G STAR RAM Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 12 hours ago, GboroRam said: Do you remember anyone saying don't have the diligence to make sure it works? Look at the amounts wasted, and tell me feeding children is an equivalent waste? The two are linked in no way, shape, or form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 19 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: The two are linked in no way, shape, or form. Ah. So it's not because we can't afford it (because we've wasted money). It's because we want to do the right thing, and leave children hungry even though we could afford to feed them? Presumably as a punishment for the parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Ah. So it's not because we can't afford it (because we've wasted money). It's because we want to do the right thing, and leave children hungry even though we could afford to feed them? Presumably as a punishment for the parents. Right I can see you struggle to understand easy points but I will try and break them down even further to give you some help. I dont think we should be handing out money to refugees before sorting out our own problems (these are not limited to child poverty). I dont want to see any child go hungry. I dont think free school meals is the correct way of tackling this problem. I know you will now twist this to make me look like a racist child killer but I really don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Right I can see you struggle to understand easy points but I will try and break them down even further to give you some help. I dont think we should be handing out money to refugees before sorting out our own problems (these are not limited to child poverty). I dont want to see any child go hungry. I dont think free school meals is the correct way of tackling this problem. I know you will now twist this to make me look like a racist child killer but I really don't care. So what problems need sorting before child poverty, or at least feeding children? Would not wasting tons of money have helped? Would you rather see money go to companies to pay for ineffective PPE, or feeding children? How would you suggest children be fed other than a voucher scheme for school meals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 21 minutes ago, GboroRam said: So what problems need sorting before child poverty, or at least feeding children? Would not wasting tons of money have helped? Would you rather see money go to companies to pay for ineffective PPE, or feeding children? How would you suggest children be fed other than a voucher scheme for school meals? Yeah of course I'd rather money be spent on ineffective PPE than feeding children, I'm so transparent. I cant believe you want money spent on food rather than getting people off the streets. You must want them all to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: Yeah of course I'd rather money be spent on ineffective PPE than feeding children, I'm so transparent. I cant believe you want money spent on food rather than getting people off the streets. You must want them all to die. Seems a fairly straightforward choice for me. Feed children or not. You seem to be desperately trying to defend not feeding hungry children, in some perverse drive to disagree with me. Oh well, I'm happy with my perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 hours ago, GboroRam said: So what problems need sorting before child poverty, or at least feeding children? Pay rises for the government and cash handouts to their most vociferous defenders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: Yeah of course I'd rather money be spent on ineffective PPE than feeding children, I'm so transparent. I cant believe you want money spent on food rather than getting people off the streets. You must want them all to die. Have the government voted for providing accommodation for all those that are presently living on the streets. I must have missed that. Did they hold that vote before or after the vote on feeding children? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 9 hours ago, GboroRam said: Seems a fairly straightforward choice for me. Feed children or not. You seem to be desperately trying to defend not feeding hungry children, in some perverse drive to disagree with me. Oh well, I'm happy with my perspective. So you dont want to help homeless people. Callous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 8 hours ago, 1of4 said: Have the government voted for providing accommodation for all those that are presently living on the streets. I must have missed that. Did they hold that vote before or after the vote on feeding children? No, neither did I say that had. Did the Government hold a vote with a binary choice of whether they want children to go hungry or not, because if they did I must have missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: So you dont want to help homeless people. Callous. I would help homeless people and I would feed hungry children. What a concept, doing all the things that makes us a humane society. Why don't you think we should feed hungry children again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, GboroRam said: I would help homeless people and I would feed hungry children. What a concept, doing all the things that makes us a humane society. Why don't you think we should feed hungry children again? I think we should feed hungry children. I dont think free school meals during the school holidays is the correct solution or tackles the underlying problems. Additional support was made available at the beginning of this pandemic so I dont understand why this has become a major issue all of a sudden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 35 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: I think we should feed hungry children. I dont think free school meals during the school holidays is the correct solution or tackles the underlying problems. Additional support was made available at the beginning of this pandemic so I dont understand why this has become a major issue all of a sudden. What would you suggest in order to fix the problem, if free school meals isn't the answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Blimey, can't believe we've got two threads secretly masquerading as the Politics thread now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 minute ago, GboroRam said: What would you suggest in order to fix the problem, if free school meals isn't the answer? I said earlier in the thread is based around a loaded question to beat the Government with and tbh I don't think I've changed my mind. Whilst we do need to reform the Welfare system and maybe think about where we spend our money I do feel that this campaign is becoming an issue that the Government can't win and will have to relent over for the sake of appearances. This despite benefit claimants already getting free school meals and receiving an extra £1000 bonus payment due to covid - money has been provided. If children are still going to school hungry, then we really need to question why this is the case. I also find it ironic that the person behind the campaign earns more in one week than the Prime Minister earns in a full year. Whilst it doesn't fall on footballers to fund free school meals I heard yesterday that if every PL footballer gave up just 1% of one weeks wages that would raise £70m - this campaign is about raising £20m. Furthermore, before we use this issue to beat the Tories with we should remember that this issue is a long standing problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, ThePrisoner said: Blimey, can't believe we've got two threads secretly masquerading as the Politics thread now! You'll have to blame Rashford for that. He started it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Rashford is paying 45% tax to be fair, why should he have to give more when it's clearly a government failure? Isn't that avoiding the real issue that this is a failure of government to effectively deliver relief for genuinely vulnerable children? I find right wing whataboutism so strange. They drive socialism for the super wealthy without question and I never see right wingers call it out, when poor people are maligned under cut throat capitalism it's their personal failings. Mental state of affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, maxjam said: If children are still going to school hungry, then we really need to question why this is the case. Absolutely, we should always question why one of the richest countries in the world has hunger and poverty at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteHorseRam Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, ThePrisoner said: Blimey, can't believe we've got two threads secretly masquerading as the Politics thread now! “Life will find a way.” ― Michael Crichton, Jurassic Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said: Absolutely, we should always question why one of the richest countries in the world has hunger and poverty at all. And homelessness too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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