Comrade 86 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 7 hours ago, Sith Happens said: Maybe BrisVegas was right and knew better than most of us on this forum afterall. LOL, what, making that claim in the season where he nearly fired us into the Prem. Yeh, right! Bris was a visionary as his recent articles continue to prove. He's also admitted that he was simply trolling the forum with that and other posts anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustOneBiblicalKazim Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 hour ago, ilkleyram said: I thought he signed on a season long loan. If so he may well be heading back to Sheffield when he’s better unless all parties agree something different aka we get some money. Recall clause in January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustOneBiblicalKazim Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 When George Thorne gets consistently injured he’s horrendously unlucky, when it’s Marriott he doesn’t train properly and is a sicknote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkleyram Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 hour ago, JustOneChrissyMartin said: Recall clause in January If it’s that then we might not recall him. If it’s a send him back clause as @Roymac suggested then we might have to have him. On the face of it he doesn’t appear to be a Pulis type of player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 If he can find his mojo he could still be some player..he scared Leeds to death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastoEls Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 21 hours ago, Yani P said: If he can find his mojo he could still be some player..he scared Leeds to death Gave Aston Villa a scare too, albeit perhaps too late.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 23 hours ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: LOL, what, making that claim in the season where he nearly fired us into the Prem. Yeh, right! Bris was a visionary as his recent articles continue to prove. He's also admitted that he was simply trolling the forum with that and other posts anyway! also said Vyds was useless before he went on the rampage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Spanish said: also said Vyds was useless before he went on the rampage Didn’t he say Vydra was useless as a lone striker, to be fair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, cannable said: Didn’t he say Vydra was useless as a lone striker, to be fair? maybe but I recall Vyds missed a goal attempt (saved) and he analyzed it to death resulting in he would never score more than a couple a season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 I'd much rather have Marriott in the squad than Kazim. He'd be perfect in a team pressing from the front alongside Jozwiak and Lawrence. Ibe, Waghorn and Whittaker as backups. Winning the ball back higher up the pitch will favour him, with us seeing the player we thought we had under Lampard. A proper fitness regime in place should help with the injury troubles too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 51 minutes ago, Spanish said: maybe but I recall Vyds missed a goal attempt (saved) and he analyzed it to death resulting in he would never score more than a couple a season Wolves 3-2, Bent volley game I think it was more him trying to argue that a tap-in is a harder chance than having the ball stopped dead with half a net to aim at It’s been said before, but Bris was often right, he just never knew how to explain it without rubbing people up the wrong way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 I think Jack could still do a job but my patience has worn thin with him. Perhaps that's unfair with the constant injuries but it'd be grand to hear one manager saying, yep, that lad works his socks off in training. McCarthy, Lamps and Cocu have all implied otherwise and that grates a tad. Be a terrible shame were he just to drift into obscurity then realise when it's all too late that he's spaffed a natural talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said: I'd much rather have Marriott in the squad than Kazim. He'd be perfect in a team pressing from the front alongside Jozwiak and Lawrence. Ibe, Waghorn and Whittaker as backups. Winning the ball back higher up the pitch will favour him, with us seeing the player we thought we had under Lampard. A proper fitness regime in place should help with the injury troubles too. Honestly at this point Marriott is close to the bottom of the pile for me. To be honest I'm not sure I'd have CKR in the squad either, think JHI and/Or Stretton deserve to have a decent crack over either. With Marriott I'm just not convinced his value isn't inflated based on a hot streak under Lampard because outside of a 10 game streak he's looked largely ineffectual and frankly wasteful. I think that two managers now have started with him before being done with him speaks absolute volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 minute ago, brady1993 said: Honestly at this point Marriott is close to the bottom of the pile for me. To be honest I'm not sure I'd have CKR in the squad either, think JHI and/Or Stretton deserve to have a decent crack over either. With Marriott I'm just not convinced his value isn't inflated based on a hot streak under Lampard because outside of a 10 game streak he's looked largely ineffectual and frankly wasteful. I think that two managers now have started with him before being done with him speaks absolute volumes. Lampard's initial view was Waghorn short term, Marriott long term. He wasn't clinical, but he managed to get shots away at such a rate that he was almost a 1-in-2 sort of forward. Lampard stated he needed to work on his fitness, meaning staying fit and lasting full games. Lampard hoped his alround game would develop a bit over time. Cosu's style of sitting back didn't suit Marriott at all. Cocu's style means the CF has to be involved in the build up play and a result is a crowded penalty area by the time we've got that far up the field. Marriott completed the full 90 twice this season (in the cup and first game of the season when we had a depleted squad) and 3 times last season. It's no surprise his purple patch under Lampard coincided with him staying fit. His first start in the league yielded is first goal. Over the next 17 games he scored 9 goals and assisted 4, completing the game on 11 occasions. He only completed the game on 4 other occasions. Get him fit, keep him free from injury, rebuild his fitness, and the goals will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Get him fit, keep him free from injury, rebuild his fitness, and How long (if ever) will that take? He's out for 6-7 weeks already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: How long (if ever) will that take? He's out for 6-7 weeks already. Probably not until he's had a proper pre-season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Probably not until he's had a proper pre-season He's got 24 years to get fit enough for a full season of walking football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 16:45, Ghost of Clough said: Lampard's initial view was Waghorn short term, Marriott long term. He wasn't clinical, but he managed to get shots away at such a rate that he was almost a 1-in-2 sort of forward. Lampard stated he needed to work on his fitness, meaning staying fit and lasting full games. Lampard hoped his alround game would develop a bit over time. Cosu's style of sitting back didn't suit Marriott at all. Cocu's style means the CF has to be involved in the build up play and a result is a crowded penalty area by the time we've got that far up the field. Marriott completed the full 90 twice this season (in the cup and first game of the season when we had a depleted squad) and 3 times last season. It's no surprise his purple patch under Lampard coincided with him staying fit. His first start in the league yielded is first goal. Over the next 17 games he scored 9 goals and assisted 4, completing the game on 11 occasions. He only completed the game on 4 other occasions. Get him fit, keep him free from injury, rebuild his fitness, and the goals will come. I get where you are coming but I'm far far from sold. Thing is looking back in that streak of form the whole team was on fire and we were naming very attacking teams with both Mount and Wilson in midfield. The other thing is we had Waghorn acting as a pseudo target man on the right wing. There was a lot going in Mariott's favour in that regard. And the thing is hes looked completely toothless outside of that even when played in set ups that should better suit him (I'm thinking of the handful of times last season he started with Martin upfront or Waghorn). There just seems to be too many ifs with him and I'm not convinced he's really done enough to suggest he's worth persevering with. I hope I'm wrong mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 26 minutes ago, brady1993 said: I get where you are coming but I'm far far from sold. Thing is looking back in that streak of form the whole team was on fire and we were naming very attacking teams with both Mount and Wilson in midfield. The other thing is we had Waghorn acting as a pseudo target man on the right wing. There was a lot going in Mariott's favour in that regard. And the thing is hes looked completely toothless outside of that even when played in set ups that should better suit him (I'm thinking of the handful of times last season he started with Martin upfront or Waghorn). There just seems to be too many ifs with him and I'm not convinced he's really done enough to suggest he's worth persevering with. I hope I'm wrong mind. Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part considering he's one of the few players we'll have under contract beyond this season with a value (currently) next to his name. 6 months to get some form from him so we can cash in in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part considering he's one of the few players we'll have under contract beyond this season with a value (currently) next to his name. 6 months to get some form from him so we can cash in in the summer. I get it. But is it worth persevering with him over giving someone like Stretton, Duncan or JHI a serious shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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