Derby v Reading Player Ratings

[Srg]

9 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

So IF Cocu had wanted us to play that way, neither Sibley, nor Lawrence, nor Waghorn, nor Knight, nor Holmes, would have had any pace?

What? That doesn’t make sense. 
 

5 minutes ago, Carnero said:

Be careful what you wish for!

He would be far better without fans getting on his back to be fair. Teammates clearly rate him - remember one of those videos where he was named a few times as being quick, skilful etc. 

I think he will probably just go with Knight who has enough pace but just isn’t really a wide player - makes it work with his effort though. Be nice if Whittaker came in and did something, who’s another who would benefit without fans there. 

[RoyMac5]

Just now, Srg said:

What? That doesn’t make sense.

You seem to say we have no players who can play at pace - we're not gonna go Snake so what do you mean?

JoFlo yeah he's the answer! What's the question?

[Srg]

Just now, RoyMac5 said:

You seem to say we have no players who can play at pace - we're not gonna go Snake so what do you mean?

JoFlo yeah he's the answer! What's the question?

I didn’t say none, I just said we lack it. And we do, and it’s even more prevalent with some of the combinations we can put out there. Some of those you named are not “quick”, they’re just not slow either. 

Waghorn isn’t fast, he’s not running past anyone - let alone with the ball at his feet. Knight has ok pace without being quick, again without the ball at his feet. 

I feel I’m just trying to explain to you that your mancrush is many things and slow is one of them, and we can’t play with him and Rooney up front. 

[RoyMac5]

8 minutes ago, Srg said:

...and we can’t play with him and Rooney up front. 

We don't very much. You seem obsessed with his 'lack of pace', however did we score so many great goals when Mac1 was here? The lack of pace stems from not moving the ball around quickly and/or having no-one running with the ball at pace.

[Srg]

1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said:

We don't very much. You seem obsessed with his 'lack of pace', however did we score so many great goals when Mac1 was here? The lack of pace stems from not moving the ball around quickly and/or having no-one running with the ball at pace.

Because we had Ward and Russell on the wings, both quicker than any midfielder/striker starting today. 

[RoyMac5]

1 minute ago, Srg said:

Because we had Ward and Russell on the wings, both quicker than any midfielder/striker starting today. 

Well we could have similar now, but Cocu chooses otherwise.

[Srg]

3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Well we could have similar now, but Cocu chooses otherwise.

Point is though, as a squad, we don’t have much. When we change it off the bench, there’s nothing.

Even Mac brought in Ibe, Ince, Lingard etc all a calibre of athlete better than what we have, going back to your previous point.

I agree that moving the ball quickly is required, and we certainly didn’t do that well enough at times today, but there was no ability to mix up the play due to the lack of pace. 

[ramsbottom]

Hamer 5 - Jesus wept that punch was bad, but make one or two decent stops

Bogle 6.5 - Bit more positive in his crossing thaN last week and better defensively

Clark 8 - Solid. Much better distribution

Wisdom 9 - His best game in a long, long time. Surging runs like Keogh, but without the panic that it could go horribly wrong

Forsyth 6 - Didn’t really do much wrong at either end the pitch, tired late on

Bird 8.5 - Just gets better with each game. Controlled things and kept the midfield under control even when Rooney went off

Rooney  7 - First game he’s been closely man marked, but used his experience to drag their man around the park and create the space for others. Perfect peno as usual.

Lawrence 7.5 - Funk the harsh sending off, deserves credit for his goal and his work rate

Sibley 6.5 - Quiet but should’ve had a penalty, and made a couple of good runs. Love how he’s able to control it in such tight spaces. Neat little lay off for the first goal as well

Waghorn 6 - Really quiet

Martin 6 - Admittedly didn’t see much of the ball in the final third, but didn’t do much with it when he did get it

Subs

Davis 6 - Headed when needed, kicked it when needed, level head needed.

Shinnie 6 - Booked with 5 minutes when coming on, yet Lawrence is the rash one... 

Holmes 6 - Did more in his cameo than he did last week. Helped stem the flow down the right, and really helped out Bogle

Knight 6 - Struggled to get hold of it, but worked hard closing down and putting a foot in

 

[Underground Ram]

1 hour ago, Millenniumram said:

Hamer 5 - It was easier to catch man! Shocking mistake, luckily it didn’t cost us the game.

Bogle 6 - Was dangerous in Readings final third, but half asleep defensively. Didn’t track his man well enough at all.

Wisdom 7 - Excellent in possession, especially bringing the ball out, but also clocked off defensively at times.

Clarke 7 - Absolute monster defensively, won so many challenges and was also composed in possession.

Forsyth 6 - Got himself into some nice bits of space going forward, but was roasted for pace defensively second half.

Rooney 7 - Showed his composure under pressure to score that absolutely vital pen, and largely controlled the game throughout.

Bird 7 - Passing absolutely spot on as usual, and also made a number of vital interceptions. Read the game really well. 

Waghorn 6 - Battled hard as usual, but didn’t get on the ball enough for me. Needed to make himself more of an option.

Sibley 7 - Worked very hard as usual and made some brilliant runs. Sadly he didn’t get on the ball as much as he would have liked as he was heavily marked, but he still got an assist to show for his efforts.

Lawrence 7 (8) - Was our best player over the 90 imo - stunning opening goal and worked extremely hard to keep possession, especially in the last 15 minutes. Sadly his idiocy after the final whistle gets him a point docked off his rating.

Martin 6 - Some lovely touches and bits of hold up play as always, but looked a bit rusty at times - gifted possession away too often.

