now, RoyMac5 said: Who would you put up front to aim at the stars? Wassall and/or Bowyer - until end of the season. If it’s to do with financials. The only two who’ve previously managed at this level (seeing as Mac is a “technical director”) We might get a little stability and more out the players..... also they’ll know them both already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mafiabob said: but scoring goals win us games..... we are not doing that. Whoever is manager.... Until January - at least, possibly longer if the takeover doesn't happen - it's the same squad. And that squad is woefully short up front. I'm not sure which manager could make us score more goals - we're playing reasonably well, just failing in the final third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mafiabob said: I think a lot of fans have set a very low bar for Rooney that wouldn’t be afforded for any other person in charge. Defensively, granted - but scoring goals win us games..... we are not doing that. As for Stoke, lot of players out.... and we are pretty much, apart from Davies at full strength.... think that concerns me more. Ok. But I disagree @Mafiabob. Has Chris Hughton had as much of an impact at F@rest?. We were unlucky not to score 3 today ...Kazim So unlucky. 2 Vg saves v Lawrence and Clarke. It’s coming. Would be silly to clear the decks now for yet another manager. And I’ll cancel my season ticket if it’s Allardyce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ellafella said: ...all future hypotheticals. Hard to justify an argument on. I think Rooney’s prospects are hanging in the balance and the Rotherham game will be the tipping point. Four points from six and back to back clean sheets away from home and a general improvement in our defensive structure and organisation are the obvious positives. But that is balanced out by failing to win in the three home games. Home games should be your bread and butter and the stars aligned for Rooney to shine. We were pitted against two struggling sides who at the time had some of the poorest away records in the division, and a Stoke side who were missing some important players. He has by no means disgraced himself but if you are giving a caretaker manager 6-7 games to make a claim for the job, he has to show some X factor. Has Rooney done that? Not yet, for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Jourdan said: He has by no means disgraced himself but if you are giving a caretaker manager 6-7 games to make a claim for the job, he has to show some X factor. Difficult to get a really good shine on a t**d, needs a transfer window at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingpin Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Who would you put up front to aim at the stars? I realise there’s very little choice. But that doesn’t make WR the right manager for Derby at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just now, Kingpin said: I realise there’s very little choice. But that doesn’t make WR the right manager for Derby at this time. He's got more out of this squad than an experienced manager - who had a transfer window - managed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jourdan said: I think Rooney’s prospects are hanging in the balance and the Rotherham game will be the tipping point. Four points from six and back to back clean sheets away from home and a general improvement in our defensive structure and organisation are the obvious positives. But that is balanced out by failing to win in the three home games. Home games should be your bread and butter and the stars aligned for Rooney to shine. We were pitted against two struggling sides who at the time had some of the poorest away records in the division, and a Stoke side who were missing some important players. He has by no means disgraced himself but if you are giving a caretaker manager 6-7 games to make a claim for the job, he has to show some X factor. Has Rooney done that? Not yet, for me. Arguement flawed by no home fans. Totally negates home advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, Ellafella said: Ok. But I disagree @Mafiabob. Has Chris Hughton had as much of an impact at F@rest?. We were unlucky not to score 3 today ...Kazim So unlucky. 2 Vg saves v Lawrence and Clarke. It’s coming. Would be silly to clear the decks now for yet another manager. And I’ll cancel my season ticket if it’s Allardyce. I’m not interested in Forest whatsoever, I care about what’s going on here - but if we are comparing impact, Boro were on their backsides when Warnock came in..... look where they are now. But he’s a “dinosaur” to some on here. Swings and roundabouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just now, Mafiabob said: I’m not interested in Forest whatsoever, I care about what’s going on here - but if we are comparing impact, Boro we’re on their backsides when Warnock came in..... look where they are now. But he’s a “dinosaur” to some on here. Swings and roundabouts. You can’t ignore the point that easily. Things take time. For me, there’s real progress. Cocu was 10x more “experienced” yet Rooney has been 10x better already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ellafella said: You can’t ignore the point that easily. Things take time. For me, there’s real progress. Cocu was 10x more “experienced” yet Rooney has been 10x better already. We will agree to disagree on him being better. Plus I didn't ignore the point easily, I have given another comparison..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Mafiabob said: We will agree to disagree on him being better. Plus I didn't ignore the point easily, I have given another comparison..... Are we signing Warnock then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Mafiabob said: We will agree to disagree on him being better. Plus I didn't ignore the point easily, I have given another comparison..... Cocu had lots more time. If Wazza has another 3 weeks I think you’ll see the error of your ways by then. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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