Rampage Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: It could be an exciting ride. Mel clearly has a grand vision, the plaza, expansions to Pride Park etc, it just looks as though he has reasons he needs to sell and he is passing the baton to someone with the wealth to put his visions in place. Obviously we need promotion, but if we did ever achieve it, it wouldnt surprise me to see a stadium expansion, new stadium name etc. I base this on nothing of course. I agree, just because I like the idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, Barney1991 said: Stadium name spot on this is where surely they could they get wriggle room on spending on players. Sponsor the stadium for 20 million and call it the bin Zayed group stadium. Sponsor ship for shirts 32 red gone and a dubai based sponsorship. Can think of two reasons why we should not call the Stadium by that name but The Khaled bin Zayed Stadium or The Zayed Stadium or The Khaled bin Zayed Pride Park Stadium would be fine. Latter being my first choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Not sure any sponsorship of the stadium would see it's way into DCFC's coffers? Surely that would go to the stadium owner, not the tenants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwram1973 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said: Not sure any sponsorship of the stadium would see it's way into DCFC's coffers? Surely that would go to the stadium owner, not the tenants? Depends whether they have bought the stadium too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 The Bin Zayed Group are an investment company with a specialism in construction so I would expect they would be interested in the infrastructure around the club, as well as the club itself. One of their most notable investments is within the Indian city of Telangana: https://www.news18.com/news/business/dubai-based-bin-zayed-group-to-invest-2-billion-in-telangana-1563183.html. I don't know much about India, nevermind Telangana, but it's an extremely large city (population over 35m) and they're investing in the infrastructure to largely get a return on their investment. Instead of Telangana, see Derby County, we're going to be a relatively large investment for them and they will look to turn us into a profitable business which I imagine will include the club's infrastructure. My best hope is that we're going to be run sensibly, by people who are interested in generating money. The only way you generate money in football is by being successful, creating excitement and consistently making right decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, mwram1973 said: Depends whether they have bought the stadium too. If they bought the stadium from Mel as an outsider he could gift the money to the club. Not saying he should or would, but its one way round FFP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Yep. https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12853990/officers One other interesting point about that data was that according to some reports quoted on this thread, the deal has been bubbling away for months, yet this par (assuming they were introducing intermediaries) were only appointed in late september.... Nice blooming work being a director for a month just to scoop a nice pile of coin...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwram1973 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: If they bought the stadium from Mel as an outsider he could gift the money to the club. Not saying he should or would, but its one way round FFP. They could then give the club a massive sponorship deal like they did at man city. Etihad airlines was losing money but spent millions on deals to man city. Plenty of loopholes if you plan to stick 2 fingers up to the efl ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ambitious said: The Bin Zayed Group are an investment company with a specialism in construction so I would expect they would be interested in the infrastructure around the club, as well as the club itself. One of their most notable investments is within the Indian city of Telangana: https://www.news18.com/news/business/dubai-based-bin-zayed-group-to-invest-2-billion-in-telangana-1563183.html. I don't know much about India, nevermind Telangana, but it's an extremely large city (population over 35m) and they're investing in the infrastructure to largely get a return on their investment. Instead of Telangana, see Derby County, we're going to be a relatively large investment for them and they will look to turn us into a profitable business which I imagine will include the club's infrastructure. My best hope is that we're going to be run sensibly, by people who are interested in generating money. The only way you generate money in football is by being successful, creating excitement and consistently making right decisions. This then starts to smell like other similar schemes that ultimately failed - for example the Thais who bought Reading had an idea to develop the surrounding land for residential flats but couldn't get planning permission and hence withdrew and the club stagnated. Little more than property speculation and using their cash pile to convert through rents to future income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: One other interesting point about that data was that according to some reports quoted on this thread, the deal has been bubbling away for months, yet this par (assuming they were introducing intermediaries) were only appointed in late september.... Nice blooming work being a director for a month just to scoop a nice pile of coin...... Not really, the company was only incorporated in Sep 2020 presumably once the deal had reached "finalisation" stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, mwram1973 said: Depends whether they have bought the stadium too. Good point. I guess that would be on a separate invoice (as it's not currently part of "The club"), but hopefully still ends up being owned (again) by DCFC? ... Or would BZG own the stadium, and rent it to DCFC, as now? Ooh...Ooh... Just realised... I almost have a Rams related reg plate, after coveting one for decades... **18 ZGB! #allanagramsmatter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: This then starts to smell like other similar schemes that ultimately failed - for example the Thais who bought Reading had an idea to develop the surrounding land for residential flats but couldn't get planning permission and hence withdrew and the club stagnated. Little more than property speculation and using their cash pile to convert through rents to future income. In fairness, I wish we were stagnating as bad as Reading at the moment. Although, I agree their running of the club has been far from ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 28 minutes ago, Ambitious said: Thought that was Mel at first glance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said: Good point. I guess that would be on a separate invoice (as it's not currently part of "The club"), but hopefully still ends up being owned (again) by DCFC? ... Or would BZG own the stadium, and rent it to DCFC, as now? Ooh...Ooh... Just realised... I almost have a Rams related reg plate, after coveting one for decades... **18 ZGB! #allanagramsmatter MSD Holdings have a charge against the stadium as security for a loan. Mel couldn't sell the club without either repaying that loan or getting MDS's permission. I don't think they would give permission for the club and the stadium to be owned separately. By far the most likely outcome is Mel selling the stadium and the club together. The academy, the catering company, the company developing a new roof for the stadium and the outreach company are also separate companies, Theoretically they could be retained by Mel - although they all have charges against them to MSD as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 If they’ve left now could mean it’s done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Guess If that’s it for Mel that’ll be the end of the planning he had for the plaza? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Topram said: Guess If that’s it for Mel that’ll be the end of the planning he had for the plaza? I thought that the Plaza was Gadsby's baby. If I remember correctly GSE looked into it but decided the economic climate wasn't right. When Mel took over he revisited it because the planning permission was about to expire and decided that it wasn't a very good scheme anyway and binned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, CornwallRam said: I thought that the Plaza was Gadsby's baby. If I remember correctly GSE looked into it but decided the economic climate wasn't right. When Mel took over he revisited it because the planning permission was about to expire and decided that it wasn't a very good scheme anyway and binned it. My bad thought I hadn’t heard anything about it for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, CornwallRam said: I thought that the Plaza was Gadsby's baby. If I remember correctly GSE looked into it but decided the economic climate wasn't right. When Mel took over he revisited it because the planning permission was about to expire and decided that it wasn't a very good scheme anyway and binned it. He probably means the East Stand development. https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/business/latest-news-extension-plans-Derby-2618165 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoxallRam Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Penelope Pendrex said: Among other tweets stating Mel hasn't sold the club, Mel has already sold the club, Mel has sold half the club, Mel has sold and then quickly re-bought the club and Mel doesn't actually exist. I follow him and haven’t seen any of that? Do you have screenshots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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