Agree with these marks apart from Bogle At least a 7 and Martin  a 7. Others scoring Lawrence Too low, had a good game apart from the end. Need to see what happened again

[1967RAMS]

1 hour ago, Srg said:

Second half it cost us. Reading are quite a quick team from front to back and we had no hope. When we couldn’t play out, we couldn’t even hit channels because we couldn’t outrun them, and we couldn’t carry the ball forward either for the same reason. 

After goalkeeper, it’s our biggest need this summer. Whether it’s out wide, up front or in midfield. 

We had no hope??? They may have been faster than us but without a total clown in goal for us, they wouldn’t have scored. Or even looked likely to do so. Pace is useful but skill and nouse are much better. Just watch Mr Rooney 

[Millenniumram]

2 minutes ago, Underground Ram said:

Agree with these marks apart from Bogle At least a 7 and Martin  a 7. Others scoring Lawrence Too low, had a good game apart from the end. Need to see what happened again

To be fair I did have those at a 7 to start with, but changed them as I didn’t think they were as good as Bird/Wisdom. Agree on Lawrence, I think people judge him too harshly most games to be honest. The role he plays isn’t easy.

[europia]

4 hours ago, Andicis said:

Hamer 4 - lost us the momentum with a bad error. Luckily it didn't cost us. 

 

Wish that were the case. Goal difference may be critical come the final reckoning. 

[twinthe_12]

Hamer:  5. Not good enough. Could have cost us the 3 points. Ross better - but we need a new keeper as soon as possible.

Bogle: 5. Didn't show enough quality. Poor defencely ' ones again he didn't show he got the quality to stay as right back- maybe a chance as rigjt wing instead. Lowe did a lot better when he played in that position.

Forsyth: 5. Too slow all game - a lot off crosses came from readinfg on his side. We should try .

Wisdom: 7 Did all right - better than against Millwall for sure.

Clarke: 7.5 Did quite good - better than vs Millwall.

Rooney: 7. Not good enough - we expect better. As the most of the Derby players too slow build-up.

Bird: 7 Okay - should have got the ball instead off Sibley - he would have scored.

Martin: 6. Too slow - we don t need him anymore. Not a goal threat all game.

Lawrence: 7. Good game - a lot off running a nd a wonderfully goal.

Pity that he got the red card. We'll miss badly the next 3 games.

Knight: 6.5 Little time to show his qualities. Should go in from start next game instead of Lawrence.

Davies. 7.We need him playing from start. Get Wisdom on right wing and Lowe in instead of Forsyth on left.

Shinnie: 6. Difficult game to show much.

Holmes:6. Difficult game to show much.

 

 

[Srg]

6 minutes ago, 1967RAMS said:

We had no hope??? They may have been faster than us but without a total clown in goal for us, they wouldn’t have scored. Or even looked likely to do so. Pace is useful but skill and nouse are much better. Just watch Mr Rooney 

Think you’ve misunderstood. No hope of mounting any decent attacks or creating chances - not winning the game. 

[Andicis]

1 minute ago, twinthe_12 said:

Rooney: 7. Not good enough - we expect better. As the most of the Derby players too slow build-up.

Not good enough yet gets the same as Lawrence who had a good game... bit confused by your numbers.

[RoyMac5]

5 minutes ago, twinthe_12 said:

Hamer:  5. Not good enough. Could have cost us the 3 points. Ross better - but we need a new keeper as soon as possible.

Bogle: 5. Didn't show enough quality. Poor defencely ' ones again he didn't show he got the quality to stay as right back- maybe a chance as rigjt wing instead. Lowe did a lot better when he played in that position.

Forsyth: 5. Too slow all game - a lot off crosses came from readinfg on his side. We should try .

Wisdom: 7 Did all right - better than against Millwall for sure.

Clarke: 7.5 Did quite good - better than vs Millwall.

Rooney: 7. Not good enough - we expect better. As the most of the Derby players too slow build-up.

Bird: 7 Okay - should have got the ball instead off Sibley - he would have scored.

Martin: 6. Too slow - we don t need him anymore. Not a goal threat all game.

Lawrence: 7. Good game - a lot off running a nd a wonderfully goal.

Pity that he got the red card. We'll miss badly the next 3 games.

Knight: 6.5 Little time to show his qualities. Should go in from start next game instead of Lawrence.

Davies. 7.We need him playing from start. Get Wisdom on right wing and Lowe in instead of Forsyth on left.

Shinnie: 6. Difficult game to show much.

Holmes:6. Difficult game to show much.

Lol.

Martin wasn't a threat - ball to Sibley in the box.

Waghorn not mentioned - wins penalty.

[jono]

5 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Lol.

Martin wasn't a threat - ball to Sibley in the box.

Waghorn not mentioned - wins penalty.

Martin didn’t really threaten but boy oh boy he is a canny lad. He won free kicks and disrupted Readings flow all game. He wouldn’t always be my first choice but he is a remarkable foil and has great awareness of what’s going on 

[Rev]

I thought Bogle was at least a seven today, he's improving at the defensive side of the game at a fair lick.

 

[IslandExile]

3 hours ago, Jram said:

I was wanting wisdom to run at space like a certain ex-captain was so good at to create space for midfielders

As he did for the first goal. Wisdom brought it forward, almost to the edge of the area, before playing it into Sibley to lay it off for Lawrence.

[RoyMac5]

15 minutes ago, IslandExile said:

As he did for the first goal. Wisdom brought it forward, almost to the edge of the area, before playing it into Martin to find Sibley to lay it off for Lawrence.

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